Jury's verdict stays

Jury's verdict stays

There are 24 comments on the Newsday story from Feb 14, 2007, titled Jury's verdict stays. In it, Newsday reports that:

A jury forewoman's word that she and her peers relied on inadmissible evidence when they voted to convict Martin Heidgen of murder was not enough yesterday to persuade a Nassau judge to set aside Heidgen's ...

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Brian

Carteret, NJ

#1 Feb 14, 2007
Totally prejudicial and inflammatory Larry King like exploitation about the severed head. He didn't get out of the car go to limo and then cut off her head. It was an ACCIDENT.
Brian

Carteret, NJ

#2 Feb 14, 2007
The whole jury system obviously fell apart in this case. Judge had NO control over the jurors and plainly wanted to railroad the defendent.
Ye Gads

Wappingers Falls, NY

#3 Feb 14, 2007
Brian you sound like a friend of the defendant. How could you say it was just an ACCIDENT when he was drunk and driving in the wrong direction on the Meadowbrook Parkway.
He took the life of two people and you say he didn't get out of the car and decapitate one of the victims.
Get real and think about what you are writing.
The judge and the jury did not railroad the defendant. He railroaded himself by driving drunk and getting on the parkway in the wrong direction. No easy feat.
Rethink your remarks.
Sonny

Hartsdale, NY

#4 Feb 14, 2007
It's a sad story anyway you look at it. But seriously Heidgen's lawyer should have examined more closely his jury selection before attempting to try this case. Now Heidgen's defence is groping at straws to save their case. A child and loving husband were killed in the most horrid way because of Heidgen's irresponsible behavior. Regretfully a kiss and forgive is just not enough.
Murder ---

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Feb 14, 2007
not the correct verdict--That being said...MARTIN HEIDGEN Deserves to be put to death for what he has done.
I agree with Brian, it was an ACCIDENT, a wholly and totally preventable accident had he not been behind the wheel DRUNK!!!!!
Correct the verdict but make the punishment fit the crime!!!
Take his GUILTY of Manslaughter life in exchange for the 2 INNOCENT lives he recklessly took!
Bob

Bronx, NY

#6 Feb 14, 2007
Brian wrote:
Totally prejudicial and inflammatory Larry King like exploitation about the severed head. He didn't get out of the car go to limo and then cut off her head. It was an ACCIDENT.
You are obviously not a very bright individual. Drinking yourself into a highly intoxicated state is NOT an accident, it is deliberate.....getting behind the wheel of a car in that highly intoxicated state is NOT an accident.....driving the wrong way on a high speed road (or any other road for that matter) while highly intoxicated is NOT an accident. These are all deliberate acts. Heidgen made the choice to drive that way and his intoxication is not a defense of the consiquences of his deliberate actions. The murderer had the choice of calling a cab or a friend to take him home. He chose not to do so. He killed (murdered) and seriously injured people. He changed lives forever. That was NOT an accident.
jenn

Stony Brook, NY

#7 Feb 14, 2007
you'd have to live under a ROCK to not know what can happen if you drink and then get behind the wheel. therefore it's not an accident, you know what the repercussions can be!

the laws need to be changed so if you are caught drinking and driving, you are automatically going to lose your license, never get it back, AND have to serve some time! how is it that people are back on the road after getting caught once, twice, three times? ZERO TOLERANCE!
Jon

United States

#8 Feb 14, 2007
This trial is wrong from the start Heidgen Should get manslaughter. The Court system is not being fair. Loy Malcolm did the right thing standing up for herself. Neil Flynn is a heartless nazi who will call anyone a liar just beacuse there saying what they think is right. Every person who is on trial has a right to say what they want and to be defend. But the way that this case is going our nation should be called "The Corrupt States of America" because we are no longer United.
barbara - merrick

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Feb 14, 2007
Karen Fisher killed a priest, left the accident, had previous drunk driving violations and she gets manslaughter. Martin did not get up that morning with the intent to kill. It was a horrible ACCIDENT. The Flynn family has so many political ties that this young man did not stand a change. Neil Flynn constant screaming for the press was not for his daughter/family,but for his sick "ego". Martin Heidgen is the "Poster Boy" for drunk driving - no excuses - but Murder is not the correct and fair verdict.Why is he being treated so differently than Karen Fisher, the NYPD officer that drank and killed her friend, etc.
This was totally an unfair trial from the beginning and I once again blame "politics" - prominent people from Long Beach - what about their "catholic" beliefs - "forgive" - the Amish people forgave the people that killed their children - but these so called church going people used their political pull and Neil's big mouth to make the trial a media circus. Martin should serve time in jail - but "intent to kill" is insane.
So - all of you righteous people, judge Martin - why not play "God" - I am sure you all are so perfect - don't you think that Martin will be punished for the rest of his life just living with the fact of the loss of two lives - also what about Mr. Rabinowitz- his family is not powerful - so lest us forget the loss of him - there is no justice regarding this case. Let Martin serve jail time just like the other two cases recently here on LI - not Murder.
Brian

Carteret, NJ

#10 Feb 15, 2007
barbara - merrick wrote:
Karen Fisher killed a priest, left the accident, had previous drunk driving violations and she gets manslaughter. Martin did not get up that morning with the intent to kill. It was a horrible ACCIDENT. The Flynn family has so many political ties that this young man did not stand a change. Neil Flynn constant screaming for the press was not for his daughter/family,but for his sick "ego". Martin Heidgen is the "Poster Boy" for drunk driving - no excuses - but Murder is not the correct and fair verdict.Why is he being treated so differently than Karen Fisher, the NYPD officer that drank and killed her friend, etc.
This was totally an unfair trial from the beginning and I once again blame "politics" - prominent people from Long Beach - what about their "catholic" beliefs - "forgive" - the Amish people forgave the people that killed their children - but these so called church going people used their political pull and Neil's big mouth to make the trial a media circus. Martin should serve time in jail - but "intent to kill" is insane.
So - all of you righteous people, judge Martin - why not play "God" - I am sure you all are so perfect - don't you think that Martin will be punished for the rest of his life just living with the fact of the loss of two lives - also what about Mr. Rabinowitz- his family is not powerful - so lest us forget the loss of him - there is no justice regarding this case. Let Martin serve jail time just like the other two cases recently here on LI - not Murder.
Thank you for your bright response. People are being ridiculous here. There is a reason people who drive drunk and kill people get manslaughter. Because they were drunk-you know impaired mentally.
Linda

Arverne, NY

#11 Feb 16, 2007
Thank God someone (Barbara) sees this case as I do. Martin Heidgen was used as an example. It is ridiculous that this would be considered second degree murder. Because of the circumstances surrounding this case,(i.e. the way Katie Flynn was killed, driving the wrong way on the parkway, etc..)this case was made into a three ring circus. Karen Fisher,a three time offender, driving on a suspended license, left the priest on the side of the road to die and she faces 3 to 10 years behind bars? Martin Heidgen, with no prior DWI convictions, whose trial is under suspicion based on the testimony of one of the jurors, gets possible life in prison? How is this justified? If the purpose of the Heidgen case was to set an example of what can happen if you drink and drive, then set the example across the board. Be loud and clear and consistent. This kind of injustice can happen to any one of us or our children if it happens to one of us.
KNOW YOUR ATTORNEY

New York, NY

#12 Mar 7, 2007
HEIDGEN'S MUDER CONVICTION WAS CORRECT...MOST WEREN'T IN COURT FOR THE TESTIMONY AND CAN ONLY RELY ON THE INACCURATE REPORTING OF NEWSDAY, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY THAT INCOMPETENT REPORTER, ANN GIVENS...HEDIGEN TO GO TO SUCH LENGTHS TO THWART THE SYSTEM AND AVOID CONVICTION BY PUTTING ANOTHER MAN'S BODILY FLUIDS IN HIS MOUTH...HIS ATTORNEY, STEPHEN LAMAGNA, IS BY FAR THE MOST UNETHICAL, DESPICABLE, UTTERLY WORTHLESS ATTORNEY I HAVE EVER WITNESSED WHO WAS IN WAY OVER HIS HEAD...HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A LITTLE LEAGUE ATTORNEY WHO I WOULDN'T TRUST HANDLING A PARKING TICKET FOR ME
A Friend of Neil

Hackensack, NJ

#13 Apr 15, 2007
Jon wrote:
This trial is wrong from the start Heidgen Should get manslaughter. The Court system is not being fair. Loy Malcolm did the right thing standing up for herself. Neil Flynn is a heartless nazi who will call anyone a liar just beacuse there saying what they think is right. Every person who is on trial has a right to say what they want and to be defend. But the way that this case is going our nation should be called "The Corrupt States of America" because we are no longer United.
AS someone who has known Neil for over twenty years, full disclosure, he is not a Nazi you ignorant fool. This is a wonderful person, a natural leader, a devoted father who did everything right that night and has to live with the belief, as misguided as it is, that he failed katie and could not protect her. The Defendant was charged with murder because his actions are the epitamy of depraved indifference, as for your statement about every defendant having the right to say what he wants, that coward had the chance, and backed away. If he had an inch of character, fortitude and morality, he would stop sucking off perps in a failed attempt to foil a DNA test and instead step up and admit that he could not handle his booze, lost it, wanted to die, and did not give a fuck about who went with him him. ACCIDENTS, by definition, are random occurences that are no one's fault. Heidgen had a choice, a said, I don't car who i may Kill, I am driving. When you get get off your soapbox imagine yourself in Neil's shoes, I know liberals hate that, but it is the only way for you to open your eyes you ignorant fuck.
A Friend of Neil

Hackensack, NJ

#14 Apr 15, 2007
Brian wrote:
Totally prejudicial and inflammatory Larry King like exploitation about the severed head. He didn't get out of the car go to limo and then cut off her head. It was an ACCIDENT.
Hey Stupid, when you drink enough to triple the legal limit to drive legally, then tear down the meadowbrook parkway against traffic, that is not an accident, it is a crime, Depraved Indifference, Penal Law 125, look it up. That loser knew enough to drive that truck, was aware enough to remain on the meadowbrook for about 3 miles the wrong way, it is the same as taking an AK 47 and randomly firing off 30 rounds in all directions of a crowd. That piece of shit turned his truck into a 3,000 pound bullet that murdered Katie and Stanley, put yourself in their shoes you Smoked Salmon Liberal, How would you feel if a guy blowing .24 severed your daughters head.
A Friend of Neil

Hackensack, NJ

#15 Apr 15, 2007
Neil, if you are watching, PRIDE, POISE, COMITTMENT
A Friend of Neil

Hackensack, NJ

#16 Apr 15, 2007
Linda wrote:
Thank God someone (Barbara) sees this case as I do. Martin Heidgen was used as an example. It is ridiculous that this would be considered second degree murder. Because of the circumstances surrounding this case,(i.e. the way Katie Flynn was killed, driving the wrong way on the parkway, etc..)this case was made into a three ring circus. Karen Fisher,a three time offender, driving on a suspended license, left the priest on the side of the road to die and she faces 3 to 10 years behind bars? Martin Heidgen, with no prior DWI convictions, whose trial is under suspicion based on the testimony of one of the jurors, gets possible life in prison? How is this justified? If the purpose of the Heidgen case was to set an example of what can happen if you drink and drive, then set the example across the board. Be loud and clear and consistent. This kind of injustice can happen to any one of us or our children if it happens to one of us.
Hey Linda, What is injust about taking an irresponsible prick like Heidgen and seeing that he serves an appropriate penalty for killing two peope in a drunken stupor. I hope this does send a message, if you drink, call a fucking CAB! Why is it that people can empty their wallet on booze but cannot save 10-20 bucks to get home safe,(most people drink close to home). Is it so hard to leave the driving to someone else. How many people would be saved if just a few of you said, "I will leave the driving to someone else", if a practical figure helps, a Cab costs far less than a DWI. When you know you are drinking, take a cab or a friend out, DO NOT GIVE YOURSELF THE OPTION TO DRIVE.
Julia

Cedar Knolls, NJ

#17 Jun 3, 2007
I was just looking up a article about this case because I heard a band I like has a song about this and I never really got the song till now. But the song has nothing to do with this. The main point to me posting is I just want to share this, No one should drink and drive period, if your gonna drink get some friend, family, member, or a cab to take you home. When I heard about this story I felt bad for both the families of the victims that lost there lives and Heidgen. The families will have deal with not having a loved one with them everyday(everyone should put there place in the families place for a second), but then also put yourself in Heidgen place and think of how he might feel inside even though he might not show it outside. The point is just don't drink and drive
Brett

Fayetteville, AR

#18 Jun 5, 2007
Marty was my nextdoor neighbor for 15 years growing up. He was and is still a good friend. The circumstances surrounding this case are grievous, but the verdict does not fit the crime. No one is denying that he did something wrong. What he did was idiotic and irresponsible, but did he really intend on killing the two people? No. He should be convicted of vehicular manslaughter no doubt. Deep down he is a good person. All you judgers out there can hold your own opinions, but I am speaking from knowing him for 15 plus years, not from some article I read or from following the ongoing case for the last few months. I am sure that not a day passes that he doesn't regret what happened. He should serve hard time for what he did. I'm not denying that. But, Forgiveness is divine.
God Bless those who lost, and God help Marty get through this.
Lisa

Bronx, NY

#19 Aug 29, 2007
A Friend of Neil wrote:
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AS someone who has known Neil for over twenty years, full disclosure, he is not a Nazi you ignorant fool. This is a wonderful person, a natural leader, a devoted father who did everything right that night and has to live with the belief, as misguided as it is, that he failed katie and could not protect her. The Defendant was charged with murder because his actions are the epitamy of depraved indifference, as for your statement about every defendant having the right to say what he wants, that coward had the chance, and backed away. If he had an inch of character, fortitude and morality, he would stop sucking off perps in a failed attempt to foil a DNA test and instead step up and admit that he could not handle his booze, lost it, wanted to die, and did not give a fuck about who went with him him. ACCIDENTS, by definition, are random occurences that are no one's fault. Heidgen had a choice, a said, I don't car who i may Kill, I am driving. When you get get off your soapbox imagine yourself in Neil's shoes, I know liberals hate that, but it is the only way for you to open your eyes you ignorant fuck.
Bravo!
Lisa

Bronx, NY

#20 Aug 29, 2007
Bravo! This was no random act. Shame on anyone who slights Neil Flynn for his convictions. Who could possibly imagine the pain this man endures day to day, moment to moment? My heart breaks for him and his family. I am haunted by their loss.

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