Workers Fight Off Pair of Gun Wielding Teens

Garfield Heights Police are looking for a pair of teens who walked into a Subway restaurant and allegedly held the workers inside at gunpoint. Full Story
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“Perfect? NO. Forgiven? YES!”

Since: Jan 10

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#1 Feb 19, 2010
How about a description? White, black, Hispanic, Chinese, Japanese?

“A work in progress”

Since: Nov 09

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#2 Feb 19, 2010
MySmileyFace wrote:
How about a description? White, black, Hispanic, Chinese, Japanese?
Well thers a picture of a black hand holding a gun, so unless it's false advertisement I'd say they were black. Otherwise fox picked the wrong color of hand for the gun. Just guessing.
Thelocal

Santa Clara, CA

#3 Feb 19, 2010
We're wondering who the suspects look like, too? Give us a description and we'll be happy to turn them in and the description better not be vague. They said two teens and that makes all high school kids suspects.

“PSA”

Since: Jan 10

Wickliffe, OH

#4 Feb 19, 2010
Given the area alone, my guess would be black teens. Hard to believe, I know.
OMG

Strongsville, OH

#5 Feb 19, 2010
What brave employees!! They should have handed it over, your life is not worth losing. Thank God they are okay. Subway will probably fire them for not following policy, but both should get a raise
very few

Cleveland, OH

#6 Feb 19, 2010
More black on black crime. Sad.
erica d

Elyria, OH

#7 Feb 19, 2010
dang someone upstairs was watching out for him!!!
mapleman

Bedford, OH

#8 Feb 19, 2010
It's not even worth fighting for if somebody has the drop on you. You can always get money back but you only live once. People should pick their battles more wisely. This guy could have been hit in the femoral artery and bled out all over a few hundred bucks.

Damn these thugs are stupid.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#9 Feb 20, 2010
The problem is that when we keep giving them what they want without a fight, the incidents become more frequent. I always though that if I had any connections to Hollywood, I would start a show called America Fights Back. I think it would be just as popular as the long running show COPS. The show would have video footage of store and home owners using firearms to kill and maim attackers. I always love stories when the bad guy gets killed. I could watch a show like that all night. Plus it would send a good message to kids just like this.

I heard this call on the police scanner. They alerted Maple Heights about it. Last I heard, they took off on foot, so it's likely that they live in those dreaded project like apartments by K-Mart.

Going back and forth about getting a CCW, I decided to go ahead and get one. The class which is being held in my apartment will be on March 6th. The following weekend, we will go to the range and finish up the course. This incident leads me to believe I made the right decision. I go to the ATM machine very near this subway, and there are plenty of places where a criminal can hide over there. We need to fight back.
JCU - DAVE

Solon, OH

#10 Feb 20, 2010
isn't the police station down the road?! No wonder East side suburbs are dying. won't catch me in Garfield!
JCU - DAVE

Solon, OH

#11 Feb 20, 2010
AND WHO THE HELL ROBS A PLACE THAT IS SELLING $5 FOOT LONGS?!?!?!? They must be in public school.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#12 Feb 20, 2010
The better question is why are there no security cameras outside of that mall?
mapleman

Bedford, OH

#13 Feb 20, 2010
xxxrayted wrote:
The problem is that when we keep giving them what they want without a fight, the incidents become more frequent. I always though that if I had any connections to Hollywood, I would start a show called America Fights Back. I think it would be just as popular as the long running show COPS. The show would have video footage of store and home owners using firearms to kill and maim attackers. I always love stories when the bad guy gets killed. I could watch a show like that all night. Plus it would send a good message to kids just like this.
I heard this call on the police scanner. They alerted Maple Heights about it. Last I heard, they took off on foot, so it's likely that they live in those dreaded project like apartments by K-Mart.
Going back and forth about getting a CCW, I decided to go ahead and get one. The class which is being held in my apartment will be on March 6th. The following weekend, we will go to the range and finish up the course. This incident leads me to believe I made the right decision. I go to the ATM machine very near this subway, and there are plenty of places where a criminal can hide over there. We need to fight back.
Most people will just end up with their brains on the floor like that guy who got killed at the ATM for fighting back. Sometimes the only time you can fight back is as they are leaving or if you had a weapon when you see them rushing in the door.

Oh, and this didn't take place in the Subway in that plaza you are thinking about by Marc's, it took place at the one in the Dave's plaza.

Say man, what took you so long to get a CCL? You are like years late on that. I would have thought you would have been one of the first in the county to get one. LOL
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#14 Feb 20, 2010
I should be the way this neighborhood is going. LOL.

But seriously, where can you take your gun? You can't walk to the store with it. The store likely has a NO GUNS ALLOWED sign on it. You can't take it to church, and you know how often I go to church. LOL. You could get in trouble if you are drinking while carrying your gun. Speaking of which, you can't walk to your bar and take it either. So I was tossing it back and forth for a while. because of all these restrictions. But the son of a friend of mine decided to take the course to teach CCW classes, and that made it a bit too convenient to say NO. After all, how much more convenient can it be than having the class in my living room?
mapleman

Bedford, OH

#15 Feb 20, 2010
Yeah man. In the beginning it wasn't like that. I see the sign everywhere now. I really try to frequent places without those pesky little signs. Anything to hinder law abiding citizens. Like the criminals aren't packing in all those places.

I don't see why some of these little places even bother with the signs. It isn't like they have a metal detector and frankly speaking it might be better to risk running in the gas station with a concealed gun than it would be to leave it in your car, especially if it is after dark. The chances of LE catching you. Probably .001%. Chances of a bad guy catching you are higher than that. Of course I would never advocate breaking the law over ones own safety. LOL

I don't see how an establishment without armed security wants to prevent people from protecting themselves.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#16 Feb 20, 2010
Totally agree. I mean if I owned a store or something like it, I would almost insist my customers with a carry license be in there with me. I couldn't feel safer.

When I take the class, I'm going to find out what they can charge you for by having a gun with you at a place with one of those signs. If it's a simple misdemeanor, it might be worth the risk for a hundred dollar fine.

I look at the CCW permit as a step in the right direction though. Perhaps they will change these laws as time goes on. For now, it's still a hot issue for the anti-gun crowd. Perhaps they will sneak it in another bill like they did with the Castle Doctrine. In the Castle Doctrine, they included a rider that your car is no different than your home when it comes to protection. So they extended the CCW to cars as well. This happens all the time with politicians, but at least this time, they used dirty politics for the benefit of the people, and not themselves.

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#17 Feb 20, 2010
mapleman

Bedford, OH

#18 Feb 20, 2010
Man if you carry in one of those places it is a fourth degree misdemeanor, and that is if you get caught which I don't see how you would in most places. Isn't that serious of a charge and in neighborhoods where your life can be in danger is worth the calculated risk in my opinion.

A bar or a place that serves alcohol will get you a felony if you carry there. Those are the laws as I am aware of them.

I try to keep up with my gun laws. I am very well into my right to keep and bear arms and protect myself.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19 Feb 21, 2010
Good for you Maple. The more people who have your attitude, the safer people are.

I didn't know it was that high of a charge just for having your gun with you. That's damn near a felony right there. I guess for right now, the only thing we can do is encourage business owners to not put up those signs, or take them down if they are up now. If you are a regular customer at the place, they may oblige.

But like I said, baby steps, baby steps. Eventually, they nay drop it down to a second or first degree misdemeanor. Then perhaps nothing but a fine. You have to sneak these things slowly and carefully. It doesn't hurt to write your legislators either. What I would like to see down the road is the ability to use your firearm to protect your property. That might put the brakes on for these idiots who steal your car out of your driveway or street.
mapleman

Bedford, OH

#22 Feb 21, 2010
No, it is further away from a felony. A fourth degree is nothing. It is like 30 days in jail max and a fine of $200 or something like that. First degree is 6 months and $1,000 fine. Think disorderly conduct. The fourth degree is one step away from playing your music too loud in your car which is a minor misdemeanor.

This is one of the charges where the people don't show up in court and it gets thrown out. By the time the court date comes around they don't want to be bothered.

The state can't pick up the charges on this particular incident which is a trespassing charge in nature. The owner of the establishment has to want to prosecute you.

I know one guy had success in telling best buy to remove the signs. He called corporate and since they don't have them in other states they saw no reason to have them here.

As I always said you can use your firearm to defend your property, just don't talk to the police after you do and lawyer up. The police mistake keys and cellphones for weapons and they are trained professionals, why can't we? LOL Just because they don't find a weapon doesn't mean we couldn't fear for our lives from a stranger in the middle of a criminal act.

It is amazing how many people tell on themselves. If a guy is breaking into your car right now and you go confront him and decide to shoot it is your word against his. More law abiding people need to realize the police are not your friends. Talking to them can easily mount up to $30,000 in legal fees even if you are in the right. Criminals know this and law abiding citizens need to wake up.

As usual I am not advocating breaking the law, just saying we law abiding citizens need to cover our a$$es when fighting back. LOL The law and justice are two different animals and most good people don't realize this.

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