Gringo

Baltimore, MD

#47731 Mar 3, 2013
Pencil-pushers of the world unite against nerd persecution by the ignorant Obama hating racists.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#47733 Mar 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
So you tune into the 11pm news to get the 5-day climate forecast, do you?
LOL! If you don't even know the difference between climate and weather, it's no wonder you believe there's legitimate scientific controversy regarding man-made global warming - you are embarrassingly uninformed/misinformed about climate and climate change.
Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University
William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University
Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa
Farnsworth

Baltimore, MD

#47734 Mar 3, 2013
Never heard of them....

Since: Jul 12

Portland, Oregon

#47735 Mar 3, 2013
Johny, more propaganda fiction you bought as truth, huh? If the fixed news network buys it, it must be true, huh? How many of your experts get paid by big oil inc?

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#47736 Mar 3, 2013
A partial list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported:

NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwar...
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/inde...
National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warmi...
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)– http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_futu...
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
The Royal Society of the UK (RS)– http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp...
American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_cha...
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangere...
American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies....
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html

Every major scientific institution dealing with climate, ocean, and/or atmosphere agrees that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is human CO2 emissions.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47737 Mar 3, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University
William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University
Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa
Okay.

So?

99% of climate scientists acknowledge man-made global warming. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with man-made global warming. Your list of 15 names means nothing in light of that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47738 Mar 3, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University
William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University
Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa
Why Climate Deniers Have No Scientific Credibility - In One Pie Chart

I searched the Web of Science for peer-reviewed scientific articles published between 1 January 1991 and 9 November 2012 that have the keyword phrases "global warming" or "global climate change." The search produced 13,950 articles.
...
24 of the 13,950 articles, 0.17% or 1 in 581, clearly reject global warming or endorse a cause other than CO2 emissions for observed warming.

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24 of 13,950 peer-reviewed scientific articles.

So, sure you can list 15 names. BFD.

That doesn't change the fact that there is that nearly 100% of all scientists agree that the earth is warming and that human activities are the cause.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47739 Mar 3, 2013
Why Climate Deniers Have No Scientific Credibility - In One Pie Chart

http://www.desmogblog.com/2012/11/15/why-clim...
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#47744 Mar 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Why Climate Deniers Have No Scientific Credibility - In One Pie Chart
I searched the Web of Science for peer-reviewed scientific articles published between 1 January 1991 and 9 November 2012 that have the keyword phrases "global warming" or "global climate change." The search produced 13,950 articles.
...
24 of the 13,950 articles, 0.17% or 1 in 581, clearly reject global warming or endorse a cause other than CO2 emissions for observed warming.
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24 of 13,950 peer-reviewed scientific articles.
So, sure you can list 15 names. BFD.
That doesn't change the fact that there is that nearly 100% of all scientists agree that the earth is warming and that human activities are the cause.
So, when you fools ban all usage of fossil fuels and the Earth still becomes warmer (or colder) because of solar activity, who will you blame?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47745 Mar 3, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
So, when you fools ban all usage of fossil fuels and the Earth still becomes warmer (or colder) because of solar activity, who will you blame?
When it's due to solar activity, we'll blame the sun.

But when it's due to the activities of humans, we blame the humans.

See, that's what rational, intelligent people who believe in science do - we blame the thing that actually causes the phenomenon instead of denying objective, verifiable reality.
jmdammit

Greensburg, PA

#47746 Mar 3, 2013
Regarding the titie of this thread,I supported Jack Wagner.He doesn't cause global warming.
jmdammit

Greensburg, PA

#47748 Mar 3, 2013
As to global warming,in the winter of '76-'77,climate experts were warning of a new iceage.in the 1400's 99.9% of scientists were sure the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.The earth has been thru warming and cooling cycles for millions of years.At one time there were palm trees in Greenland,at another there were glaciers in Mexico.Manmade global warming? We may contribute,but cause it? There may be consensus on the THEORY,but not on it as a fact.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47749 Mar 3, 2013
jmdammit wrote:
As to global warming,in the winter of '76-'77,climate experts were warning of a new iceage.in the 1400's 99.9% of scientists were sure the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.The earth has been thru warming and cooling cycles for millions of years.At one time there were palm trees in Greenland,at another there were glaciers in Mexico.Manmade global warming? We may contribute,but cause it? There may be consensus on the THEORY,but not on it as a fact.
In the 1970s there were a few articles saying the world was cooling based on some cooling from pollution in the atmosphere. It was not the consensus of 99% of climate scientists based on broad, comprehensive, overwhelming evidence like we have today.

Any "scientists" who believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth abandoned that belief in the face of evidence disproving it. Within several decades, no scientists believed that anymore.

The earth has warmed and cooled in the past due to natural events. The scientific evidence shows that. That doesn't change that the scientific evidence today shows that it's warming due to the actions of humans.

Getting hung up on the word "theory" reveals your ignorance of science. Man-made global warming is as close to a fact as you get in science.
jmdammit

Greensburg, PA

#47750 Mar 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
In the 1970s there were a few articles saying the world was cooling based on some cooling from pollution in the atmosphere. It was not the consensus of 99% of climate scientists based on broad, comprehensive, overwhelming evidence like we have today.
Any "scientists" who believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth abandoned that belief in the face of evidence disproving it. Within several decades, no scientists believed that anymore.
The earth has warmed and cooled in the past due to natural events. The scientific evidence shows that. That doesn't change that the scientific evidence today shows that it's warming due to the actions of humans.
Getting hung up on the word "theory" reveals your ignorance of science. Man-made global warming is as close to a fact as you get in science.
"as CLOSE to a fact AS YOU GET in SCIENCE." I was educated to believe that science was about proven facts,not CLOSE TO A FACT.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47751 Mar 3, 2013
jmdammit wrote:
<quoted text>"as CLOSE to a fact AS YOU GET in SCIENCE." I was educated to believe that science was about proven facts,not CLOSE TO A FACT.
Then you were miseducated.
Bender

Clearfield, PA

#47752 Mar 3, 2013
Farnsworth wrote:
Never heard of them....
Why am I not surprised?
jmdammit

Greensburg, PA

#47753 Mar 3, 2013
Back to the original thread,global warming isn't Jack Wagner's fault.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#47754 Mar 3, 2013
jmdammit wrote:
<quoted text>"as CLOSE to a fact AS YOU GET in SCIENCE." I was educated to believe that science was about proven facts,not CLOSE TO A FACT.
Here's an opportunity for you to become more educated...

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Definitions of Fact, Theory, and Law in Scientific Work

Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.

- Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.

- Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.

- Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.

- Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitio...

Since: Feb 13

Norwood, PA

#47757 Mar 3, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
It may seem like an email address is required, but it is not.
But knock yourself out if this is of critical importance to you.
It is of importance to me. After the new budget was put into place last year in PA and all the funding for programs that helped out the needy and those in poverty had to be cut almost to nothing,while the programs and funding going to those in bed with The Governor and republican interest all staid in tact and got more funding. Now to also use a web based tax payer funded website to spread republican propaganda and a agenda is unlawful and makes me sick. I would be just as sick if a Independent or democrat was doing the same. It is the principle that matters to me, not the bi-partisan bullshit.
jmdammit

Greensburg, PA

#47758 Mar 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's an opportunity for you to become more educated...
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Definitions of Fact, Theory, and Law in Scientific Work
Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.
- Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
- Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.
- Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.
- Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.
http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitio...
Still just a theory,albeit a widely accepted one.Much like the Big Bang THEORY.I'm not disagreeing with your theory,just pointing out that it's not proven FACT.and it's still not Jack Wagner's fault.

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