Navajo Nation without phone, internet...

Navajo Nation without phone, internet use after copper theft

There are 18 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Nov 3, 2012, titled Navajo Nation without phone, internet use after copper theft. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

Copper thieves are responsible for the loss of Internet and some phone services to what likely was thousands of users in northwest New Mexico and eastern Arizona.

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Suicide Clutch

Lees Summit, MO

#1 Nov 3, 2012
Most people on the res have no phone or internet service.Fact of the matter is a lot have no electricity,running water or heat in the house.Maybe the newspaper should do a big story on that instead of copper being ripped off.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#2 Nov 3, 2012
Oy, so many questions. First and foremost, do they have casinos? Where do those profits go? I honestly don't understand their systems. My limited understanding is the reservations are considered part of an "independent nation". If so, why are federal funds expended?

Can someone explain the relationship and where the profits from the casinos go?

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#3 Nov 3, 2012
Just left of right wrote:
Oy, so many questions. First and foremost, do they have casinos? Where do those profits go? I honestly don't understand their systems. My limited understanding is the reservations are considered part of an "independent nation". If so, why are federal funds expended?
Can someone explain the relationship and where the profits from the casinos go?
I've been saying that for years, why must the city, county, state and federal governments build, repair and take care of reservation roads and other issues.

All the more so since those casino's collect all taxes allowed by government yet DO NOT HAVE TO TURN IT OVER TO THEM.

It's time that the Native American be treated like any other American Citizen and their businesses pay the same business taxes and they turn over fuel tax, food tax and any other taxes.

OR they stop collecting them and they fix their own problems.

Will government replace copper stolen from my home? NO

Remember our great Pay to Play former triple chin give them a TWENTY-FIVE year compact, for the next 23 years they pay no increase in profits made.

We are paying for what back in the 1800s and early 1900s was at that time considered normal, it happened, get over it and move on.

Oh did I mention they get millions a year on top of the millions they make due to History before our time.

Now for the onslaught of hate against my opinion.

BRING IT ON FOOLS as it won't change how I feel and those silly icons mean nothing to me.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Nov 3, 2012
Suicide Clutch wrote:
Most people on the res have no phone or internet service.Fact of the matter is a lot have no electricity,running water or heat in the house.Maybe the newspaper should do a big story on that instead of copper being ripped off.
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the tribe gets billions of fed funding and they have their own power/communications companies. they are a sovereign nation unto itself and outside companies are not allowed access or money from the tribal treasury.
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notwithstanding is that the idiots that cut and stole the cable thinking they could sell the copper found out it was a fiber optics cable and they won't be able to sell glass. not the brightest bulbs in the rez pack.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Nov 3, 2012
Just left of right wrote:
Oy, so many questions. First and foremost, do they have casinos? Where do those profits go? I honestly don't understand their systems. My limited understanding is the reservations are considered part of an "independent nation". If so, why are federal funds expended?
Can someone explain the relationship and where the profits from the casinos go?
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yep, the navs have a couple of casinos, one of the newest opened this year by Farmington. With a past navajo nation prez sent to fed prison for stealing funds, the shiprock fair money scandals, you can guess where the money goes, NOT to the navajos that need roads and utilities.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#6 Nov 3, 2012
Hopefully those who stole the copper cables get caught and strung up.

Oh wait we are not allowed Vigilante stuff anymore so catch them, give them a few years of hard labor down in AZ and if they have not learned their lesson send them back to prison.

Yes even for copper wire they need to do some time.

As for the reservations, take care of your own problems.

OR start paying to have it done.

Strange thing about Indian Casino's, only those who run it and the leaders really get paid big money, those fair down the list get pennies or nothing.

Why so many still live in poverty.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#7 Nov 3, 2012
None of the Indian casinos get any of my hard-earned money.

I used to play the nickel slots for a max loss of $20 when I had business in Las Vegas but, since I always lost and never got any value of entertainment, I stopped doing even that.
Calling It Like It Is

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Nov 3, 2012
It looks like they'll have to revert back to using smoke signals in order to communicate long distance.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#9 Nov 3, 2012
Lobo Viejo wrote:
None of the Indian casinos get any of my hard-earned money.
I used to play the nickel slots for a max loss of $20 when I had business in Las Vegas but, since I always lost and never got any value of entertainment, I stopped doing even that.
Vegas I like, always stayed downtown free, enjoyed watching the people looking at the light show every evening and played a little, win or not.

Always stopped at the State Line Whiskey Pete's overnight and play the dollar slots and almost always won what we took back, not always but almost.

Don't care to support non-tax paying Americans businesses like the Indian casino's.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#10 Nov 4, 2012
lolol wrote:
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the tribe gets billions of fed funding and they have their own power/communications companies. they are a sovereign nation unto itself and outside companies are not allowed access or money from the tribal treasury.
.
notwithstanding is that the idiots that cut and stole the cable thinking they could sell the copper found out it was a fiber optics cable and they won't be able to sell glass. not the brightest bulbs in the rez pack.
Come on now, you really don't expect some of the tribes to use what funding the gen for the betterment of the entire tribes life do you?

Got casino's? Then get rid of the government subsidy!!!

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#11 Nov 4, 2012
Copper should be a regulated substance. Clearly, its theft leads to drug use and all sorts of other bad things, like boring articles in the paper and stories on TV. Of course if your copper has been stolen and you have no TV or internet, those stories don't reach you anyway.

Now, we could legalize recreational drugs, eliminating the need for stealing copper, but that would throw tens of thousands of law enforcement people out of work (not to mention lawyers and prison guards). It would also force news organizations to find real news to report, instead of the same crap every day.

So forget I said anything.
Calling It Like It Is

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Nov 4, 2012
walterfm wrote:
Copper should be a regulated substance.
What an excellent idea because then eventually you'll be forced to show your ID before you can buy an electronic device that would allow you to post your stupid ideas.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#13 Nov 4, 2012
It's to bad that they cannot develop a man made substitute for copper or find another metal that will do the same thing.

They did for steel pipes, well most of them now use plastic except for the hot water heater which still uses copper.

Just think how much cheaper it would be if a true substitute were found.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#14 Nov 5, 2012
walterfm wrote:
Copper should be a regulated substance. Clearly, its theft leads to drug use and all sorts of other bad things, like boring articles in the paper and stories on TV.
Most amusing, copper leads to drug use huh? You certainly have an overactive imagination. So have you traded in your tin foil had for a copper one wally? Time to break out the tooth brush, baking soda and water to clean off the corrosion on yours.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#15 Nov 5, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
It's to bad that they cannot develop a man made substitute for copper or find another metal that will do the same thing.
They did for steel pipes, well most of them now use plastic except for the hot water heater which still uses copper.
Just think how much cheaper it would be if a true substitute were found.
I'm sure one exists but the expense will be the deciding factor given that they'll want full repayment for all R&D within a year, which will never happen. So for the time being we'll use copper.

Where the true problem lies is with the recyclers who buy it from the thieves, thereby making them criminals too.

But since this theft was fiber optic cable instead of copper, perhaps it should be regulated<sigh>...
jojo

Maywood, CA

#16 Nov 5, 2012
Back to using smoke signals i guess.

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#17 Nov 8, 2012
Calling It Like It Is wrote:
<quoted text>
What an excellent idea because then eventually you'll be forced to show your ID before you can buy an electronic device that would allow you to post your stupid ideas.
How are things in RR? You reach the end of the line yet?

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#18 Nov 8, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
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Most amusing, copper leads to drug use huh? You certainly have an overactive imagination. So have you traded in your tin foil had for a copper one wally? Time to break out the tooth brush, baking soda and water to clean off the corrosion on yours.
Have you voted yet? There's still time! They haven't reached the end of the line in Rio Rancho yet.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!

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