State pulls negative letter from Freshwater's file | The Columbus Dispatch

The Ohio Department of Education has removed its letter of admonishment from the disciplinary file of a fired Mount Vernon science teacher while it considers a legal challenge. Full Story
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Since: Aug 08

Mount Vernon, OH

#43 Jul 21, 2011
wgwII wrote:
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You only asked if it was OK to have a Bible on a desk. I replied. So I will ask you, would you allow a teacher to keep a Wiccan book, the Koran, a Satan Worshipping Bible? Not all of them but only one? And if that teacher had posters supporting those beliefs in the class?
Kids were taught to say "here" by the teacher. The kids didn't come up with that themselves. It happened year after year. This was a science class by the way. Not social studies or a comparitive religious class.
Thom Collier, speaking at a rally held in support of John Freshwater on the town square (5-18-08), had this to say:

"I believe that when the smoke clears and the investigations are complete, we will still have one major question that lingers before us as a community and as a society. Can a teacher have a Bible--or a Koran, for that matter--on the corner of their desk? And for the record, yes, I have a Bible on the corner of my desk in the state house.[Applause] And if I could be so bold as to borrow a quote from Charlton Heston,'Out of my cold, dead hands'."

By the way, Mr. Collier will be at an event with Mr. Freshwater this Monday:

"Our speaker is John Freshwater, eighth-grade science teacher who was fired from his position at Mount Vernon Middle School last January for allegedly using his classroom to advance Christianity. Mr. Freshwater will speak about the violation of his First Amendment rights and will update us on his lawsuit. His pastor, Don Matolyak, and his friend, Thom Collier, former member of the Ohio House of Representatives, will participate in the presentation."

(Source: mansfieldnewsjournal.com )

http://search.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/locale...
wgw

Newark, OH

#44 Jul 21, 2011
Knox wrote:
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Actually, the information that debunked the witness' testimony was the attendance records from the school. Are you against that information being available to the public?
Oh no not at all. I am saying you should allow those you condemn explanations.........
wgw

Newark, OH

#45 Jul 21, 2011
Knox wrote:
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Thom Collier, speaking at a rally held in support of John Freshwater on the town square (5-18-08), had this to say:
"I believe that when the smoke clears and the investigations are complete, we will still have one major question that lingers before us as a community and as a society. Can a teacher have a Bible--or a Koran, for that matter--on the corner of their desk? And for the record, yes, I have a Bible on the corner of my desk in the state house.[Applause] And if I could be so bold as to borrow a quote from Charlton Heston,'Out of my cold, dead hands'."
By the way, Mr. Collier will be at an event with Mr. Freshwater this Monday:
"Our speaker is John Freshwater, eighth-grade science teacher who was fired from his position at Mount Vernon Middle School last January for allegedly using his classroom to advance Christianity. Mr. Freshwater will speak about the violation of his First Amendment rights and will update us on his lawsuit. His pastor, Don Matolyak, and his friend, Thom Collier, former member of the Ohio House of Representatives, will participate in the presentation."
(Source: mansfieldnewsjournal.com )
http://search.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/locale...
And how is this relevant???

Since: Aug 08

Mount Vernon, OH

#46 Jul 23, 2011
wgw wrote:
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And how is this relevant???
You asked if it would be OK for a teacher to have a Koran on his desk. I replied.

Since: Aug 08

Mount Vernon, OH

#47 Jul 23, 2011
wgw wrote:
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Oh no not at all. I am saying you should allow those you condemn explanations.........
Who have I "condemned"? And what is the "explanation" you believe the "condemned" person should be given an opportunity to provide?

If you are referring to James Stockdale and the article "Witness impeached by school records" then the word "condemned" would not apply to the situation. I provided details from Mr. Stockdale's testimony and the information from the school records. I made no statement about Mr. Stockdale as a person. The article is about his testimony.

Also, the article includes a copy of Mr. Stockdale written explanation of the incident he said occurred in Mr. Freshwater's classroom.(Mr. Stockdale makes reference in his written statement to the fact that the reader of the statement could check the school's substitute records to find out when he was in the classroom--that's what I did. Those records show that Mr. Stockdale wasn't in the classroom as a substitute teacher.)
wgw

Newark, OH

#48 Jul 23, 2011
Knox wrote:
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You asked if it would be OK for a teacher to have a Koran on his desk. I replied.
I asked you for YOUR opinion, not someone elses opinion.
wgw

Newark, OH

#49 Jul 23, 2011
Knox wrote:
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Who have I "condemned"? And what is the "explanation" you believe the "condemned" person should be given an opportunity to provide?
If you are referring to James Stockdale and the article "Witness impeached by school records" then the word "condemned" would not apply to the situation. I provided details from Mr. Stockdale's testimony and the information from the school records. I made no statement about Mr. Stockdale as a person. The article is about his testimony.
Also, the article includes a copy of Mr. Stockdale written explanation of the incident he said occurred in Mr. Freshwater's classroom.(Mr. Stockdale makes reference in his written statement to the fact that the reader of the statement could check the school's substitute records to find out when he was in the classroom--that's what I did. Those records show that Mr. Stockdale wasn't in the classroom as a substitute teacher.)
Just like people saying they didn't know what happened to the Tesla coil, or just like someone saying No I didn't do that, then saying yes I did just not that shape..... etc etc

Since: Aug 08

Mount Vernon, OH

#50 Jul 25, 2011
wgw wrote:
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Just like people saying they didn't know what happened to the Tesla coil, or just like someone saying No I didn't do that, then saying yes I did just not that shape..... etc etc
Your comment is puzzling. Who are these "people" and what does what you say they said have to do with your previous claim that I "condemned" someone?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#51 Jul 27, 2011
Oh hai, Knoxy! Still vying for Jonny lying Freshwaters undying love I see.

By the way, have you or him managed to come up with a "scientific theory" of creationism yet?

Didn't think so.
The Dude

UK

#52 Jul 27, 2011
And for anyone interested in something other than Knoxy's take on the situation:

http://pandasthumb.org/mt/search.fcgi...
Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

#53 Feb 17, 2014
"Woe to them that call evil good and good evil." Isaiah 5:20

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