Is Jesus Christ real?

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As we approach Christmas day I just wondered what does that day mean to most people today? Do people go to church more during that season? Explain your answer why they do\don't go?
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If you are a pastor and have been a pastor, you should already know the answer to your question.

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I know what I believe, I just wondered how others perceive it.
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Dec 19, 2010
 
No. Until it's proven, he's not real.

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Government Foe wrote:
No. Until it's proven, he's not real.
Thank you for responding. Question do you believe in the big blast theory? or perhaps evolution? Do you have a theory of our existence as mankind?
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Pastor Alliene wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for responding. Question do you believe in the big blast theory? or perhaps evolution? Do you have a theory of our existence as mankind?
The big bang theory is just that, a theory and also not proven.

Dazzling in biological learning, the mutation and evolution of genetic compound is proven and thus, leads me towards the belief of evolution.

There is a reason religious is based on "faith" since faith is the requirement to believe. Upon viewing the world today as it is, I refuse to believe a God would allow such a world. All the excuses from Christian followers are simply repetitive indoctrinated parables taken from a book continuously translated over thousands of years from self righteous zealots who believe people should live as they deem acceptable. Yet, many parts of this book (thicker than the book itself) were removed as it didn't fit the zealot's agenda. Proving the existence of a higher power, beyond an image on a piece of toast, will be the turning point in my life to believe. Until then, there are far too many reasons not to believe than there are to believe.
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Oops, "there is a reason "religion"....... not 'religious"
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Dec 20, 2010
 
Government Foe wrote:
No. Until it's proven, he's not real.
For ye have opened the Pandora's box of the troll. Now you must entertain him to our delight.
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Dec 20, 2010
 
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For ye have opened the Pandora's box of the troll. Now you must entertain him to our delight.
LOL. I'm on vacation. I'll squeeze it in around house tasks.

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Government Foe wrote:
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LOL. I'm on vacation. I'll squeeze it in around house tasks.
Friend you mentioned you lean towards believing evolution, may I ask which perspective of it?

Micro-evolution or Macro-evolution?
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Religion and science don't mix and they were never meant to mix. People of faith have no business messing with science and people of science have no business messing with religion or FAITH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/re...

http://4thefirsttime.blogspot.com/2007/09/199...

http://www.zenit.org/article-27504...

I am a person of FAITH AND SCIENCE, but I don't play GOD and pretend to know everything. People need to learn humility and stop being bullies.
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Pastor Alliene wrote:
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Friend you mentioned you lean towards believing evolution, may I ask which perspective of it?
Micro-evolution or Macro-evolution?
Don't allow these biological terms to confuse you. There really isn't a difference amongst the two. Scientist and biologists rarely, if ever, use the terms. It's mainly used by those trying to analyze the evolution theory. Macro-evolution is simply a combination of many micro-evolution over time, just as a megabyte is a combination of many bytes.

Bottom line, evolution is evolution and it refers to the changing in genetic compound.
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The big bang theory is just that, a theory and also not proven.
Dazzling in biological learning, the mutation and evolution of genetic compound is proven and thus, leads me towards the belief of evolution.
There is a reason religious is based on "faith" since faith is the requirement to believe. Upon viewing the world today as it is, I refuse to believe a God would allow such a world. All the excuses from Christian followers are simply repetitive indoctrinated parables taken from a book continuously translated over thousands of years from self righteous zealots who believe people should live as they deem acceptable. Yet, many parts of this book (thicker than the book itself) were removed as it didn't fit the zealot's agenda. Proving the existence of a higher power, beyond an image on a piece of toast, will be the turning point in my life to believe. Until then, there are far too many reasons not to believe than there are to believe.
Ok lets just take a look at some things here. First of all the big bang theory is just that a theory but actually so is the theory of evolution at least from a creation point of view. Take monkeys, apes, or chimps for example, if we evolved from any of them why are they still around? They should have evolved away right? Now I know we have all heard this example before but if you think about it can you explain it? Now lets take a look at the BIBLE yes it has been translated many many times and yes it seems to lose its original meaning with each translation but what you don't know or realize is that the original books of the bible were GOD breathed meaning it was a human that wrote the books but GOD who told them what to write. You may not know this but the BIBLE will never controdict its self and thats how you know that its all truth. AS for what kind of GOD would let such a world be like it, is well a loving GOD. We as humans and sinners make it what it is. GOD gave all of us a way out, Thus the reason for the season. He gave us his son JESUS. Just my $.02. Merry Christmas and God Bless
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Disciple wrote:
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Ok lets just take a look at some things here. First of all the big bang theory is just that a theory but actually so is the theory of evolution at least from a creation point of view. Take monkeys, apes, or chimps for example, if we evolved from any of them why are they still around? They should have evolved away right? Now I know we have all heard this example before but if you think about it can you explain it?
As I stated in my previous reply, genetic mutation and evolution can be proven, God cannot. Therefore, my reply was it "leads me more towards evolution.

Now, the facts. Neither Charles Darwin nor any reputable evolutionist ever said that humans evolved from chimpanzees or gorillas or any other ape alive today (and certainly not those angry monkeys with those blue asses). They simply claim that monkeys and humans both evolved from a common ancestor that died out millions of years ago.

There are many errors in history books/texts. Indicating the man from ape theory is clearly inaccurate along with Einstein had bad grades, Columbus thought the world was flat, mice like cheese and Napoleon was short, just to name a few.
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Now lets take a look at the BIBLE yes it has been translated many many times and yes it seems to lose its original meaning with each translation but what you don't know or realize is that the original books of the bible were GOD breathed meaning it was a human that wrote the books but GOD who told them what to write. You may not know this but the BIBLE will never controdict its self and thats how you know that its all truth. AS for what kind of GOD would let such a world be like it, is well a loving GOD. We as humans and sinners make it what it is. GOD gave all of us a way out, Thus the reason for the season. He gave us his son JESUS. Just my $.02. Merry Christmas and God Bless
Actually, I do realize the story of the origin of the Bible. I also realize it still can be be proven. As I stated, Christian followers use repetitive indoctrinated parables which were orated to them consistently in order to make believers. The contradiction rebuttal is irrelevant. Do you believe man isn't intelligent enough to understand their own writing and not take into consideration of contradictory rebuttal? Careful scrutinizing would be heeded in order to avoid accusation of falsehood. Also, it is not an indication of truth. It's simply an indication of careful writing, even though many parts of the Bible were removed. Can you explain that part?

Once again, you easily prove my statements. Your answers are those repeated from Christian generations which were taught from the zealots. A loving God doesn't allow child abuse, rape, murder, etc. when a child is yet to understand his/her surroundings and yet to choose their path in life. A loving God shouldn't make one a sinner for being born. Many people make this world a loving place due to their kindness and respect towards their fellow man, yet, I've witness many of these kind people experience violence and turmoil towards them. Therefore, I ask why? Why does a God allow this type of behavior towards those who better the world? When a survivor is found from a plane wreckage or other tragic accident, some would say it's a miracle and/or God was on your side. Why did God allow it to partake in the first place? Are they thanking God for the accident and which in many cases, alters the life of the victim forever?

To believe everyone is a sinner is ludicrous. It's simply saying you're guilty until proven innocent. That's not the type of God I want to worship. There are many people who choose their path in life and many are wrong paths, but those who choose the right path are victimized and Christians thank God (Rolls eyes).

You're .02 is appreciated, that's why it's only .02. It's embedded, rehearsed and repeated continuously until you actually believe it without question. You see, it's working.
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Disciple wrote:
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Ok lets just take a look at some things here. First of all the big bang theory is just that a theory but actually so is the theory of evolution at least from a creation point of view. Take monkeys, apes, or chimps for example, if we evolved from any of them why are they still around? They should have evolved away right? Now I know we have all heard this example before but if you think about it can you explain it?
As I stated in my previous reply, genetic mutation and evolution can be proven, God cannot. Therefore, my reply was it "leads me more towards evolution.

Now, the facts. Neither Charles Darwin nor any reputable evolutionist ever said that humans evolved from chimpanzees or gorillas or any other ape alive today (and certainly not those angry monkeys with those blue asses). They simply claim that monkeys and humans both evolved from a common ancestor that died out millions of years ago.

There are many errors in history books/texts. Indicating the man from ape theory is clearly inaccurate along with Einstein had bad grades, Columbus thought the world was flat, mice like cheese and Napoleon was short, just to name a few.
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Now lets take a look at the BIBLE yes it has been translated many many times and yes it seems to lose its original meaning with each translation but what you don't know or realize is that the original books of the bible were GOD breathed meaning it was a human that wrote the books but GOD who told them what to write. You may not know this but the BIBLE will never controdict its self and thats how you know that its all truth. AS for what kind of GOD would let such a world be like it, is well a loving GOD. We as humans and sinners make it what it is. GOD gave all of us a way out, Thus the reason for the season. He gave us his son JESUS. Just my $.02. Merry Christmas and God Bless
Actually, I do realize the story of the origin of the Bible. I also realize it still can be be proven. As I stated, Christian followers use repetitive indoctrinated parables which were orated to them consistently in order to make believers. The contradiction rebuttal is irrelevant. Do you believe man isn't intelligent enough to understand their own writing and not take into consideration of contradictory rebuttal? Careful scrutinizing would be heeded in order to avoid accusation of falsehood. Also, it is not an indication of truth. It's simply an indication of careful writing, even though many parts of the Bible were removed. Can you explain that part?

Once again, you easily prove my statements. Your answers are those repeated from Christian generations which were taught from the zealots. A loving God doesn't allow child abuse, rape, murder, etc. when a child is yet to understand his/her surroundings and yet to choose their path in life. A loving God shouldn't make one a sinner for being born. Many people make this world a loving place due to their kindness and respect towards their fellow man, yet, I've witness many of these kind people experience violence and turmoil towards them. Therefore, I ask why? Why does a God allow this type of behavior towards those who better the world? When a survivor is found from a plane wreckage or other tragic accident, some would say it's a miracle and/or God was on your side. Why did God allow it to partake in the first place? Are they thanking God for the accident and which in many cases, alters the life of the victim forever?

To believe everyone is a sinner is ludicrous. It's simply saying you're guilty until proven innocent. That's not the type of God I want to worship. There are many people who choose their path in life and many are wrong paths, but those who choose the right path are victimized and Christians thank God (Rolls eyes).

You're .02 is appreciated, that's why it's only .02. It's embedded, rehearsed and repeated continuously until you actually believe it without question. You see, it's working.
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Ok, I've tried several times to reply as a whole and in two parts to your comments, Disciple. When I posted as a whole, it didn't show up. When I posted with part one, it displayed, then I posted part 2, it overrides part 1. Perhaps the mods are Christians and hate me. Regardless, if there are many posts which eventually display, my apologies to the board.
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Crap...and there it is. (slaps forehead)
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Dec 21, 2010
 
Government Foe wrote:
Actually, I do realize the story of the origin of the Bible. I also realize it still can be be proven.
Should read "it still CANNOT be proven.

I'm on a roll today.
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Dec 21, 2010
 
The original troll must have fobbed off as this discussion got too complicated for him. Either that or he has the elders studying it and will soon reply that "you must have faith."

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