Death penalty sought against 2 men in AK-47 killings

Aug 6, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Cleveland.com

Two 22-year-old men indicted on aggravated murder charges today could face the death penalty if found guilty of killing of two men near Imperial Avenue .

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mapleman

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#2
Aug 6, 2010
 
Ak-47 over a fight? I see the hood is still the hood. If you win a fight you really don't win because they will come back and shoot you.

I remember when watching Halloween how Dr. Loomis would talk about the rampaging killer Michael Myers and how he had evil in his eyes. In their mugshot, these to just have evil in their eyes.

This is why I want rampant birth control and abortion in the ghettos. Enough is enough of bringing babies into these environments and having Uncle Sam be daddy. This has been going on for 40 years now.

And the media talks about "no snitching" like people have a choice down there. These people have friends that are just as vicious. Your going to come with your little 9mm when these folks have street sweepers, AR's and AK's. As we see, there is a difference between a robbery and when people want you dead. Not much you can do when people just want you dead.
xxxrayted

Beachwood, OH

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Aug 7, 2010
 
People die nearly everyday overseas in wars for freedom. Why not do it here? It's not what you shoot, it's how you shoot that counts. If you shoot 50 rounds at me with an AK-47 and not one hits, and I return fire with one round with my .38 and make contact. I win.

For decades, the Democrats would promote the poor having more children. The more children you have, the larger the HUD house, the more food stamps, and the more welfare you get. First you have to put a halt to that before you can continue to step 2.

I have always said that if you apply for public assistance and have no medical or psychological problems, and children are involved, you should not receive one penny until you are fixed. And that goes for the male of the child as well. The problem we have is too many do-gooders and those that will scream racism, so the politicians don't have the guts to propose anything like that.
mapleman

Cleveland, OH

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Aug 7, 2010
 
When will the attack come? In the hood it is well known, if somebody really wants you dead there is little you can do about it but get out of dodge. They will blast you in broad daylight. They will run up in your house five deep. They will kidnap your kids. They will rape your woman.

This is why even the hardest person will go visit relatives out of town if somebody really wants them dead.

I agree with the democrats and the public assistance, but the republicans and their anti-abortion crap doesn't help anything either. Though they haven't been able to outlaw it, they have made the practice seem barbaric. Frankly if there were more abortions in the inner city it would be a good thing, not a bad one.

I agree with the mandatory birth control if you are on public assistance. People often say I advocate eugenics, but I don't. I just want personal responsibility.

xxxrayted

Beachwood, OH

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Aug 8, 2010
 
The Republicans had total control of both houses and the White House for years during the Bush Presidency. The only thing they did with abortion was to outlaw late term abortion which affects few people Remember that there is this fallacy going around that the Republican party is the party of rich white people, so they need to get support from other entities such as the religious crowd. In other words, all bark--no bite.

But the real problem is that we have no deterrent to crime. I forget who the last guy was that we fried in Ohio, but he was in prison for 18 years. If it were up to me, he would be there 18 days and I would bring back the electric chair.

So when somebody loses their cool, they go out and kill their adversary. In Ohio, you don't get the death penalty unless the murder was in the commission of another crime. If it's gang related and they get a juvenile to commit the crime, they are likely to get out in a couple of years.

In the middle-east, the last thing people there worry about is theft because it rarely happens there. Why? Because if you get caught stealing a pencil, off with your hand. Steal again, off with your other hand. There is no third time.

A strong enough deterrent works every time.
mapleman

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Aug 8, 2010
 
They are tough in the middle-east and in Russia, yet toughness works in one of the places and not the other.

You mention juveniles. The United States is one of the toughest countries when it comes to juvenile justice.

Since 1990, the United States is one of only nine countries that has executed somebody that was a juvenile at the time they committed a crime

The United States has been the only nation in the world that sentences juveniles to life in prison without the possibility of release for crimes other than murder, Justice Anthony Kennedy said in the court's majority opinion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64G4592...
xxxrayted

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Aug 8, 2010
 
Thanks for the link, but I agree with justice Thomas. I believe the Constitution got another black eye once again. In my opinion, this violates Equal Protection Under The Law as well.

But getting back to point, our criminal system is no deterrent to crime, and that's why we have so much crime, and as you pointed out, these criminals will kill you in broad daylight without a second thought. That's because the second thought is not there.
mapleman

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Aug 8, 2010
 
But in our debate on decriminalization of drugs you point out cultural differences as to why decriminalization works in Portugal and not here. Could your theory also hold true for tougher punishments for other crimes?

I mean in one instance you bring in the middle-east and in another you say what works in Portugal can't work here, which one is it?
xxxrayted

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Aug 8, 2010
 
I didn't say it can't work here. I said it's unlikely to work here. The problem we have in America is that we have so much red tape. I would be willing to try and legalize drugs provided government safety nets are out of bounds. But as I said, that will never happen since we can't control our safety nets with people who don't use narcotics. They would become wards of the state, and that means I have to pay for them to sit home and get high every night. And by the time decades go by where we realize our failure, it would cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars.

You have to realize that the prime candidates to vote Democrat are those who are government dependent. That's why they've always promoted food stamps, welfare, HUD, and now healthcare. The more government dependent people, the more Democrat votes.

So we not only allow people to get high, but it expands as it is no longer illegal. Now you have a new political base to pander to. And the Democrats will try and succeed in extending safety nets to drug addicts who can no longer work. It's the same thing that happened with welfare. They created a new voting base, and pandered to that base.

The thing is, I would be willing to try decriminalization of narcotics. But nobody on the left would ever dream of running prisons my way because they know my way would work. Any murder outside of manslaughter is punishable by death 2 months after conviction--all appeals exhausted. Theft is solitary confinement for two months. All amenities stripped out of prison. You would see how fast the murder rates and theft incidents would fall.
mapleman

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Aug 12, 2010
 
Well the Democrats have their idiot block of voters just like the Republicans have the bible belt. Most centers of higher education are liberal. It almost goes without saying the more educated you become the more liberal you will become on social issues.

Look at the tea baggers. Where were they when Ron Paul started the real tea party movement? They were nowhere to be found. They don't even have the real values of the real tea party movement. They are just Republicans trying act like they do.

A lot of Republicans don't even like Ron Paul because he constantly called Bush on his bullshat. That was the true tea party. The Bush fan boys have taken it over.

mike

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Aug 12, 2010
 
We should pick one state for everyone receiving any sort of government handouts (for more than say 2 years) and send them there. Like a big reservation! Al Sharpton and Kucinich act as governors. Pelosi can be the warden.
The worst thing that can happen to any community is having section 8 housing move in.
xxxrayted

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Aug 12, 2010
 
No, you are wrong. We don't like Ron Paul because he is not a Republican. He is a Libertarian. The Tea Party movement started because people now feel threatened with too much government thanks to this administration and the bailouts of the Bush administration. We now see ourselves in a hole that we may never be able to dig out of all because of the expansion and spending of the federal government.

Republicans are Constitutionalists--at least the conservative ones are. We believe in strict definition of the document and not a bunch of made up bull ship that the Democrats offer all the time. For crying out loud, now we have a judge telling us the founders of our country wanted gay people to marry.
mapleman

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Aug 12, 2010
 
Ron Paul started all this. He was the one that had the balls to speak out against Bush. He is the one that had the balls to speak out on the spending and the patriot act. Anybody that is now claiming to be a tea party member that wasn't calling for the head of Bush is a tea bagger, not a tea party member.

People cannot take over the man's movement.

“Uzi Does It”

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Aug 13, 2010
 
xxxrayted wrote:
But the real problem is that we have no deterrent to crime.
You meant to say that the weak cannot overcome the strong by being weak.
xxxrayted

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Aug 13, 2010
 
It's more than that Richard, it's allowing the weak to be leaders in our country.

You take a look at what's going on in New York. The "weak" are allowing the Muslims to build a Mosque right next to Ground Zero. How much more weakness can you show than that? To twist the knife even more, they are going to have opening day on the 10th anniversary of 911. The Mayor or the feds even refuse to look into how this multi-million project is going to be funded. For all we know, Osama Bin Laden could be funding part of this.

See..... in this case like so many others, the people are against the thought of it, but the leaders want to move forward anyway. You and I know that every terrorist in the world is laughing so hard at us right now that they can barely catch their breath.

And this is what goes on in our criminal justice system. It's a big joke to criminals.
xxxrayted

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Aug 13, 2010
 
mapleman wrote:
Ron Paul started all this. He was the one that had the balls to speak out against Bush. He is the one that had the balls to speak out on the spending and the patriot act. Anybody that is now claiming to be a tea party member that wasn't calling for the head of Bush is a tea bagger, not a tea party member.
People cannot take over the man's movement.
I think you missed out on a lot during that time because Bush took heavy criticism from everybody--not just Tea people or Democrats. Ron Paul was just one of them. In fact, at one point during the Bush administration, the RNC had to layoff most of their phone solicitors because we Republican voters refused to fund the party any longer based on Bush's weak stance on the southern border. His bailouts were not appreciated by most of his constituents either. Few made excuses for him.

As far as the Tea Party is concerned, there is no actual "membership." It's just a movement like the liberal movement is part of the Democrat party. And most conservatives look at Paul like a nut job that should retire already.

“Uzi Does It”

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Aug 13, 2010
 
xxxrayted wrote:
It's more than that Richard, it's allowing the weak to be leaders in our country.
You take a look at what's going on in New York. The "weak" are allowing the Muslims to build a Mosque right next to Ground Zero. How much more weakness can you show than that? To twist the knife even more, they are going to have opening day on the 10th anniversary of 911. The Mayor or the feds even refuse to look into how this multi-million project is going to be funded. For all we know, Osama Bin Laden could be funding part of this.
See..... in this case like so many others, the people are against the thought of it, but the leaders want to move forward anyway. You and I know that every terrorist in the world is laughing so hard at us right now that they can barely catch their breath.
And this is what goes on in our criminal justice system. It's a big joke to criminals.
Exactly, the first amendment should go and so should the second, fourth, fifth and fourteenth.

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