Ulster County mulls smoking ban

Aug 5, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Freeman

Ralph Solomon understands the need to prohibit smoking indoors, but the Kingston resident thinks that outlawing smoking outdoors might be going a little too far.

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1 - 8 of 8 Comments Last updated Aug 17, 2009

“9/11 inside job”

Since: May 08

Saugerties New York

#1 Aug 8, 2008
People are forgetting WWII, we are becoming a Nazi State.
Onnioni the Douche

New York, NY

#2 Aug 10, 2008
Uhh... right.
And in the 1940s we also believed beer was good for babies and rum was an antidote for hypothermia and ice baths would cure schizophrenia. People never wore seat belts or bike helmets, now it's the law.

EVOLVE.

Your cute little avatar calls 9/11 an inside job so I assume you're fond of conspiracy theories and 'fighting the power' and 'sticking it to the man'? Look into where tobacco money goes. Trace THAT money train, you ninny.

Wake up.
Smokers are Suckers

Woodridge, NY

#3 Aug 17, 2008
The Nazis set out to systematically kill people.
The motive behind STOPPING SMOKING is to save people.
That's a stupid comparison. Smokers need help to stop, instead of more ways to enable them to smoke.

It's an addiction, which is a disease.

We also have to target people from starting. That's where the problem begins. That's the messed up thing. Nobody enjoys starting, but they do for some dumb reason.

“9/11 inside job”

Since: May 08

Saugerties New York

#4 Aug 19, 2008
I quit smoking one year ago today at 10:30 am.
Aaron Kravig

Todd, NC

#5 Aug 13, 2009
As a student of Ulster County Community College, I have noticed a number of indiscretions involved with this law, and feel they must be addressed and negotiated upon. I feel that this law impedes most heavily upon students of colleges and universities. The law was enacted on June 2, a measly week after the semester ended, in order to dispel any sort of resistance to the law. I consider this to be a very underhanded method of enactment; the majority of citizens this law effects are unaware and unhindered by the law for a nearly a full three months, yet if the law were to be enacted on say, September first, the second week of school, protestation would be heated and severe. Secondly, the vast majority of students in colleges and universities in Ulster county are above the age of eighteen, and the presence of children about campus is scarce at best, dispelling Section 1, item 2 of Local Law Number 9, which, "Acknowledges the need of non-smokers, especially children, to breathe smoke free air,recognizing the danger to public health which second hand smoking causes." The choice, by mature adults, to smoke, is theirs, and theirs alone. Legislation by a panel of elected officials is never going to change this, and as such, our opinions and choices should be respected and considered. Thirdly, I can comfortably make the statement, based on direct interaction and discussion, that majority of the population of teachers and professors, all accredited with either Masters or Doctorates in their respective fields, are opposed to the smoking ban, as they are not at all tempted to face the task of instructing a population of students who may be distracted for any reason. Albeit, in this instance, the distraction may be caused due to factors that involve nicotine addiction, yet as tobacco is a perfectly legal and socially acceptable drug, this distraction seems absolutely unnecessary. Lastly, and, incidentally, the point that I feel most strongly about, the smoking ban has stripped from the campuses all of the ashtrays and cigarette butt receptacles. As a result of this, and the de facto reality that students, teachers, and staff of our schools will ultimately scoff at this law, my campus will, inevitably, be littered and marred by countless numbers of cigarette butts thrown on the ground, cultivating and exacerbating an unsavory and disgusting environment, that I, as a student, detest to witness. My plan of action, thus far, is to rally students and teachers in order to form a coalition of like minded individuals geared toward a solution founded in negotiation and respect for students, teachers, and non-smokers alike, that strives to find a middle ground, and seeks the implementation of designated smoking areas throughout the colleges and universities within Ulster county.
A. Kravig
Nice Try

Kerhonkson, NY

#6 Aug 16, 2009
You spent a lot of time drafting a letter with some awkward liturgic and grammatical gaffs, but I'll let those go...

First, the date of the imposed ban may have been designed to ease this transition, impacting fewer people at once. Still, it's more dramatic to imagine some surreptitious motive behind it as you suppose.

Second, as this law was enacted to serve the county, not just the bubble of your world, the line "especially children" is absolutely credible. The framework for a comprehensive smoking ban is meant to be broad in scope. In fact, if it were to target ONLY campuses, you'd have a case for discrimination, albeit a scant one.

Third, the academic credentials of the staff you site have zero basis or credibility. Are their degrees in health care? Doubtful. Obviously you sought like-minded people to commiserate with, further tipping your bias.

I'm sorry that for some reason, maybe it was your home life, maybe you were insecure and thought you'd look cool, feeling the need to suffer through the posing, the fake inhaling, the coughing and spitting to finally blossom to the mature, addicted smoker you are today, but whatever that reason, I'm sorry you were not better informed as to smoking's undeniable impact on your health and the health of others.

I'm curious - in the midst of our tumultuous health care debate, how do you weigh in? Are you for or against a comprehensive system of coverage for all? Because surely you wouldn't expect me, a healthy non-smoker, to pay into a system that would statistically put you at great risk in later years than me. Why should I invest in your poor decisions?
your choice

New York, NY

#7 Aug 17, 2009
smoke at home. i don't watch porn at school.

“9/11 inside job”

Since: May 08

Saugerties New York

#8 Aug 17, 2009
your choice wrote:
smoke at home. i don't watch porn at school.
Just STUPID!

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