Why you should vote for Obama and not...

Why you should vote for Obama and not Romney

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Crazy

New Haven, WV

#1 Oct 24, 2012
Obama pointed to a recent study of Romney's approach by the independent Tax Policy Center that speculated that, to pay for his proposed tax cut on the wealthiest Americans, the former Massachusetts Governor Romney would have to end popular measures like the mortgage and child deductions and the Earned Income Tax Credit — which chiefly middle-class and poor Americans.

I don't know about anyone else but I depend on the mortgage and child deductions. I work my butt off every day and do not want to see these deductions disappear. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the poor are voting for Romney, they will be getting rid of their meal ticket if they vote for Romney. At least Obama cares for the poor.
IlovemesomeMitt

Columbus, OH

#2 Oct 24, 2012
If that is your only reason, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It kills me that people get stuck on one single issue--there are a lot of things wrong with this country. When I am presented with two evils, I chose the one I haven't tried before--Romney 2012!
stupid

Racine, OH

#3 Oct 24, 2012
IlovemesomeMitt wrote:
If that is your only reason, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It kills me that people get stuck on one single issue--there are a lot of things wrong with this country. When I am presented with two evils, I chose the one I haven't tried before--Romney 2012!
And if THAT is your only explanation as to why you're choosing Romney, maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to vote! What kills me is that people like you are voting for him just because its a "different guy" rather than actually educating yourselves on the facts.

Since: May 11

Gallipolis, OH

#4 Oct 24, 2012
IlovemesomeMitt wrote:
If that is your only reason, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It kills me that people get stuck on one single issue--there are a lot of things wrong with this country. When I am presented with two evils, I chose the one I haven't tried before--Romney 2012!
Why settle for lesser evils? Cthulu 2012
Eyes Open

United States

#5 Oct 25, 2012
Obama has spent more than the past four administrations combined. He talked about flying his daughters to another state for breakfast, that is fine if he's paying for it but not if its on taxpayer dime.He claims to be a christian yet was the first president to not participate in the national day of prayer since it was established but held every other religions holidays. Earlier this year they were talking about pay cuts in the bidget but didn't know where to start china said to cut military spending and Obama did. He lied to the public over the lybia incident then denied lying. Obamacare that the majority did not want, his overuse of executive orders like the one on yemen where if you speak out about its government you can have your property seized. He has turned his back on Israel our only ally in the mideast, also the only country in the mideast that doesn't burn american flags. Look into all the times the israeli PM wanted to talk with him but obama was too busy because he had to do an interview and be on letterman. He went around congress to give aid to the palestinians and egypt, aid had been suspended because they were not doing anything to stop terrorism.
He even said if he did not do everything he had promised he wouldn't even run for re-election another lie.
Did you also know that he and his wife lost their law licence. check it out at https://www.iardc.org/
Stands for Illinois Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee.

President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order to escape charges he lied on his bar application., a "Voluntary Surrender" is something you do when you've been accused of something, and you 'voluntarily surrender" your license five seconds before the state suspends you.
Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993. after a Federal Judge gave her the choice between surrendering her license or standing trial for Insurance fraud!
Facts.Source: http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-b...
A senior lecturer is one thing, a fully ranked law professor is another. Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago .
The University of Chicago released a statement in March 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school-but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.
"He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.
Source: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet...
Biff Tannen

Harrison, AR

#6 Oct 25, 2012
Crazy wrote:
Obama pointed to a recent study of Romney's approach by the independent Tax Policy Center that speculated that, to pay for his proposed tax cut on the wealthiest Americans, the former Massachusetts Governor Romney would have to end popular measures like the mortgage and child deductions and the Earned Income Tax Credit — which chiefly middle-class and poor Americans.
I don't know about anyone else but I depend on the mortgage and child deductions. I work my butt off every day and do not want to see these deductions disappear. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the poor are voting for Romney, they will be getting rid of their meal ticket if they vote for Romney. At least Obama cares for the poor.
You confuse "independent" with "non-partisan. The "Tax Policy Center" is a front for the liberal Brookings Institution and Urban Institute. The Tax Policy Center’s fundamental error in its "speculation" is to assume no behavioral response at all to lower tax rates – an “elasticity of taxable income”(ETI) of zero. The academic evidence is that ETI is at least 0.4 for all taxpayers, mostly because ETI is above 1.0 for the top 1 percent. Cut top rates and the rich report more income; raise top rates and much of their income disappears — through reduced economic activity and increased avoidance.

In so far as eliminating deductions, I can't muster a single defense for the mortgage interest deduction.(Indeed, observed from a progressive viewpoint, it discriminates against renters, it encourages the purchase of larger homes and, thereby, greater consumption of scarce natural resources and more greenhouse emissions.) But in any event, Romney has proposed the gradual elimination of the deduction for very HIGH earners, in order to help working class families and reduce the crippling deficit.

Child credits and deductions? How can anyone morally justify discrimination in the tax code? Whether between home owners and renters or between single folks or folks with children they can't afford? The tax code ought to be a model for equal protection under the law, not a device for social engineering by whichever party is in power.

Obama cares about the poor? That's for sure - he wants to see more of them.
Worried

New Haven, WV

#7 Oct 25, 2012
What about medicaid for the disabled children? If Romney wins he wants the states to decide what kind of coverage they get. At least with Obama you know that will not change.
Romney is insane

New Haven, WV

#8 Oct 25, 2012
Romney only cares with the top 1% . He doesn't care about the rest of us. He is a flip flopper and will say whatever he can to get elected. You need to wake up and realize he is bad for the US.
Robert Newbie

Ravenna, OH

#9 Oct 25, 2012
Crazy wrote:
Obama pointed to a recent study of Romney's approach by the independent Tax Policy Center that speculated that, to pay for his proposed tax cut on the wealthiest Americans, the former Massachusetts Governor Romney would have to end popular measures like the mortgage and child deductions and the Earned Income Tax Credit — which chiefly middle-class and poor Americans.
I don't know about anyone else but I depend on the mortgage and child deductions. I work my butt off every day and do not want to see these deductions disappear. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the poor are voting for Romney, they will be getting rid of their meal ticket if they vote for Romney. At least Obama cares for the poor.
If I was Obama, I would saying things like that to. Please see the definition of speculate below. Obama had a chance during the debates to bring up this issue. He chose not to take the opportunity.

spec·u·late - Verb: 1) Form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

Measures like the mortgage and child deductions help the rich and middle class. 90%+ of the poor don't have a mortgage and don't make enough to take advantage of the child deductions. The Earned Income Tax Credit helps the lower part of the middle class and the poor get more money credited to their income tax payment than they put into the system.

Romney is calling for a straight tax, where the rich through the poor pay an equal percentage of their income, less deductions and less complications to the tax code. Reasonable minds would agree that the poor don't make enough money to take advantage of the deductions and file a 1040EZ. It is not hurting the poor. Less than 1/3 of the middle class get any real advantage of the deductions. In general it is the rich and upper middle class that benefit from the deductions.

Romney and Obama care equally about the poor. They just have different ways of solving the problem. Romney wants to give them fishing poles and teach them how to fish. Obama wants to borrow money from China and give them fish. A person with a full belly is less inclined to learn to fish than a hungry person that needs to earn some fish to eat.

The gist of your argument surrounds around income tax returns, not things that affect your day to day life. Obamacare is going to affect your income tax by about $4000 a year or approximately $80 more taken out each week. Holding that the Obama speculations are true about the loss of your mentioned deductions. Do you want your tax breaks every paycheck or at tax time?

Personally I agree that people should vote for Obama. He will borrow money from China to give me a better life. After I am gone your children will have to pay for it. Works for me.
Robert Newbie

Ravenna, OH

#10 Oct 25, 2012
Worried wrote:
What about medicaid for the disabled children? If Romney wins he wants the states to decide what kind of coverage they get. At least with Obama you know that will not change.
Please go read the Constitution. The Constitution left such things to the states. The Federal government has no standing/law to determine such things.

Please go read Obamacare - it too is putting things on the states to determine such things.

Educate yourself fool.
Biff Tannen

Harrison, AR

#11 Oct 25, 2012
The U.S. cut - forthwith - marginal tax rates across-the-board by more than 20 percent in 1964 and 1984 (the 1981 law, like that of 2001, was foolishly phased-in). In both cases, revenues from the individual income tax were higher than before, as a share of GDP. The economy grew much faster too, raising payroll and corporate tax receipts.

Until the naysayers can explain how and why that happened, they cannot even pretend to predict that Romney’s more (much too) modest tax reform will lose any revenue, much less $5 trillion. Incidentally, deductions were not significantly curbed in the tax laws of 1964 or 1981, or in the Tax Reform of 1986 (which merely substituted reduced itemized deductions for a much larger standard deduction).

If Romney puts a cap on deductions, either as a percentage of AGI or as a dollar limit, the net effect of his plan would raise revenues, particularly from people like Warren Buffett and Mitt Romney (who deduct millions in charitable contributions).

It is just bizarre to read over and over again from Obama supporters that Romney wants to raise taxes or eliminate deductions for the middle class while favoring the "1 percent." The rich understand that they don't get rich in the United States get rich at the expense of the poor. The rich get richer when the tide lifts all of the boats. The poor get poorer when they seek to let the water out of the tub and let all the boats sink to the same level.

Since: May 11

Gallipolis, OH

#12 Oct 25, 2012
Just to set the record straight. If you don't like Obama because he isn't Christian then you shouldn't vote Romney either.
Robert Newbie

Ravenna, OH

#13 Oct 25, 2012
Boston Rob wrote:
Just to set the record straight. If you don't like Obama because he isn't Christian then you shouldn't vote Romney either.
Obama "claims" to be Christian. Why are you doubting what words come out of your savior's mouth. Are you calling Obama a liar?
farmer brown

Jackson, OH

#14 Oct 25, 2012
4 MORE YEARS!!!!
Obama or Romney

New Haven, WV

#15 Oct 25, 2012
Its hard for me to believe anything out of Mitt Romney's mouth. He flip flops all the time, I would rather stick with Obama at least we know what we are getting. Republicans have always cared for the richer population and less for the poor. Democrats themselves tend to help the poorer. Im not middle class by any means. I work 40 hrs a week and have 2 kids. I do like getting the earned income credit: it helps to pay my house insurance and property tax and flood insurance. So I really don't think Romney will keep the child tax credit and the earned income credit.
Robert Newbie

Ravenna, OH

#16 Oct 25, 2012
Obama or Romney wrote:
Its hard for me to believe anything out of Mitt Romney's mouth. He flip flops all the time, I would rather stick with Obama at least we know what we are getting. Republicans have always cared for the richer population and less for the poor. Democrats themselves tend to help the poorer. Im not middle class by any means. I work 40 hrs a week and have 2 kids. I do like getting the earned income credit: it helps to pay my house insurance and property tax and flood insurance. So I really don't think Romney will keep the child tax credit and the earned income credit.
I understand what you are saying. I agree with you that with Obama you know what you are getting. A single person is going to pay $80 more a week in taxes to pay for Obamacare by 2016. Can you afford that much more taken out of your pay check?
Abc

United States

#17 Oct 25, 2012
Robert Newbie wrote:
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I understand what you are saying. I agree with you that with Obama you know what you are getting. A single person is going to pay $80 more a week in taxes to pay for Obamacare by 2016. Can you afford that much more taken out of your pay check?
I will pay what have tonpay to keep my insurance. Fact is both have thing ppl gonna like n dislike. All I know is I'm glad to have a president who thinks and lived more like me!
Biff Tannen

Harrison, AR

#18 Oct 25, 2012
Abc wrote:
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I will pay what have tonpay to keep my insurance. Fact is both have thing ppl gonna like n dislike. All I know is I'm glad to have a president who thinks and lived more like me!
Newbie, just don't. An obvious troll. No one in Gallipolis grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, and almost none have smoked as much dope.
Obama or Romney

New Haven, WV

#19 Oct 25, 2012
Biff Tannen wrote:
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Newbie, just don't. An obvious troll. No one in Gallipolis grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, and almost none have smoked as much dope.
Biff, Obama was raised by a single mother who struggled to provide for him. I think she did a great job, he can relate more to me and my family than Mitt Romney (born with silver spoon) can. GO OBAMA
Robert Newbie

Ravenna, OH

#20 Oct 25, 2012
Obama or Romney wrote:
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Biff, Obama was raised by a single mother who struggled to provide for him. I think she did a great job, he can relate more to me and my family than Mitt Romney (born with silver spoon) can. GO OBAMA
Your ability to relate to them makes them more qualified to run this country, how? Obama made over $700,000 a year prior to his election, again your relate to him how?

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