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Police Blotter: Jehovah's Witnesses Told They are Indeed Solicitors

There are 743 comments on the Patch.com story from Oct 1, 2011, titled Police Blotter: Jehovah's Witnesses Told They are Indeed Solicitors. In it, Patch.com reports that:

A Parker Drive woman called police at 10:19 a.m. Sept. 22 that Jehovah's Witnesses would not honor her "no soliciting" sign.

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“Read God's Word”

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#726 Dec 20, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> You are the same nature as your mother, you are both human are you not? First you deny it then you admit to being both human,as your mother , and that is the essence of being equal. YOU ARE EQUALLY HUMAN.
As humans, we are not equal. Human nature tells you that, although some will disagree. A dog is a dog, and a human is human. Some humans are referred to as animals in the Bible. Thus, what nature do they have? Some dogs and humans are more vicious than others. Some dogs don't have hair. The Bible calls some people animals. Equal in what? What therefore is the "essence" of their being equality? Both humans and beasts die. There is equality in that.

Where does God say we are equal in nature OR essence simply because we are born human? Where does it say that Jesus and his Father are equal in nature and essence because they are both gods? Or is it that they are both God? Which is it? Are they Gods or God? Is Almighty God and Mighty God one God or two Gods? Or three Gods? Or three in one God? Or two in one God?
dee lightful wrote:
Do you recall in Genesis where God says lets us make man in our image? Does that mean God has an image even though he is a spirit?
Hmmm, you almost had it until you moved over into the trinitarian theory philosophy question you posed. God said, "Let us make man in our image." Absolutely. That is what it says, and it is true. God made man in His image. You ask, in "essence," does God HAVE an image even though he is spirit? Yes, He does "have an image." That is obvious. You yourself said "God says lets make man in our image.:

Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

God created man in His own image.

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#727 Dec 20, 2013
P.S. dee -- not that's it's too important, but I never said that I do not "share" in human nature. But that does not mean I am equal to every other human in all aspects of human nature. Thus I did not deny one thing while saying the direct opposite. That is what you accuse me of, but I did not say I am equal to my mother simply by virtue of the fact that we are both human. My mother and father were better than I am. That is my assessment. They might say I am better than they, but then again, that is their assessment. I know we are not the same -- or equal in nature, essence. We are alike in that we are humans prone to death, sin, and suffering at the present time.

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#728 Dec 20, 2013
Babba Kanoosh wrote:
99% of the Jehovah Witness are black. So it's true when they say that the J/W goes after the weak minded. LOL!
If that is true then why Arent you one-- the weakest minds and hearts on the earth are the racist bigots= clueless.
dee lightful

Carolina Beach, NC

#729 Dec 20, 2013
Schleptik wrote:
P.S. dee -- not that's it's too important, but I never said that I do not "share" in human nature. But that does not mean I am equal to every other human in all aspects of human nature. Thus I did not deny one thing while saying the direct opposite. That is what you accuse me of, but I did not say I am equal to my mother simply by virtue of the fact that we are both human. My mother and father were better than I am. That is my assessment. They might say I am better than they, but then again, that is their assessment. I know we are not the same -- or equal in nature, essence. We are alike in that we are humans prone to death, sin, and suffering at the present time.
Then you consider yourself less human or more human than someone else?
Baba Kanoosh

Berea, OH

#730 Dec 20, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
<quoted text>
If that is true then why Arent you one-- the weakest minds and hearts on the earth are the racist bigots= clueless.
I'd guess the reason I'm not a J/W is because I'm not simple minded like most blacks and you.

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#731 Dec 20, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Then you consider yourself less human or more human than someone else?
Well, what does nature and essence mean? I am born a human. Would you say you and are equals, as in peers?

For that matter, are humans always of the same essence and nature? Whatever you think that means. We are human flesh, some "human" flesh is sicker than others, prone to more disease than others. But let's see what the Bible says about someone considering himself more or less human than another human in "nature and essence," as you use the phrase inexplicably, however, I might say.

Jude 1:10 But these people scoff at things they do not understand. Like unthinking animals, they do whatever their instincts tell them, and so they bring about their own destruction.

So SOME humans are described as unthinking animals here. Do you therefore conclude it is describing humans of equal nature and essence, and equal to one another, although some behave as animals without thinking? Are those humans equal equal to all other humans in their "nature" and "essence"?

How does a Mighty God which you say is not a spirit, say that God is spirit (sola scriptura depending on which translation you care to use), yet then you say the Son and Father share the "same nature and essence"? Where is that in the Bible that they share the same nature and essence? If I "share the same essence as other humans," and then you say that means I am equal to other humans, how is it that Jesus is not a spirit, but God is a spirit? How is that the "same essence and nature," dee?

John 4:24 God is a spirit.

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#732 Dec 20, 2013
Baba Kanoosh wrote:
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I'd guess the reason I'm not a J/W is because I'm not simple minded like most blacks and you.
oh oh. I love baba ganoush, but God is not partial. He accepts worship from people of all backgrounds and races if they worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#733 Dec 21, 2013
florida native wrote:
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If he were equal to his Father, then he would not have prayed to his Father.
He would not have asked his Father for help.
Sure he did, as a human, he was a lesser being and subject to the Father. He was sent in human form to complete God's will. It was his destiny to be God's sacrifice. Of course he had to pray to him, He was in different form in flesh. As a human, Jesus was subject to all the same feelings, human weaknesses as we are including temptation, temptation to not go through with the sacrifice... just as we are tempted to not obey God and do His will.
It was only when Christ went back to the Father after His Horrible suffering and sacrifice for us, did He sit equally with the Father on the throne and regained all of His former Glory and become once again worthy of the same praise and honor and worship as the father.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#734 Dec 21, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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If that is true then why Arent you one-- the weakest minds and hearts on the earth are the racist bigots= clueless.
Well stated KJW51... This person is a clueless idiot racist.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#735 Dec 21, 2013
Babba Kanoosh wrote:
99% of the Jehovah Witness are black. So it's true when they say that the J/W goes after the weak minded. LOL!
I am not a JW and I am white but my father and one brother are JW's... Neither are black nor simple minded. You are a clueless racist. People find religion because they are looking for Hope. God gives hope to man through Christ. To stereotype people into religion according to race and intellectual capacity (which you seem to not have much of) is just ridiculous. I know many many many white and intelligent JW's. People go to this religion because it gives them hope just like any religion. Wonderful, good hearted and highly intelligent persons join and stay with this believe system.
People like me debate them because we disagree with their core beliefs/teachings. Most of the people on here present themselves as highly intelligent people, they just see things differently.
Shame on you for making such a comment about blacks and simple-mindedness.
God knows your heart and He judges us by whats in our hearts and our actions which include our words.

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#736 Dec 21, 2013
beckyss wrote:
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Sure he did, as a human, he was a lesser being and subject to the Father.
He was sent in human form to complete God's will.
Hi, Beckyss. There is nothing to say that he was "God incarnate" when he came to the earth, but rather, that Jesus was fully human. A very special man, having the approval of God, and demonstrating that he was the Messiah. When he was in heaven as the Logos, or Word, he was "God," with God (King James and other versions), but there is nothing said about him being equal to the God he was with. When he was in heaven, would you say he was a human? or a mangod? I seriously doubt you would say that he was a human in heaven, or a "mangod" in heaven when he, as the Logos in heaven, was with God. So, according to John 1:1, there are two Gods. God and the Logos, also spoken by John as to God. Therefore, God with God. One of those Gods left heaven, did he not? and was born (not just took on flesh) as a human, developing in Mary's womb. It is possible. God can do anything, even become (not just look and act like as the angels did with Abraham) a human.
beckyss wrote:
It was his destiny to be God's sacrifice. Of course he had to pray to him, He was in different form in flesh.
Since you say that Jesus had to pray to God and was in different form [from God, I suppose] in the flesh, are you saying that Jesus was not 100%god100%man on the earth? Because If he was 100% God while he was in the form of a man, why couldn't he pray to the 100% God in himself?

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#737 Dec 21, 2013
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not a JW and I am white but my father and one brother are JW's... Neither are black nor simple minded. You are a clueless racist. People find religion because they are looking for Hope. God gives hope to man through Christ. To stereotype people into religion according to race and intellectual capacity (which you seem to not have much of) is just ridiculous. I know many many many white and intelligent JW's. People go to this religion because it gives them hope just like any religion. Wonderful, good hearted and highly intelligent persons join and stay with this believe system.
People like me debate them because we disagree with their core beliefs/teachings. Most of the people on here present themselves as highly intelligent people, they just see things differently.
Shame on you for making such a comment about blacks and simple-mindedness.
God knows your heart and He judges us by whats in our hearts and our actions which include our words.
thanks for that post, Beckyss.:-)

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#738 Dec 21, 2013
Baba Kanoosh wrote:
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I'd guess the reason I'm not a J/W is because I'm not simple minded like most blacks and you.
Funny how truth is always the opposite of what simple minded ones think-- Its also funny I have invested 50 years searching for truths--The JW religion is the only one on the planet who actually teach Jesus' truths--I guess in your superior intellect you managed to miss that important reality somehow. You do know Jesus' truths--right?
Dr SOS

White Plains, NY

#739 Dec 21, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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Funny how truth is always the opposite of what simple minded ones think-- Its also funny I have invested 50 years searching for truths--The JW religion is the only one on the planet who actually teach Jesus' truths--I guess in your superior intellect you managed to miss that important reality somehow. You do know Jesus' truths--right?
"I have invested 50 years searching for truths"

OUTSIDE THE WT OR INSIDE?

BEING A JW WHILE "searching for truths" DOESNT COUNT AS SEARCHING.

SEARCHING WOULD BE VISITING SEVERAL DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS HAVING ATLEAST SOME HIGHER EDUCATION,READING A WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES,BOOKS,LITERATURE,PHILO SOPHY,IDEAS,THEORIES THEN COMING TO A CONCLUSION.

I GAURANTEE YOU HAVE BEEN DOING "NONE" OF THIS^^^^ FOR 50 YEARS.

GAURANTEED.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTELLECT.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

IM NOT SAYING YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED A JW BUT ONES THAT WERE BORN AND RAISED JWS AND CONTINUED TO STAY JWS HAVE DONE.....

"ZERO" SEARCHING.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THE SMALL CRAMPED WTS VIEW ON THE WORLD TO DO THAT.
Dr SOS

White Plains, NY

#740 Dec 21, 2013
Thats WHY I COMMEND THE AMISH FAITH IS BECAUSE THEY AS KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO "GO OUT INTO THE WORLD" TO EXPERIENCE VARIOUS EXPERIENCES BEFORE COMING TO A CONCLUSION TO JOIN THE FAITH.
dee lightful

Carolina Beach, NC

#741 Dec 21, 2013
Schleptik wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, Beckyss. There is nothing to say that he was "God incarnate" when he came to the earth, but rather, that Jesus was fully human. A very special man, having the approval of God, and demonstrating that he was the Messiah. When he was in heaven as the Logos, or Word, he was "God," with God (King James and other versions), but there is nothing said about him being equal to the God he was with. When he was in heaven, would you say he was a human? or a mangod? I seriously doubt you would say that he was a human in heaven, or a "mangod" in heaven when he, as the Logos in heaven, was with God. So, according to John 1:1, there are two Gods. God and the Logos, also spoken by John as to God. Therefore, God with God. One of those Gods left heaven, did he not? and was born (not just took on flesh) as a human, developing in Mary's womb. It is possible. God can do anything, even become (not just look and act like as the angels did with Abraham) a human.
<quoted text>
Since you say that Jesus had to pray to God and was in different form [from God, I suppose] in the flesh, are you saying that Jesus was not 100%god100%man on the earth? Because If he was 100% God while he was in the form of a man, why couldn't he pray to the 100% God in himself?
Would you agree that although Jesus was a human man was he also more since he is the only begotten Son of the one true God OR just a run of the mill human?
wowzers

Markham, IL

#742 Mar 2, 2014
Funny, but you all have a LOT to say about what Jehovahs witnesses aint! Ok...let say you are 100% right..And they all just DISAPEAR off the planet. Lets now talk about your church. What do YOU plan on doing when you see the gang man? the drug man? the hooker girl? the war man? the drunk man? The homosexual man? the adulterous man? the teen pregnant girl? the stealing man? the wife abuser man? what has your church shown you from the bible on how to deal with those things? WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT JEHOVAHS WITNESSES....Answer those questions. Let me first say, "LIVE AND LET LIVE" is not what the christian bible, NOR christianity is supposed to do..so that answer is not gonna work. YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION because youre calling yourselves christians...So...Tell me...What will you do?
dee lightful

Easley, SC

#743 Mar 2, 2014
wowzers wrote:
Funny, but you all have a LOT to say about what Jehovahs witnesses aint! Ok...let say you are 100% right..And they all just DISAPEAR off the planet. Lets now talk about your church. What do YOU plan on doing when you see the gang man? the drug man? the hooker girl? the war man? the drunk man? The homosexual man? the adulterous man? the teen pregnant girl? the stealing man? the wife abuser man? what has your church shown you from the bible on how to deal with those things? WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT JEHOVAHS WITNESSES....Answer those questions. Let me first say, "LIVE AND LET LIVE" is not what the christian bible, NOR christianity is supposed to do..so that answer is not gonna work. YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION because youre calling yourselves christians...So...Tell me...What will you do?
As an adult why does a church or an org have to tell you what to do, when if you know the scriptures, you know what you should do and don't need a church to tell you what Jesus tells you in the bible?
Aside from knowing what an individual should do we all know that the churches, as a group make up of people, have all kinds of helps for the very things you mention and yet the WTS offers no help for those in need. They have no charities, no hospitals, no orphanages, no nothing for they only send to those "Satan led" churches and gov'ts for help that is needed. Seems to me the "Satan" label is in the wrong place.
hMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#744 Mar 2, 2014
kjw51 wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how truth is always the opposite of what simple minded ones think-- Its also funny I have invested 50 years searching for truths--The JW religion is the only one on the planet who actually teach Jesus' truths--I guess in your superior intellect you managed to miss that important reality somehow. You do know Jesus' truths--right?
You must be a total moron, if you believe this piece of crap.
The Jehovah' sWitnesses have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ, they follow men in New York who run the cult, no one else and they are not allowed to either.

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#745 Mar 7, 2014
I had asked repeatedly to be put on the do not call list, but they still kept coming. I called the Kingdom Hall, I sent a long letter stating why I did not want them bothering me, I work at home, it's an intrusion. They still kept coming. I gave the last Witless the letter again, but then I couldn't get him to leave. I finally said I was an Apostate, then he couldn't get off my fast enough. I had to laugh.

It's the magic word to get rid of JWs. Extra points if you make little horn on your head with you fingers ala Elaine in Seinfeld.

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