Diversity sets NM apart

[Crazy like a fox]

Crazy Like a Fox wrote:

Seems to me the whole "diversity" mantra spouted by liberals everywhere does nothing to strengthen us as a country. Strength comes through common bonds, not focusing on differences. The focus on "diversity" has created more problems than it attests to solving. Personally I could give a rats @zz about someone's ethnicity. Are they a good human being? Are they responsible, caring individuals? And yet we are told that because someone has a different culture, it is automatically good for me. Who waved their magic wand and proclaimed this unnatural focus on differences a good thing? As far as I am concerned you can take this "diversity" propaganda that we are being force fed and send it down the road with racist programs like affirmative action.

To those of you who thought my comments "incindiary" or "nuts" all I have to say is this. Prove me wrong. Since when is it nuts to look at the person as a human being and not have to categorize everyone? Since when is it wrong to say "I will hire the best qualified regardless of the color of his/her skin"? A house is held together by its common parts - a wall on its own has no merit unless it is joined by a common force with another wall....build on our COMMONALITIES instead of this insane urge to categorize everyone and then proclaim that you are doing everyone good by doing so....

[That]

Clay T wrote:

<quoted text>
It's the way it has always been. What's new is the anonymity of a computer which makes it possible for people to say what they feel without repercussions.

is a factor , but I do think there has been a real revival in all things regressive and a conscious promotion of anything that keeps people at each other's throats and destroys community.

[NoWay]

PlacitasRoy wrote:

It has made him a more rounded individual with greater empathy and tolerance.

Hah! If you are exposing your kids to the same rhetoric you spew here, the only 'tolerance' they will develop is tolerance for liberal idiocy.

[SlaveToTheMasses]

Bedrock Bob wrote:

<quoted text>
Man you hit that one on the head! If the people are not divided against each other they are strong and our politicians are weak. If the people are divided the politicians are strong and the peole are weak.
Our diversity of opinion was once our greatest strength. we have allowed them to create a situation where our greatest strength works against us.
It is partisan karate and this country has taken a blow to the head. I honesty dont believe that the radicals on either side of the aisle see this at all. They seem to be oblivious that we are doing exactly the thing that makes us weak. We are dividing ourselves against each other.
We disagree fundamentally but I respect and honor your opinion because I see the merit in your thinking. I know you extend the same respect to me. I appreciate that and consider it to be a fine example of patriotism. It is people who can see past the partisan fight that has been scheduled for us that will be able to rise above.
United we stand, divided we fall. One nation, under God, indivisible.

I disagree with quite a few of your posts but this is spot on Bob.

As OW says, R=D. I hope to see in my lifetime the mass realization of this and a return of the power to the people from the entrenched establishment that is giving us ALL the shaft, and laughing all the way to the bank while doing so

[Ja Nez]

CatCiao wrote:

<quoted text>
Really well said Bedrock. This "separatist" ideology undermines the fabric of this country, and the health of our nation.

Explain how you equate "diversity" with "separatism". Why is being proud of one's heritage (being diverse), automatically define one as a "separatist"? Your pic looks like a white person, are you not proud of your heritage? Are you then immediately a "white separatist"?

I am a Native American that proudly served my country in the military, and I saw many many "minorities" doing the same. Some came home alive, others in body bags or crippled. They were all welcomed home as heroes by proud parents, spouses, etc. But at the same time, all to a one, were proud of their heritage. Are they "separatists" for that?

I and my family are proud of our heritage, but we've served our country, we pay taxes, mortgages, and of course we root for the Cowboys!

[CatCiao]

Ja Nez wrote:

<quoted text>
Explain how you equate "diversity" with "separatism". Why is being proud of one's heritage (being diverse), automatically define one as a "separatist"? Your pic looks like a white person, are you not proud of your heritage? Are you then immediately a "white separatist"?
I am a Native American that proudly served my country in the military, and I saw many many "minorities" doing the same. Some came home alive, others in body bags or crippled. They were all welcomed home as heroes by proud parents, spouses, etc. But at the same time, all to a one, were proud of their heritage. Are they "separatists" for that?
I and my family are proud of our heritage, but we've served our country, we pay taxes, mortgages, and of course we root for the Cowboys!

I don't equate diversity with separatism. You are making an assumption, and a poor one at that. Yes I am white. I am no longer allowed, in this climate, to voice my pride with my heritage. That makes me a racist.

I was responding to this sentence Of Bedrock Bob's: "Adn people now days are finding ANY reason to exclude themselves and identify with exclusive groups based on religion, political affiliation, ethnicity, nationality, and economic status. we are as divided as hell because we WANT to be divided."

I love the diversity in this country, and the unique quality it gives our nation. You and I haven't conversed, but I have said that many times on these forums. But we all have one unifying trait that many don't want to pay attention to, or acknowledge. We are Americans. We should be working towards unity and not division. And nobody has to give up their culture to do that. No one SHOULD give up their culture or heritage. You are a proud American who has served his country. I thank you for that.

[noworries]

Robert Martinez Aztec wrote:

I think that the New Mexico and federal goverment should add Hispanic to the census and all documents. I am not a other race or white, I am and always will be proud of my hispanic heritage and want to be counted as one, on all documents in all branches of the goverment

don't worry Robert...you get PLENTY of airtime and are "counted" all the time on LOTS of documents in ALL branches of govt. TRUST ME.

[Fed up in NM]

CatCiao wrote:

<quoted text>
I don't equate diversity with separatism. You are making an assumption, and a poor one at that. Yes I am white. I am no longer allowed, in this climate, to voice my pride with my heritage. That makes me a racist.
I was responding to this sentence Of Bedrock Bob's: "Adn people now days are finding ANY reason to exclude themselves and identify with exclusive groups based on religion, political affiliation, ethnicity, nationality, and economic status. we are as divided as hell because we WANT to be divided."
I love the diversity in this country, and the unique quality it gives our nation. You and I haven't conversed, but I have said that many times on these forums. But we all have one unifying trait that many don't want to pay attention to, or acknowledge. We are Americans. We should be working towards unity and not division. And nobody has to give up their culture to do that. No one SHOULD give up their culture or heritage. You are a proud American who has served his country. I thank you for that.

Did you catch that Kevin Bacon special last night showing how closely we are all related and how our DNA can actually trace us to origins we totally do not expect?

[Ja Nez]

CatCiao wrote:

<quoted text>I don't equate diversity with separatism.

Sorry, I'm not convinced. You complimented BB, in part, for his goofy assertion that somehow those people, such as Hispanics, "isolate" or "exclude" themselves for a silly reason (because, he asserts that Hispanic is not a race rather just an ethnicity), and therefore they must have some other ulterior motive, like,(he snidely says) "racism". Blather.

He then goes on to assert that those people that pick "any reason" (including heritage) are, in fact, using a trivial reason to "exclude" themselves. From what, he doesn't elaborate. I assume he means from those things that make this great country: Service, paying taxes, etc. On this specific goofy asinine point, you enthusiastically clapped your hands. Blather times two. I know many "minorities" including myself that are very proud of their heritage but also fully participate in the pursuit of the American dream.

Oh, and why can't you assert pride in your heritage? LOL. Welcome to the deep end!

[CatCiao]

Ja Nez wrote:

<quoted text>
Sorry, I'm not convinced. You complimented BB, in part, for his goofy assertion that somehow those people, such as Hispanics, "isolate" or "exclude" themselves for a silly reason (because, he asserts that Hispanic is not a race rather just an ethnicity), and therefore they must have some other ulterior motive, like,(he snidely says) "racism". Blather.
He then goes on to assert that those people that pick "any reason" (including heritage) are, in fact, using a trivial reason to "exclude" themselves. From what, he doesn't elaborate. I assume he means from those things that make this great country: Service, paying taxes, etc. On this specific goofy asinine point, you enthusiastically clapped your hands. Blather times two. I know many "minorities" including myself that are very proud of their heritage but also fully participate in the pursuit of the American dream.
Oh, and why can't you assert pride in your heritage? LOL. Welcome to the deep end!

Well, I certainly won't try to speak for Bedrock. He is more than capable of explaining his position. I think in reality, we are in "violent agreement" as they say. I am agreeing with you that many are proud of their heritage while fully participating as American citizens. I do not happen to think those two things are mutually exclusive, and it's unfortunate you choose not to believe me when I say that. If you think BB was speaking only of Hispanics, then you are wrong. This division happens at all levels, not the least of which, in the political arena.

You laugh because you realize it is no longer politically correct for me to express pride in my heritage, of which you know nothing. I'm glad you get pleasure from that. Living in New Mexico, the pride of Hispanics and Native Americans is strong, and I applaud that. It's a shame you don't feel the same way about mine.

[Abbott]

Bedrock Bob wrote:

<quoted text>
You completely misunderstood my post. Your synopsis is comletely different than my intended message. I suggest you read it again with an open mind. If you still cant understand the intent of my post then lets talk about it. Opining to someone who did not write the post is like tossing an apple and expecting to catch an orange dont you think?

Ja Nez is one of Melanie Many Monikers clones. This troll's hobby is to start flame wars on various discussions boards to garner attention. He/she spends all day every day serving that aberration. Melanie is not interested in debating any issue seriously hence the vacuous comments. Her/his main purpose is to cause trouble.

[Abbott]

Crazy like a fox wrote:

<quoted text> To those of you who thought my comments "incindiary" or "nuts" all I have to say is this. Prove me wrong. Since when is it nuts to look at the person as a human being and not have to categorize everyone?

It's not wrong. It's human nature.

[CatCiao]

Abbott wrote:

<quoted text>
Ja Nez is one of Melanie Many Monikers clones. This troll's hobby is to start flame wars on various discussions boards to garner attention. He/she spends all day every day serving that aberration. Melanie is not interested in debating any issue seriously hence the vacuous comments. Her/his main purpose is to cause trouble.

Oh heck. I should have remembered that. I won't forget again.

[Lowglow]

I just can't figure out how you even finished High School because your just ignorant and you don't pay attention, so let me re-post verbatim what I said in my post.

See page 1, question 8 on the census form, it clearly ask if your Hispanic and what type of Hispanic you are.

Although they claim "Hispanic" is not a race, then why do they ask on the form if you are ?, hmmm.

now read it again, I said " Although they claim "Hispanic" is not a race" pay attention kid.

Now I'm a Hispanic and I think and call my race " Hispanic", why ?, because I look nothing like any other race accept Hispanic, when people look at me, they say " That Guy is Hispanic", they don't say " that dude is White, Asian, Indian etc, they call me Hispanic.

Now on the Census report they clearly ask what type of Hispanic you are, however why do they not ask Asians what kind of Asians they are or White people what kind of White people they are ? Hmmm,

No they divide Asians up into many races and they do not ask them if they are Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Indonesian etc, nor do they ask White people if they are Greek, Germanic, Roman, Italian, Slovak etc, so my point is, your stupid.
BTW, stop being a damn racist, I declare my Race as Puerto Rican/ Hispanic but when it comes down to it, I'm an American first and if you don't like it, Kiss my Butt.

It is wrote:

As usual wrote:

<quoted text>
you can never tell the truth about anything.
"For this census, Hispanic origins are not races."

[Lowglow]

I hate it when White people like you acting like you know everything about other races when you have no idea what your talking about.

Ja Nez wrote:

<quoted text>
Explain how you equate "diversity" with "separatism". Why is being proud of one's heritage (being diverse), automatically define one as a "separatist"? Your pic looks like a white person, are you not proud of your heritage? Are you then immediately a "white separatist"?
I am a Native American that proudly served my country in the military, and I saw many many "minorities" doing the same. Some came home alive, others in body bags or crippled. They were all welcomed home as heroes by proud parents, spouses, etc. But at the same time, all to a one, were proud of their heritage. Are they "separatists" for that?
I and my family are proud of our heritage, but we've served our country, we pay taxes, mortgages, and of course we root for the Cowboys!

[Lowglow]

Bed rock,
I understood every single word you said and you made perfect sense, so don't worry about it, because the person nagging on you is a White person that has no idea what they are talking about nor do they know what your talking about.

It's pretty clear by your comments you were not against " diversity" in itself, you were merely pointing out how our races separate ourselves from each other, instead of getting together to learn from each other, and I agree with you 100%, we do Not do this near enough and I guess I understand you more because I will admit, almost all my friends are white, even though I'm Hispanic, and not because I am a traitor to my race or anything like that, it's because of the population were I live is mostly white with the exception of a few folks that are from Mexico that I can not relate too because even our language, although is Spanish, our dialects are so different, we can't hardly understand each other anyways.

Bedrock Bob wrote:

<quoted text>
You completely misunderstood my post. Your synopsis is comletely different than my intended message. I suggest you read it again with an open mind. If you still cant understand the intent of my post then lets talk about it. Opining to someone who did not write the post is like tossing an apple and expecting to catch an orange dont you think?

[PlacitasRoy]

Lowglow wrote:

8. Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?
Question 8 on the census form clearly ask a person if they are Hispanic
<quoted text>

That's EXACTLY what I posted. So what's your point? Not a damn thing about Hispanic being a race!

You are the one who claimed Hispanic was a race, not me.

You want to know why the question was asked, I would assume that the census information was collected primarily to monitor the redistricting, to comply with Voting Rights law....ensuring they are not gerrymandered out of representation. Just a guess. OR maybe it was so they can be rounded up and deported as the teabaggers would like. OR maybe, so the White Supremacists would know what time-line they are on before they are no longer the minority. OR maybe, so school districts would know how many sacks of pinto beans to order.

Your original comment #48:

”Well when I filled out my census paperwork, I as an Hispanic skipped it and simply wrote in " American".

“ Now I am proud on my race and I think every human being should be proud of thier races, but to use it as Government metric to decide who gets what, is simply wrong and causes divisions among us.”

[PlacitasRoy]

CatCiao wrote:

<quoted text>Well, I certainly won't try to speak for Bedrock. He is more than capable of explaining his position. I think in reality, we are in "violent agreement" as they say. I am agreeing with you that many are proud of their heritage while fully participating as American citizens. I do not happen to think those two things are mutually exclusive, and it's unfortunate you choose not to believe me when I say that. If you think BB was speaking only of Hispanics, then you are wrong. This division happens at all levels, not the least of which, in the political arena.
You laugh because you realize it is no longer politically correct for me to express pride in my heritage, of which you know nothing. I'm glad you get pleasure from that. Living in New Mexico, the pride of Hispanics and Native Americans is strong, and I applaud that. It's a shame you don't feel the same way about mine.

The use of the term 'PC' or 'Political Correctness' is simply a propaganda talking point used by those who lack the mental capability to make a valid argument. It is typically nothing more than a weak attempt to ridicule fair and understanding treatment of others as some destructive liberal weakness while expressing various forms of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, male chauvinism, and bigotry.