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Report: Economy bad for health - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 28 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Jan 21, 2011, titled Report: Economy bad for health - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

More and more residents across North Central Massachusetts are not visiting health-care providers regularly for fear they will not be able to afford the ever-rising costs, according to a report released Thursday on the state of the area's health.

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unhealthy

Lowell, MA

#1 Jan 21, 2011
no money, no problem, just go to the local emergency room every time you sneeze
Comrades oBLAMEo and PIGlosi will pick up the tab
sick and tired

Wellesley, MA

#2 Jan 21, 2011
even those of us with insurance are watching copays and $1000 deductibles make us think twice about calling a doctor. I filled a prescription that I've used for years and the copay went up by $20.00 because the insurer "moved it to a different tier". All of us are suffering under a dysfunctional system that only seems to benefit the insurers, I guess.

Since: Feb 10

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#3 Jan 21, 2011
Massachusetts led the way with an early version of ObamaCare and it has been nothing short of a train wreck.

When MA instituted its version of healthcare payment reform, they were informed by many physicians that doctor participation was going to be low. Their answer: make participation mandatory to obtain/keep your medical license to practice in the state.

Since April 1, about 90 small companies terminated their insurance plans choosing instead to pay the government imposed fine and let Massachusetts taxpayers take over the healthcare premiums instead.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/20...

Devalue Patricks latest attempt to try to deal with this rising cost disaster is his quest for "sweeping authority to review and reject rates" charged by hospitals, physicians groups, medical image centers and insurers.. In other words, he wants veto power that would, in essence, amount to rule by fiat over a price control regime that leads inevitably to shortages, rationing, and at times a black market.

Massachusetts is an object lesson in realpolitik: government control of healthcare leads to a dictatorial grasp for control by the government.

Since: Apr 09

Leominster, MA

#4 Jan 21, 2011
A lot of doctors are not accepting new patients either, and waiting for an appointment can take up to weeks at a time. The MA imposed health care system is starting to fall apart at the seams...
Green Mountain

Leominster, MA

#5 Jan 21, 2011
"MONTPELIER, Vt.(AP) Vermont could provide every resident with health insurance, upgrade outdated hospitals and still save money if would just consolidate its "chaotic" health insurance industry into a single-payer health care system, a health consultant told state lawmakers Wednesday.

Harvard health care economist William Hsiao was hired by the state Legislature to come up with three possible designs for a new health care system. He said getting one entity to process claims, reforming medical malpractice and taking other steps would save $2.1 billion in health spending by 2025.

Hsiao said that Vermont faced no fewer than 15 hurdles before it would be able to implement the plan crafted by him and 23 team members, including restrictions contained in the federal health reform bill passed last year and the need to obtain federal waivers.

But he predicted that, within five years, there would be a new push to go beyond last year's reform at the federal level.

"If Vermont is successful in designing and implementing health care reform based on our recommendations, it will be seen as a leader in resolving the most important domestic policy issue of our time," he said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-19/cons...

Since: Feb 10

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#6 Jan 21, 2011
sick and tired wrote:
even those of us with insurance are watching copays and $1000 deductibles make us think twice about calling a doctor. I filled a prescription that I've used for years and the copay went up by $20.00 because the insurer "moved it to a different tier". All of us are suffering under a dysfunctional system that only seems to benefit the insurers, I guess.
Don't buy into the profit-is-evil trap. What percentage of medical innovations (exclusive of pharmaceuticals) in this country make it to market? Canada's ? Would an American insurance company wait until a test for HIV had been developed that was patented by an American company? Ask the families of French hemophiliacs what happened to their relatives. Insurance companies made $13 billion in profit; Medicare/Medicaid FRAUD was $60 billion. Beating up on insurance companies is a distraction, a ploy, a scam! Insurance does not drive the cost of health care; it is the cost of health care that drives the cost of insurance. Anyone in the health care or insurance industry understands this as absolute fact.

Since: Feb 10

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#7 Jan 21, 2011
Take a look at a few of the largest health care companies' 2008 net profits in percentage of sales and compare that to some other companies:
Tenet 2.63%
United Health Group 4.14%
Aetna 3.85%

And some non-health care companies:
Wal-Mart 3.31%
Microsoft 24.93%
Exxon 8.98%
Apple 14.97%
Google 20.56%
Pfizer 16.32%
Johnson & Johnson 20.76%
Merck 23.59%
Bristol-Myer Squibb 26.04%

In 2008, the average net profits for the health insurance industry were below 5% of sales. If the annual profits of the health insurance industry were 20 or 30 percent, then targeting the industry as one of the culprits would be appropriate, but that simply is not the case.
Real Change

Wellesley, MA

#8 Jan 21, 2011
This problem isn't a regional issue. There have been similar studies across the country and have found that up to 51% of Americans with Health coverage don't use it because of the fear of the co-payments and deductibles. The overall problem isn't with Obamacare or The Massachusetts version it's the INSURANCE COMPANIES! They are the gate by which all of these problems swing. For real change we need to drop the insurance companies, since they don't seem to have a problem dropping us!
JMF

Framingham, MA

#9 Jan 21, 2011
Stamos wrote:
Massachusetts led the way with an early version of ObamaCare and it has been nothing short of a train wreck.
When MA instituted its version of healthcare payment reform, they were informed by many physicians that doctor participation was going to be low. Their answer: make participation mandatory to obtain/keep your medical license to practice in the state.
Since April 1, about 90 small companies terminated their insurance plans choosing instead to pay the government imposed fine and let Massachusetts taxpayers take over the healthcare premiums instead.
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/20...
Devalue Patricks latest attempt to try to deal with this rising cost disaster is his quest for "sweeping authority to review and reject rates" charged by hospitals, physicians groups, medical image centers and insurers.. In other words, he wants veto power that would, in essence, amount to rule by fiat over a price control regime that leads inevitably to shortages, rationing, and at times a black market.
Massachusetts is an object lesson in realpolitik: government control of healthcare leads to a dictatorial grasp for control by the government.
LOVE IT!! Could not of said it better!!!!!!
Telmark

United States

#10 Jan 21, 2011
The health care crisis facing the U.S. will not subside until something is done to curb the flow of illegal immigrants into the Country.

A case in point is the fact that the average U.S. hospital cost of birthing just one child often exceeds the total annual salary of most working illegal immigrants. Also keep in mind that the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not work at all. Now consider the fact that illegal immigrant birth rates are approximately 2.5 times that of the legal citizens of this Country.

Also keep in mind that "health care" wasn't even an "issue" until several years after Reagan and the Rep/Dems passed the illegal immigrant amnesty program in 1986 (which has only served to vastly increase the numbers of illegal immigrants in the Country).

The bottom line here is that the U.S. can not continue to allow the importation of non-paying health care recipients.
Captain Obvious

Leominster, MA

#11 Jan 21, 2011
What has happened over the past 125 years in the health care industry is that America's much-cherished free enterprise system now produces health outcomes far worse than some of the poorest nations on earth at a cost of almost twice as much as that of the next most expensive nation. This would seem to indicate that capitalism has failed miserably in this sector.
Real Change

Wellesley, MA

#12 Jan 21, 2011
Grren Mountian; I have read this article! The funny thing is we don't have to wait until the state decides to repair the system. We can start systems like what is described in the article locally. A local or regional health system could be dramatically cheaper than carring insurance and stimulate the local ecomomy.
Green Mountain

Leominster, MA

#13 Jan 21, 2011
Real Change wrote:
Grren Mountian; I have read this article! The funny thing is we don't have to wait until the state decides to repair the system. We can start systems like what is described in the article locally. A local or regional health system could be dramatically cheaper than carring insurance and stimulate the local ecomomy.
Locally, funding could only be through sales or property tax. That would be more challenging than a statewide solution. Statewide, the use of payroll taxes could be used, something that is not possible on a local level.

http://www.wbur.org/2011/01/19/vermont-health...

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#14 Jan 21, 2011
Green Mountain wrote:
"MONTPELIER, Vt.(AP) Vermont could provide every resident with health insurance, upgrade outdated hospitals and still save money if would just consolidate its "chaotic" health insurance industry into a single-payer health care system, a health consultant told state lawmakers Wednesday.
Harvard health care economist William Hsiao was hired by the state Legislature to come up with three possible designs for a new health care system. He said getting one entity to process claims, reforming medical malpractice and taking other steps would save $2.1 billion in health spending by 2025.
Hsiao said that Vermont faced no fewer than 15 hurdles before it would be able to implement the plan crafted by him and 23 team members, including restrictions contained in the federal health reform bill passed last year and the need to obtain federal waivers.
But he predicted that, within five years, there would be a new push to go beyond last year's reform at the federal level.
"If Vermont is successful in designing and implementing health care reform based on our recommendations, it will be seen as a leader in resolving the most important domestic policy issue of our time," he said."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-19/cons...
Unfortunately, socialist health care systems world wide have already proven "beyond any reasonable doubt" to be government run disasters.

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare...
where is the data

Pepperell, MA

#15 Jan 21, 2011
Captain Obvious wrote:
What has happened over the past 125 years in the health care industry is that America's much-cherished free enterprise system now produces health outcomes far worse than some of the poorest nations on earth at a cost of almost twice as much as that of the next most expensive nation. This would seem to indicate that capitalism has failed miserably in this sector.
Where's the data to support this load of cr*p? Where's the link or point of reference?
Green Mountain

Leominster, MA

#16 Jan 21, 2011
Stamos wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, socialist health care systems world wide have already proven "beyond any reasonable doubt" to be government run disasters.
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare...
Considering that every industrialized nation on the planet except the US has implemented "socialist" health care systems, and the vast majority far exceed ours in terms of cost and quality, I fail to see how you could make such a claim.

Since: Feb 10

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#17 Jan 21, 2011
Captain Obvious wrote:
What has happened over the past 125 years in the health care industry is that America's much-cherished free enterprise system now produces health outcomes far worse than some of the poorest nations on earth at a cost of almost twice as much as that of the next most expensive nation. This would seem to indicate that capitalism has failed miserably in this sector.
Socialist health care system supporters often point to sky rocketing health insurance prices in the U.S. as a problem with a "capitalist" system. However, all of the pervasive problems within our health care system are a direct result of statism.

Unfortunately, most buy into the feel-good soundbites and look to the socialist utopia to provide answers, not understanding that additional government intervention always worsens the problems.
Not even many so-called experts who villify capitalism understand the difference between Statism/socialism and liberty.

Health care is a limited commodity- even if the statists ignore this fact.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/h...

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php...

The moral belief in the right to health care beyond what an individual can afford--health care at other people's expense--leads inevitably to demand for unnecessary or superficial care that clogs doctors' offices, overfills hospitals and tasks the health care system beyond its capacities. The predictable result is the endless waiting lists of socialized medicine.

The choice we face are stark: the rights-respecting free market of capitalism, where goods and services are produced in abundance, including health care--or the chronic-lefts disasters of socialism, where thousands die because of continuous shortages.
Captain Obvious

Leominster, MA

#18 Jan 21, 2011
Stamos wrote:
<quoted text>
Socialist health care system supporters often point to sky rocketing health insurance prices in the U.S. as a problem with a "capitalist" system. However, all of the pervasive problems within our health care system are a direct result of statism.
Unfortunately, most buy into the feel-good soundbites and look to the socialist utopia to provide answers, not understanding that additional government intervention always worsens the problems.
Not even many so-called experts who villify capitalism understand the difference between Statism/socialism and liberty.
Health care is a limited commodity- even if the statists ignore this fact.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/h...
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php...
The moral belief in the right to health care beyond what an individual can afford--health care at other people's expense--leads inevitably to demand for unnecessary or superficial care that clogs doctors' offices, overfills hospitals and tasks the health care system beyond its capacities. The predictable result is the endless waiting lists of socialized medicine.
The choice we face are stark: the rights-respecting free market of capitalism, where goods and services are produced in abundance, including health care--or the chronic-lefts disasters of socialism, where thousands die because of continuous shortages.
Why are all your links from media catering to the ideological fringe?

Since: Feb 10

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#19 Jan 21, 2011
Green Mountain wrote:
<quoted text>
Considering that every industrialized nation on the planet except the US has implemented "socialist" health care systems, and the vast majority far exceed ours in terms of cost and quality, I fail to see how you could make such a claim.
Under the system of socialized medicine in Canada and Europe, people die because waiting lists to see doctors are too long to permit them to receive cardiac care in time to save their lives. In Canada, for example, a patient typically must wait 24 days for an appointment with a cardiologist--and 15 additional days for the type of emergency bypass surgery that saved Bill Clinton's life. Similarly, a Swedish government survey showed that Swedes can be forced to wait as long as 11 months for a diagnostic heart X-ray and up to 8 months for essential heart surgery.

European welfare states are slashing benefits in the face of rising health care costs.

A recent front-page story in the New York Times detailed the European cutbacks. According to the article, Britain, France and Germany are all being forced to limit access to care. Rationing, already extensive, is increasing.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/fra...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm...

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/mental...

For years we've been told to look to Europe for lessons about health care. This time, maybe we should.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/107615349727...

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba369/

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Public-pa...

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#20 Jan 21, 2011
Telmark wrote:
The health care crisis facing the U.S. will not subside until something is done to curb the flow of illegal immigrants into the Country.
A case in point is the fact that the average U.S. hospital cost of birthing just one child often exceeds the total annual salary of most working illegal immigrants. Also keep in mind that the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not work at all. Now consider the fact that illegal immigrant birth rates are approximately 2.5 times that of the legal citizens of this Country.
Also keep in mind that "health care" wasn't even an "issue" until several years after Reagan and the Rep/Dems passed the illegal immigrant amnesty program in 1986 (which has only served to vastly increase the numbers of illegal immigrants in the Country).
The bottom line here is that the U.S. can not continue to allow the importation of non-paying health care recipients.
A must see video regarding Illegals and health care..

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