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Police Blotter: Jehovah's Witnesses Told They are Indeed Solicitors

There are 743 comments on the Patch.com story from Oct 1, 2011, titled Police Blotter: Jehovah's Witnesses Told They are Indeed Solicitors. In it, Patch.com reports that:

A Parker Drive woman called police at 10:19 a.m. Sept. 22 that Jehovah's Witnesses would not honor her "no soliciting" sign.

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Since: Nov 11

Saint Peters, MO

#504 Oct 23, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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Sins aren't forgiven unless true repentence( one must work in harmony with their prayers by stopping doing a sin once one knows it is a sin.) is done-- If ones sin was wiped clean by what you stated--no one would have to die, but all die--the wages of sin = death---- death pays ones wages of sin. Jesus' death opened the door for one to attain eternal life in Gods kingdom) one must enter through the narrow gate. FEW do Jesus taught.
You are so blinded.
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave all our sins, having cancelled he written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

Acts 3:19
Repent then and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.
Acts 22:16 ...be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.

Do you not understand that Jesus wipes away our sins when we believe, accept him, ask forgiveness and repent. Sins are NOT washed away by the blood if we do not repent even if we ask forgiveness. One must continue on the narrow path with Christ in order to live a righteous life. We are human. We have a sinful nature. Establishing the relationship with the Father through the Son is what helps us daily to stay away from a sinful life. It's not easy. No one is immune to temptation even after we first are saved. It is a daily walk with Christ which keeps us on this narrow path.

Why does it tell us that our sins are washed away after we do these things and become baptized? We are still alive and still capable of sinning. It is about the love and faith and trust in Christ in the Father that they will guide us daily away from sin and into righteousness.

We have to continue to suffer a human existence on this earth and continue to resist temptation to sin to win the 'prize' of everlasting life with Christ and the Father. This is the reward at the end of our human and faithful journey and often rough walk with Christ. He never promised it would be easy, but He did promise a great reward in the end. Everlasting life is the reward for the race we are in daily with Satan. If we continue to deny sin we receive the reward at the end. This is scriptural.

We are human and because of this, we have mortal bodies which means our bodies will eventually die in a relatively short time until Christ returns. We can't live for 1000 years. So death is inevitable, but so is life in heaven if we live a repentant and righteous life.

Since: Jun 13

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#505 Oct 24, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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Sins aren't forgiven unless true repentence( one must work in harmony with their prayers by stopping doing a sin once one knows it is a sin.) is done-- If ones sin was wiped clean by what you stated--no one would have to die, but all die--the wages of sin = death---- death pays ones wages of sin. Jesus' death opened the door for one to attain eternal life in Gods kingdom) one must enter through the narrow gate. FEW do Jesus taught.
Oh, so you are putting yourself in gods position by deciding who gets forgiven?

Tell me, how is it that you have the omnipresence to follow a disfellowshipped one around day and night and monitor their actions?

Since: Mar 09

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#506 Oct 24, 2013
beckyss wrote:
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You are so blinded.
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave all our sins, having cancelled he written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
Acts 3:19
Repent then and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.
Acts 22:16 ...be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.
Do you not understand that Jesus wipes away our sins when we believe, accept him, ask forgiveness and repent. Sins are NOT washed away by the blood if we do not repent even if we ask forgiveness. One must continue on the narrow path with Christ in order to live a righteous life. We are human. We have a sinful nature. Establishing the relationship with the Father through the Son is what helps us daily to stay away from a sinful life. It's not easy. No one is immune to temptation even after we first are saved. It is a daily walk with Christ which keeps us on this narrow path.
Why does it tell us that our sins are washed away after we do these things and become baptized? We are still alive and still capable of sinning. It is about the love and faith and trust in Christ in the Father that they will guide us daily away from sin and into righteousness.
We have to continue to suffer a human existence on this earth and continue to resist temptation to sin to win the 'prize' of everlasting life with Christ and the Father. This is the reward at the end of our human and faithful journey and often rough walk with Christ. He never promised it would be easy, but He did promise a great reward in the end. Everlasting life is the reward for the race we are in daily with Satan. If we continue to deny sin we receive the reward at the end. This is scriptural.
We are human and because of this, we have mortal bodies which means our bodies will eventually die in a relatively short time until Christ returns. We can't live for 1000 years. So death is inevitable, but so is life in heaven if we live a repentant and righteous life.
Did you listen to Acts 3:19--- repentence gets sin blotted out. Yet all still must pay their own wages of the sin they commit with death.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#507 Oct 24, 2013
Matt9969 wrote:
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Oh, so you are putting yourself in gods position by deciding who gets forgiven?
Tell me, how is it that you have the omnipresence to follow a disfellowshipped one around day and night and monitor their actions?
I just shared what Gods word teaches--I didn't elevate myself to his position-- why cant any one read anymore? Without twisting what is said?

Since: Jun 13

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#508 Oct 24, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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I just shared what Gods word teaches--I didn't elevate myself to his position-- why cant any one read anymore? Without twisting what is said?
And just how does an elder know when Jehovah has forgiven someone?

Since: Mar 09

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#509 Oct 25, 2013
Matt9969 wrote:
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And just how does an elder know when Jehovah has forgiven someone?
I am not an elder--I cannot speak for them.

Since: Jun 13

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#510 Oct 25, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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I am not an elder--I cannot speak for them.
So how do you know? How do you know Jehovah has already forgiven me for getting a blood transfusion 25 years ago? How do you know Jehovah has forgiven me? What proof do you have that I am an adulter, fornicator, apostate, etc. All in all, what proof do you have that Jehovah has disfellowshipped me and will only forgive me if I do what you say you believe I should do in order to be forgiven? But wait, you say you aren't an elder, so I'll ask you to ask these questions to an elder.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#511 Oct 25, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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Did you listen to Acts 3:19--- repentence gets sin blotted out. Yet all still must pay their own wages of the sin they commit with death.
really what about those that are sinners and don't die, according to the WT only JW will make it through Armageddon and many not die, are they sinners?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#512 Oct 26, 2013
Matt9969 wrote:
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So how do you know? How do you know Jehovah has already forgiven me for getting a blood transfusion 25 years ago? How do you know Jehovah has forgiven me? What proof do you have that I am an adulter, fornicator, apostate, etc. All in all, what proof do you have that Jehovah has disfellowshipped me and will only forgive me if I do what you say you believe I should do in order to be forgiven? But wait, you say you aren't an elder, so I'll ask you to ask these questions to an elder.
I would never ask an elder that. It all comes down to this reality---Matt 7:21--- those who do the will of my Father in heaven will enter his kingdom. Jesus taught--Few will find that road.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#513 Oct 26, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>really what about those that are sinners and don't die, according to the WT only JW will make it through Armageddon and many not die, are they sinners?
It is these that Jesus died for-- He taught--many of you standing here will never taste death--- Jesus was talking to his true followers as a group--not to them personally back then, because all of them died.
Yes they are sinners--but live to do Gods will now and go through life practicing not sinning as best they can. And also practice not partaking of the table of demons as the majority are mislead to do.

Since: Nov 11

Saint Peters, MO

#514 Oct 26, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you listen to Acts 3:19--- repentence gets sin blotted out. Yet all still must pay their own wages of the sin they commit with death.
You really are clueless aren't you?
Acts 3:19 goes on to state...that times of refresssing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ who has been appointed for you, even Jesus.

So if your statement is true that "ALL STILL MUST PAY THEIR WAGES OF SIN THEY COMMIT WITH DEATH'...then All people, including the those who belong to the elite oranization of JWs must die as well and no membership and person in good standing who has 'worked their way' into righteousness will see eteranal life correct?

Open your eyes. Our sins are washed away with the Blood of Christ because of His sacrifice. If we continue to believe that Christ is the true Son of God and that He died so that our sins could be washed away, and we repent and live for Christ and come to know god the Father through Christ, then we are SAVED! There is no amount of work we can do to earn Salvation. It is given freely though faith in Christ and obedience to His teachings for righteous living.

This is the really important thing to remember. Christ is HOpe.. If we have true faith (and only God will know if our faith is true and real in our hearts) and we struggle with our human nature and sin here and there, yet continue to come back to Christ and the father, then we continue to have hope.
Do you know what hope is?
Hope is knowing that we continue to have opportunity to reach something good.

If we sin once and are forgiven and never sin again, great, we made it!
If we sin twice and God says NO... you only had once chance, then where is the hope... God will judge our heart in our last breath and beat of our heart. If that last breath and beat of our heart is right with Him and Christ, then we are saved.

Have you read Matthew 18:21-35.
This whole story is about how God continues to forgive us and how we are to continue to forgive our brothers. If it takes 70 times 7 times, just as God continues to give us patience till our last breath, so are we to give our fellow man patience in forgiving him.
Open your eyes... See Christ for who He is. Here is your first clue, your Savior is not the WTO... as they claim.

Blessings to you Kjw51!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#515 Oct 27, 2013
beckyss wrote:
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You really are clueless aren't you?
Acts 3:19 goes on to state...that times of refresssing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ who has been appointed for you, even Jesus.
So if your statement is true that "ALL STILL MUST PAY THEIR WAGES OF SIN THEY COMMIT WITH DEATH'...then All people, including the those who belong to the elite oranization of JWs must die as well and no membership and person in good standing who has 'worked their way' into righteousness will see eteranal life correct?
Open your eyes. Our sins are washed away with the Blood of Christ because of His sacrifice. If we continue to believe that Christ is the true Son of God and that He died so that our sins could be washed away, and we repent and live for Christ and come to know god the Father through Christ, then we are SAVED! There is no amount of work we can do to earn Salvation. It is given freely though faith in Christ and obedience to His teachings for righteous living.
This is the really important thing to remember. Christ is HOpe.. If we have true faith (and only God will know if our faith is true and real in our hearts) and we struggle with our human nature and sin here and there, yet continue to come back to Christ and the father, then we continue to have hope.
Do you know what hope is?
Hope is knowing that we continue to have opportunity to reach something good.
If we sin once and are forgiven and never sin again, great, we made it!
If we sin twice and God says NO... you only had once chance, then where is the hope... God will judge our heart in our last breath and beat of our heart. If that last breath and beat of our heart is right with Him and Christ, then we are saved.
Have you read Matthew 18:21-35.
This whole story is about how God continues to forgive us and how we are to continue to forgive our brothers. If it takes 70 times 7 times, just as God continues to give us patience till our last breath, so are we to give our fellow man patience in forgiving him.
Open your eyes... See Christ for who He is. Here is your first clue, your Savior is not the WTO... as they claim.
Blessings to you Kjw51!
The ones brought through Harmageddon will never taste death. The ones living to do Gods will now this will be--they do not partake of the table of demons--99% are mislead to partake from that table.

Since: Nov 11

Saint Peters, MO

#516 Oct 30, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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The ones brought through Harmageddon will never taste death. The ones living to do Gods will now this will be--they do not partake of the table of demons--99% are mislead to partake from that table.
I don't quite follow.
Whether we go to grave the moment we die and wait till the 2nd resurrection to stand before God or whether we go to heave the moment we die doesn't change the fact that we receive get to the state of Salvation in the eyes of God and are in HIS State of Grace. If it is true that we aren't judged until the second resurrection or if it is true that we are judged the day we die, my whole point is that we are saved during life. Saved from sin, we die in sin and are born of the spiritual life for christ.

This is my point. WE are not judged of whether the works we did while we were alive.. our names are written in the Lambs book of life the moment we believe.

Do you not believe this?

By the way, I'm working a lot of extra hours right now so not on as often. I'm not ignoring you, just working or too tired but will keep up.

Have a good evening!
Becky

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#517 Nov 1, 2013
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are clueless aren't you?
Acts 3:19 goes on to state...that times of refresssing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ who has been appointed for you, even Jesus.
So if your statement is true that "ALL STILL MUST PAY THEIR WAGES OF SIN THEY COMMIT WITH DEATH'...then All people, including the those who belong to the elite oranization of JWs must die as well and no membership and person in good standing who has 'worked their way' into righteousness will see eteranal life correct?
Open your eyes. Our sins are washed away with the Blood of Christ because of His sacrifice. If we continue to believe that Christ is the true Son of God and that He died so that our sins could be washed away, and we repent and live for Christ and come to know god the Father through Christ, then we are SAVED! There is no amount of work we can do to earn Salvation. It is given freely though faith in Christ and obedience to His teachings for righteous living.
This is the really important thing to remember. Christ is HOpe.. If we have true faith (and only God will know if our faith is true and real in our hearts) and we struggle with our human nature and sin here and there, yet continue to come back to Christ and the father, then we continue to have hope.
Do you know what hope is?
Hope is knowing that we continue to have opportunity to reach something good.
If we sin once and are forgiven and never sin again, great, we made it!
If we sin twice and God says NO... you only had once chance, then where is the hope... God will judge our heart in our last breath and beat of our heart. If that last breath and beat of our heart is right with Him and Christ, then we are saved.
Have you read Matthew 18:21-35.
This whole story is about how God continues to forgive us and how we are to continue to forgive our brothers. If it takes 70 times 7 times, just as God continues to give us patience till our last breath, so are we to give our fellow man patience in forgiving him.
Open your eyes... See Christ for who He is. Here is your first clue, your Savior is not the WTO... as they claim.
Blessings to you Kjw51!
Jesus taught--- Some of you standing here will never taste death---yet everyone tasted death--- the only reality is that Jesus was talking to his true followers as a whole and not to them personally standing there--This means the ones brought through Harmageddon will never taste death--these will be brought into Gods kingdom. These listened to Jesus in all his truths--like this one--GO sin no more--- his true followers live their lives as best as possible not to sin. The only way this can be done is by one accomplishing this-Matt 16:24--- Few can and that is why Few find the road that leads to life( eternal)

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#518 Nov 1, 2013
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't quite follow.
Whether we go to grave the moment we die and wait till the 2nd resurrection to stand before God or whether we go to heave the moment we die doesn't change the fact that we receive get to the state of Salvation in the eyes of God and are in HIS State of Grace. If it is true that we aren't judged until the second resurrection or if it is true that we are judged the day we die, my whole point is that we are saved during life. Saved from sin, we die in sin and are born of the spiritual life for christ.
This is my point. WE are not judged of whether the works we did while we were alive.. our names are written in the Lambs book of life the moment we believe.
Do you not believe this?
By the way, I'm working a lot of extra hours right now so not on as often. I'm not ignoring you, just working or too tired but will keep up.
Have a good evening!
Becky
No, ones name is not written in the book of life upon belief--Gods word teaches---Those who endure till the end will be saved. These thought their names were written in that book, but Jaws will be dropped-Matt 7:21-23

Since: Nov 11

Saint Peters, MO

#519 Nov 3, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not an elder--I cannot speak for them.
Its really very simple... I have seen how members of my family are 'forgiven'. They are required to sit by themselves in humiliation in the KH during meetings while no one is able to talk to them for a set amount of time.(Usually 6 months) Then they are required to do a great deal of 'repentance' work by putting in tons of hours knocking on doors, bible studies etc... and proving to the elders and congregation that they are so emotionally broken AND afraid of another one of these punishments as to never disobey the WT rules again. Once they go through all this, they are forgiven and deemed worthy for the congregations and their own families to speak to them again.
I have a JW niece that when she was 16 went behind her parents back and went out on a date with a boy who was not a JW and went through this. She would have left the religion if it weren't for the fear of losing her mom and dad.

Do you really believe according to scripture that this is how to bring people to Christ of their own free-will?

When my brother got a divorce, he went through the same thing. But he was actually disfellowshiped and only after he did the 'required work' to prove to them he was dedicated to them, was he allowed back in.

Yes, it is the WTO who is taking the place of Christ. and this is the worst form of lie and blasphemy ever.

So Sad.

Since: Nov 11

Saint Peters, MO

#520 Nov 3, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, ones name is not written in the book of life upon belief--Gods word teaches---Those who endure till the end will be saved. These thought their names were written in that book, but Jaws will be dropped-Matt 7:21-23
Really?
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will NEVER blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
What does it mean to you that the name will NEVER be blotted out. Once a person has received everlasting life, this reward is sealed and permanent. The word NEVER means the persons name is written before they make it to everlasting life and Jesus is telling us that if your name is written in this book, then you will receive in the future everlasting life indicating that the names are written prior to one's end.

Rev 20:12 and 15And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done AS RECORDED (prior, in the past) in the books.... 15If anyone's name WAS NOT FOUND (previously recorded) in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. This does not say will be written, but ARE WRITTEN..

Notice that all passages show that a person's name has already been written by judgement day.

Have a good day!


“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#521 Nov 3, 2013
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
Its really very simple... I have seen how members of my family are 'forgiven'. They are required to sit by themselves in humiliation in the KH during meetings while no one is able to talk to them for a set amount of time.(Usually 6 months) Then they are required to do a great deal of 'repentance' work by putting in tons of hours knocking on doors, bible studies etc... and proving to the elders and congregation that they are so emotionally broken AND afraid of another one of these punishments as to never disobey the WT rules again. Once they go through all this, they are forgiven and deemed worthy for the congregations and their own families to speak to them again.
I have a JW niece that when she was 16 went behind her parents back and went out on a date with a boy who was not a JW and went through this. She would have left the religion if it weren't for the fear of losing her mom and dad.
Do you really believe according to scripture that this is how to bring people to Christ of their own free-will?
When my brother got a divorce, he went through the same thing. But he was actually disfellowshiped and only after he did the 'required work' to prove to them he was dedicated to them, was he allowed back in.
Yes, it is the WTO who is taking the place of Christ. and this is the worst form of lie and blasphemy ever.
So Sad.
It shows that the others in the congregation can openly SEE the public humiliation and the degrading way that these people are taught to treat their brothers and sisters....and is NOT anywhere near a "loving thing"" to do to one who is their fellow worshipers.

Adding insult to injury and displaying even further ungodly conduct....is when other imperfect men (WT elders) "decide" when one is repentant enough to then be allowed to be treated as an equal. Knocking oneself out to write letters begging for forgiveness, to sit away from others, to get all dressed up to attend a meeting where they invoke God to be and then not to speak to anyone in that entire roomful of people, as they sit and wait to be given the green light to be accepted and acceptable once again.

This whole fiasco goes against what Jesus taught about dong to others as you want them to do to you....and it is done on a grand scale in front of all those in attendance at the KH. It is ungodly conduct, unkind, unnecessary and inhumane and it is regularly carried out as a WT policy....as a scare tactic and a strong "in your face" reminder that shows what happens when anyone dares to go against the WT way of doing things.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#522 Nov 5, 2013
Do not believe anyone, unless you can see the Scriptural proof behind what he says about God. Only true Christian Jehovah's witnesses are willing and able to defend their teachings with the same teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

Satan and his followers can also quote Scriptures.
2Corinthians 11:13-15

Repentance does not forgive sins, confession and repentance to Jehovah God on the basis of the sacrificial blood of Jesus, as the Lamb of God, forgives sin.
1John 1:7

Since: Feb 07

RI

#523 Nov 5, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Do not believe anyone, unless you can see the Scriptural proof behind what he says about God. Only true Christian Jehovah's witnesses are willing and able to defend their teachings with the same teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
Satan and his followers can also quote Scriptures.
2Corinthians 11:13-15
Repentance does not forgive sins, confession and repentance to Jehovah God on the basis of the sacrificial blood of Jesus, as the Lamb of God, forgives sin.
1John 1:7
Interesting piece of advice, but, since you laid down the gauntlet, I'm sure that you can, therefore, provide scriptural proof for the "overlapping generation" teaching as well as the 1914 teaching of the JWs.

Looking forward to the scriptural proof for these. So far, no JW has been able to provide anything.

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