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FED UP

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VOTE NO RESIDENTS, This will cost an owner of a $100,000 home , (IF YOU CAN FIND ONE)an additional $300.00 PER YEAR, I say tighten up the budget , YOU KNOW THE WAY WE ALL HAVE, I cannot afford one more dime for GH
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GH school system is a joke, I know personally, I used to work there, there are so many folks who do nothing for a big part of their day, so much steeling of school property as well,I am sure you seen the articles. I say bring in the auditors, what ya got to hide, hmmmmm makes one wonder
leadersmygluts

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It's about time our paid civic leaders got off thier butts and started earning thier pay.Lets start by implementing a balanced city budget. Like an expierienced tree trimmer cut out the excess and dead wood so the rest can flourish.Prosecute anyone for stealing school supplies. Fire anyone for wasting school supplies.Quit paying top dollar for supplies and flush out the deals like the rest of us, pretend your spending your own money. When major strides have been made to illiminate theft in office,waste,and ineptness, then maybe we can start to talk of another levy. Until then keep your greedy hands out of my pockets.
mom of gfhsd

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Feb 9, 2011
 
FED UP wrote:
VOTE NO RESIDENTS, This will cost an owner of a $100,000 home ,(IF YOU CAN FIND ONE)an additional $300.00 PER YEAR, I say tighten up the budget , YOU KNOW THE WAY WE ALL HAVE, I cannot afford one more dime for GH
What about the children. This isn't for Garfield Hts roads, this is for the kids....you know they won't have buses. If parents can't take the children some will be walking and small children to school for over 2 miles away...Do you know that there won't be community sports on school property either...sad day. A good school district raises property values.
mom of gfhsd

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Feb 9, 2011
 
leadersmygluts wrote:
It's about time our paid civic leaders got off thier butts and started earning thier pay.Lets start by implementing a balanced city budget. Like an expierienced tree trimmer cut out the excess and dead wood so the rest can flourish.Prosecute anyone for stealing school supplies. Fire anyone for wasting school supplies.Quit paying top dollar for supplies and flush out the deals like the rest of us, pretend your spending your own money. When major strides have been made to illiminate theft in office,waste,and ineptness, then maybe we can start to talk of another levy. Until then keep your greedy hands out of my pockets.
Stealing is bad but it's not the kids fault. They already don't have text books in the Middle School....they have made tons of cuts...but now buses...wow. It's sad that property owners have to pay for schools in Ohio but that is how it is. We spend the least already in the county per child...now more cuts. Children are our future. And I will say it again... good schools = better property values
xxxrayted

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mom of gfhsd wrote:
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Stealing is bad but it's not the kids fault. They already don't have text books in the Middle School....they have made tons of cuts...but now buses...wow. It's sad that property owners have to pay for schools in Ohio but that is how it is. We spend the least already in the county per child...now more cuts. Children are our future. And I will say it again... good schools = better property values
Really now? Maple Heights had great schools for many years. Now they are on academic watch.

Property values tied to schools is an old canard. Do you ask your neighbors to pay for your kids clothing? Car? Video games? Cell phone? Then why ask your neighbors to pay for your kids education? In my opinion, if you want kids, you feed them, you raise them, you transport them, and you educate them. And if you can't do that, then don't have kids. I'm sick of paying for other peoples problems.:-(
mapleman

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Really now? Maple Heights had great schools for many years. Now they are on academic watch.
Property values tied to schools is an old canard. Do you ask your neighbors to pay for your kids clothing? Car? Video games? Cell phone? Then why ask your neighbors to pay for your kids education? In my opinion, if you want kids, you feed them, you raise them, you transport them, and you educate them. And if you can't do that, then don't have kids. I'm sick of paying for other peoples problems.:-(
I agree, education starts at home. Schools have just become glorified baby sitting centers that are constantly crying broke. I see no reason why seniors on fixed incomes should be bent over for public schools. The system is flawed and needs to be corrected.
xxxrayted

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Exactly Maple. And if I have to help pay for this education...... fine. But I don't want to pay equal taxation to educate somebody else's kids.

My property tax is now over $5,500 per year. Over half of that goes to schools in which neither me nor my tenants have children in. When I bought this place 17 years ago, my property tax was just over $2,000.

The bitch is that it's likely somebody down the street has four kids in the school system, but pays less property tax than I do. How is that fair? And when people like myself dare complain about it or vote against a school levy, we are labeled heartless or non-caring.

If I have to pay $3,000 to the school system, then somebody with kids in the schools should pay $6,000. You would see how fast those parents would vote these levies down if they had to pay double school taxes compared to people without kids in the schools.

Everybody wants a handout, and you are correct, this system needs to be repaired so we can move away from this Socialist state when it comes to education, and place more burden on the parents than the non-parents.
Harold Jackson

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Forget the levy! To many taxes already and the unions now want more money for their coffers. The school system is broken nation wide that is why the US is behind and falling
xxxrayted

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You're close Harold. The union teachers need to have proof that they are doing their job. So they make studies less and tests more simplistic. Then they can take the results of kids succeeding in school and use that to justify the cost of education.

Truth of the matter is that the US spends more money per capita on children than any country in the world, yet we rank mediocre in results. And anytime people say we need to do something, the liberal answer is to tax people even more and throw money at the problem.
mapleman

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Feb 19, 2011
 
Our education system is built for the 50's, not the 2010's. You go through 13 years of school and what have you really learned? Nothing. Seriously, you come out prepared to bag groceries. What a waste.

Public education is a joke. The school is basically a baby sitter so parents can go to work.
xxxrayted

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Very true. While it's been some time since I was in school, I remember having three study halls and one lunch. Sitting around doing nothing was half of my school day. Then there was an optional art class (learn nothing) an optional arts and performance class (learn nothing) a mandatory gym class (learn nothing) and then we wonder why we are so behind in education.

When we pass these school levies, we also pass more money to pay overtime to bus drivers transporting sports teams in a school bus. We pay for movie rooms and basketball courts. We pay for those football stadiums and tracks. We pay for a six figure principal, a six figure vice-principal, several councilors and a team of cafeteria workers.

Citizens have had enough, and it's about time. They can't keep picking our pockets like this, because the pockets are becoming empty.
mapleman

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Feb 20, 2011
 
Very true. In homeschooling kids are going twice the work done in half the time. There is so much time wasted in school it isn't even funny.

Then they say school is for socialization. How so? Most the time is spent being told to shut up and sit still.

Also, the class has to keep the pace of the slowest student. Remember finishing tests in 15 minutes and having to sit there quite for 30 more while the dumb kids finished?

It's sad that we are forced to support such a flawed educational system that basically prepares you to flip burgers.

It's no surprise the students I see being home schooled are so more advanced than those who are in public schools. They get more done in half the time. That's why teachers are against home schooling. It exposes the flaws and waste of our current educational model.

Nowadays people can get legitimate Master's degrees online from Harvard to Penn, it's time for us to kill the wasteful bloat of public education. If you can get Master's degrees online from world renowned universities, surely a child can learn 7th grade American History via online methods.

Of course this will cost teachers their jobs. It will cost bus drivers jobs. School officials jobs. You get my point. They will fight advancement to the very end.
mapleman

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Feb 20, 2011
 
Many typos above before the grammar Nazis come...lol
xxxrayted

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Feb 20, 2011
 
I'm all for home schooling except for the testing process. A close friend of mine has all three of his children home schooled, but his one boy is 18 and has the spelling and reading skills of an eight grader. His mother completed all his tests online. So I think there needs to be some adjustments there.

I was never a good student in school. But I think if there was home schooling at the time, I would have been much more educated. As you stated, school wastes a lot of time, so it doesn't matter what you do, you're going to be there the entire day anyway. But if the reward for completing your studies early was to watch television or play video gams for the rest of the day, I would have zipped through it in no time. Plus I hated school the entire time I went. The threat of having to go back there would have made me study hard to be an A student. Until today, my mother laughs about me as a child. When she woke me up the first day to go to kindergarden, the first thing I asked is how old you have to be to quit school. LOL!

In order to bring down the public school system, what we need to do is pay parents who home school their children to educate other children in the area. Take money from the school, and give it to home school mothers instead. This would allow most any woman the ability to quit her job and teach her children (and other children) instead. Right now, the reason most mothers can't teach their own children is because they have to work.

I believe the cost per student is somewhere around $9,000 in the public education system. What we should do is offer mothers $6,000 for each student she takes in. Plus she can charge parents extra to prepare lunches and breakfast if she so desires, or like school, they can bring their lunch with them.

Think of it: we can save taxpayers $3,000 per year per student, class size would be much smaller and the parent can focus more on the individual students, no more fist fights and gang problems, it would allow more mothers to be at home with their children. It's a win-win situation except for union teachers I guess. LOL!
mapleman

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Feb 20, 2011
 
As for your buddy and his kids, not every system is perfect. The 18-year-old could have went to the best private school money could buy and still be behind. That is something we need to face. There are different levels of intelligence. Those that are average and below might need professional help to learn, those at the high end of average and above can really be schooled at home.

Like you said, taking some of these kids out of the classroom can help the professionals focus on kids that need help.

The thing is that every time money is involved things get messed up. Yes we can make education a lot more efficient, but it is going to put people out of work. We have been conned into thinking education has to be a certain way, when it doesn't. There is a lot of money floating around our current system. They will not go down without a fight.

If I were a teacher, I would fight too. I get $40,000 a year for basically working nine months. And contrary to popular belief, the job isn't hard at all. I have instructed in computers before and can tell you, it isn't difficult at all. Not compared to real work(busting your ass in a factory is what I call real work).

The biggest con we are told is how important teachers are and how they are underpaid. Educations starts at home and the libraries are free. Not to mention we have the internet.

And yes, if I was home schooled I would have probably graduated by 15. I taught myself how to program at around 9. Do you know I had to sit through computer classes anyway? Learning to turn them on and off and what a floppy disk was. It was insane. At 12 I was basically teaching the class because I knew more than the teacher.

In history they gave me the book and I read it the first week. I then had to sit through 3 months of class waiting for everybody to play catch up.

Do you know how many times I had to hear....."the class hasn't reached that point yet..." It turned me off from learning. My grades eventually fell and I stopped caring.

Not to mention I didn't have the best clothes and caught shjt for that.

When we are adults we are paid based on our skills and abilities, we aren't taught that in school. It is more like a drone atmosphere.
xxxrayted

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Feb 20, 2011
 
As for my friend, if not for taking tests over the internet, she would have had to send him to school for special help. It's just the system is not set up detect these problems. What they should do is have the final exam at a school gymnasium or at a library or social hall of some kind. That way parents who really don't want to send their kids to school have no way to cheat for their kid in need of professional care. Other than that, I'm all for home schooling.

I feel kind of bad for this kid because he has absolutely no way of going to college. And it's not like it was when I got out of school where you can make a descent living with your hands. A kid without an advanced education today is in real trouble tomorrow.

The good news is people are getting fed up with these government unions including teachers. I used to teach music, so I know teaching is not a gravy job, but a friend of mine (ex-tenant) is a teacher, and he loves to brag about how much time he gets off of work. He was celebrating the bad weather because he just stayed home. He was on FaceBook yucking it up. It's not a wonder why there is no shortage of teachers in this country. Everybody wants to be one. Who can blame them? And why does our high schools need a teacher with a masters degree making a six figure salary to teach history? It's just plain robbery is all.
mapleman

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Feb 20, 2011
 
You are talking about proctored testing. That is vital to home schooling. There has to be some kind of secure testing environment. That makes sure parents and students don't cheat during the whole process of home schooling.

Teaching is easy, at least for me it was. You have students that catch on quick that you can reward by being helpers. You have your average students and then you have your poor students. The hardest part is gaining control over the classroom, but once that is done, the job couldn't easier.

I think better assessment needs to be done. That is where the money should be put. My interests having varied much since childhood. Reading, computers and sports. Most people are like that. Learn what children like and are capable of and push them towards that.

Does it make sense to push a kid in music class when they can't carry an note? Same with art. Some people will only need basic math in life. Engineers have some of the worst grammar you will ever see. Get my point?

Our system needs to start being honest if it isn't going to change to home schooling. Too much time is wasted.
xxxrayted

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I have to laugh because I went to electronics school when I was repairing medical equipment. A friend of mine is an electronics engineer, so when we got together, I would ask him questions regarding electronics. He told me that when his television breaks, he calls a television guy to repair it. Not because he's lazy, he just doesn't know how to fix a television. LOL!

You are correct, some kids are not cut out for certain things. When I was teaching music and a new student walked in with sports attire, and started discussing sports, I knew right there and then that this kid had no chance at being a successful guitarist. For whatever reason, jocks have no ability to learn music. It's just not in their blood no matter how hard they try.

I had less trouble with the students than I had with the parents believe it or not. The parents would actually lie to me saying how often their child practiced the guitar. I knew they were lying because when you play the guitar, it becomes untuned and you have to retune it again. Beginners don't know how to do that. So when a kid came to lessons and the guitar was still perfectly tuned, I knew right there they didn't even pick the thing up, and that's why they were having problems. But the parents swore on the Bible their kid was practicing. It just made my job harder because I'm looking for clues as to why the student is advancing at such a slow pace.
mapleman

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Feb 20, 2011
 
Music is something you either have or don't. You can appreciate music, doesn't mean you should try to play it or sing. I guess that can be a frustrating teaching gig when parents what their kids to be stars or cultured.

With computers, I truly found most people are functional retards. They couldn't grasp the simplest concepts. I swear to this day I make a mint off just keeping people's computers running fast and virus free, even though it is the simplest of tasks.

Learning computers doesn't involve talent, but still, people messed that up. I wouldn't say that it made teaching harder, I just evolved my methods.

I think you already know that after doing back breaking physical labor working with your brain is a piece of cake.

Remember wood and metal shop? Back when I was growing up(sure it was the same with you), fathers taught their sons how to work tools. I knew my way around a saw, hammer and vice in grade school. I built my own skate board, computer desk and other things in grade school.

Get to wood shop and metal shop in the 7th grade an I am treated like a monkey. Even though my teacher knew I had the skills I had to hold back and wait for the class.

What was funny was that I always bjtched about the tools in the class being inferior to what my dad had.

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