Angry caravan rambles through county to fight junk ordinance

Upset county residents puttered their classic cars through San Juan County on Saturday afternoon in protest of a county junk ordinance, which county commissioners are slated to vote on Tuesday night. Full Story
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Oh good grief

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Jan 30, 2011
If "This is a car-oriented town", what he's really saying is we are a "junk hoarding" town. Organize a central location like the scrap yards, where everyone gets the "hot rod" "keepsakes" out of every yard in the county. People who drive through our county do not think we are "artists". They think as I do that there are lot of junk collectors who in the name of "car rebuilding" have let the junk and keepsakes rule them. Other around are trying to upkeep their property and no matter what they do the next door neighbor can collect junk all around them and there are no consequences. Organize and share all the car gems, but at the scrapyards.
Dawg

Bloomfield, NM

#3 Jan 30, 2011
You know the sad thing is the guy who started all this, Keith John, is not even on the commission anymore, I bet he shows up to just flip off everyone and laugh as they pass this law.
stoptheinsanity

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Jan 30, 2011
Time to clean the County up!!
Paladin

United States

#5 Jan 30, 2011
stoptheinsanity wrote:
Time to clean the County up!!
Start with the county Commissioners and their real estate/developer buddies.
Hey Now

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Jan 30, 2011
What's wrong with Honda Civics? I'm going to protest the protesters in the name of Honda Civic preudice, they obviously hate Honda Civics and are violating my cars rights to lead a happy peaceful life.
Mixed

Farmington, NM

#7 Jan 30, 2011
This is a tough issue because I see both sides of the issue. There is however a need to say enough is enough. I see people piling trash on their land to the point of endangering of their neighbors. I see other who collect, restore,and/or resell old cars/tractors/equipment. I have looked to purchase a beautiful home in the county only to walk away due to the trashed out neighboring places.
Hoarding in America is...... a problem.
County resident

Rio Rancho, NM

#8 Jan 30, 2011
San Juan County is one of the few counties that still allows people to store their junk. It is an eyesore and does reduce their neighbors property value. I don't believe that the majority of these people are restoring these cars. I am proud that the County Commissioners are finally doing something about it. The supporters of this ordinance need to be at the County Commission meeting to show that there are far more that believe that this is the right thing to do.
radioactive

New River, AZ

#9 Jan 30, 2011
It should be nice to be proud of one's community and still enjoy the country life. However, I was embarrassed driving, a family friend from beautiful Snowmass, Colorado, through the junk cars / trailers lined roads of western San Juan county. I like living here, for the most part but the man made landscape could use a major clean-up.
my name is earl

United States

#10 Jan 30, 2011
Zoning for home owners is good, junk collectors bad. There is a great house in LaPlata, but is next to a junk yard. Value is reduced by 40%. I don't even support having 3 cars. If they are so valuable put them into a building. My kids won't move back after living in another NM county, they say it is too trashy. Sorry but true. IMO
Impartial

Bernalillo, NM

#11 Jan 30, 2011
I cannot understand why people fight to live like pigs.
Other people in other states restore cars too, but they don't turn their properties into junk yards to do it.
It ruins a neighborhood. There were 50 cars protesting, there are THOUSANDS that are sick and tired of looking at other peoples junk.
Junk piles are homes to rats, mice, ferral cats, spiders, and even skunks who carry rabies.
GET RID OF THE JUNK IN SAN JUAN COUNTY!
santa

Placitas, NM

#12 Jan 30, 2011
Get rid of the junk and trash and take the owners with it. This just boils down to the fact that people do not care that they have turned the county into a dump. If these pigs don't like it they can go away. Zoning is on the way so get used to it. PASS THE ORDINANCE NOW !!!!
CIA

United States

#13 Jan 30, 2011
Unalienable property rights are fundamental in the protection against feudal/ruler tyranny. John Adams warned that such tyranny is the inevitable result of losing the inalienable right to own and use land unencumbered by government interference,

Thomas Jefferson based our U.S. Constitution on unalienable rights and called it the People's Law. People are first protected by unalienable rights. Secondly they hold all power. The people then allocate a part of that power first to local government, then to state government, and finally to the federal government, with the latter having the least power of all.

Unalienable property rights were to be limited only by the 1) right of imminent domain for the public good -- but only with "just compensation" as defined by the Fifth Amendment, or 2) common law concept of harm and nuisance. The latter was intended to be invoked only at the local level where zoning was under direct control of the people affected. It could only be used where definable harm to another person's health or property value could be demonstrated. Further loss of property rights leads to abuse.

If the county commission wants to enforce a new ordinance maybe persons affected by it should be grandfathered in. Im sure they have a list of property owners this is geared towards. It wasnt an issue before. Now the County wants to take action? I wonder what well to do person is the driving force behind this.
Cooter

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jan 30, 2011
Ya get what you pay for when you live out in the county. Why some people build show place houses out there is beyond me.
Ron

Santa Fe, NM

#15 Jan 30, 2011
Zoning in San juan county is needed, all the junk lower your propery value, it looks bad. I have an old pickup I'm going to restore, but I put the truck in a building,so the neighbor wont have to look at it.
GET RID OF THE JUNK IN SAN JUAN COUNTY!
At least be honest

Tularosa, NM

#16 Jan 30, 2011
Impartial wrote:
I cannot understand why people fight to live like pigs.
Other people in other states restore cars too, but they don't turn their properties into junk yards to do it.
It ruins a neighborhood. There were 50 cars protesting, there are THOUSANDS that are sick and tired of looking at other peoples junk.
Junk piles are homes to rats, mice, ferral cats, spiders, and even skunks who carry rabies.
GET RID OF THE JUNK IN SAN JUAN COUNTY!
You write about "rats, mice, ferral cats, spiders, and even skunks" being caused by junked cars. Got news for you dumb A$$, all those things were rampant in the county, before it became so populated. My dad had a place along the river, no neighbors for miles on either side---and the skunks were a constant problem. Then after we got neighbors and all their junk, we don't see skunks at all.
Same thing with rodents, they aren't nearly the problem they were before we got trashy neighbors. Take a walk along the river and just notice the spiderwebs among the vegetation. Spiders are everywhere.
I admit junk isn't pretty, but don't try to trump up charges against it. It's bad enough that it's an eyesore.
As for feral cats---guess what, they keep down the rodent and spider population big time. If you're afraid of hanta virus, keep a few cats and they will eliminate the birus carrying deer mice.
perspective

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Jan 30, 2011
Can't a person stand naked in their yard doing vile things? It is their "private property."
Can't a person grow marijuana and sell it as long as it's in their yard if they want? After all, it is their "private property."
Can't a person drill an oilwell with no environmental concern on their own private property without government intervention? It IS their "private property."
Can't a person beat the snot out of his wife in kids in the privacy of his own home? After all it IS his "private property."
Can't a person hoard junk cars and trash in their yard attracting snakes and mice for his neighbors to deal with, all the while decreasing the value of the neighborhood? After all, it IS his "private property."
Pro D P

Los Alamos, NM

#18 Jan 30, 2011
First. I think that people that do not live here should keep their opinon to themselves this is an issue for the local citizens to take care of, not someone from another state nor in another part of NM. I know we have a junk problem in SJ I am an ex-Realtor. It is hard to sell real estate in the county because of this problem. If we granfather in the properties that now exist with the multi cars on the property and just get rid of the other junk refridgeraters and other like junk, and pass an ordinance allowing no more of this to go on, and if a property changes ownership it has to be cleaned up this problem would be resolved in a few years, without hurting the car hoaders right now. I also wonder about these places being used as a place of business without a license or paying taxes on such sales of parts. Whoops maybe it is time to investigate a little further these people and what they are doing and are they actually in business??
At least be honest

Tularosa, NM

#19 Jan 30, 2011
perspective wrote:
Can't a person stand naked in their yard doing vile things? It is their "private property."
Can't a person grow marijuana and sell it as long as it's in their yard if they want? After all, it is their "private property."
Can't a person drill an oilwell with no environmental concern on their own private property without government intervention? It IS their "private property."
Can't a person beat the snot out of his wife in kids in the privacy of his own home? After all it IS his "private property."
Can't a person hoard junk cars and trash in their yard attracting snakes and mice for his neighbors to deal with, all the while decreasing the value of the neighborhood? After all, it IS his "private property."
False analogy...you're compairing criminal activities with lifestyle that is not yet illegal.
Dumpster divers

Albuquerque, NM

#20 Jan 30, 2011
if you want to be salvage yard and collect junk put up your fence so we dont have to see it... and just look at it as the cost of owning your business. A1 Salvage, HWY 64 and Singltons you are all eyesores A1 salvage guy soooo sorry it will cost you $150,000 for your fence maybe you should of used the money on your fence instead of that big RV you have
Nix

Tularosa, NM

#21 Jan 30, 2011
Dumpster divers wrote:
if you want to be salvage yard and collect junk put up your fence so we dont have to see it... and just look at it as the cost of owning your business. A1 Salvage, HWY 64 and Singltons you are all eyesores A1 salvage guy soooo sorry it will cost you $150,000 for your fence maybe you should of used the money on your fence instead of that big RV you have
Don't knock A1 Salvage, for 3 generations our family has found parts we need at their yard.

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