Hall commissioner believes annexation is for speed trap

Mar 21, 2009 | Posted by: DUB | Full story: www.gainesvilletimes.com

Hall County Commissioner Bobby Banks alleges that the only reason the Gainesville Police Department is interested in annexing property along Interstate 985 near Oakwood is to set up speed traps as a revenue source.

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DUB

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Bobby Banks is a moron. First I doubt he could define a what a speed trap is, second, how can anyone involved in the corrupt acts of the Hall County BOC accuse anyone of shady intentions, and lastly, Gainesville PD, and Oakwood PD are not Public Safety Enforcement as Banks so ignorantly says, they are Law Enforcement Agencies. So first and foremeost they are charged with the enforcment of LAWS, not enforcment of SAFETY. How can you enforce safety any way Mr. Banks? You can not. You can however enforce laws. Which is the job of any police department worth it's name.
Someone should let Banks know portions of the interstate is already annexed into the city and no "speed traps" are set up there, and as Chief Hooper stated there have only been 2 speeding tickets written there since it was annexed 3 months ago. And does Mr. Banks fail to see that Hall County Sheriff's Department has been conducting speed enforcement along the 985 corridor for years. Is he more afraid that People in Hall County will see that the BOC has cut Law Enforcement personel and staffing to beyond the bare minimum and placed the public in danger by removing the Deputies from 985, or is he afraid that the GPD and OPD will take some of the money from the county that fines from the interstate bring Hall County government.
Mr Banks is making a failed attempt to place the spotlight some where besides the Hall County BOC who at present is being investigated, sued, and canidates for criminal charges for the acts they have commited in the recent past. A chairman who is using tax money to increase his land value in South Hall, that same chairman using his influence with the Planning and Zoning to work a land purchase deal with a corrupt attorney on the PandZ board. The BOC overlooking and then excusing members of the Tax Assesors board for theft and fraud, after months of warnings before the scandle broke in the news.
Bobby Banks and the Hall County BOC need to clean up the mess they have made in Hall County and correct the illegal behavior they seem to think the people in Hall County don't see before they accuse the Law Enforcment agencies of anything at all.
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I wonder if Mr. Banks or maybe his wife has had a ticket lately. Maybe a speeding ticket.
gville pd

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Dub sounds like you work for Gainesville Police Dept....to take up for them

DUB

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I also took up for the Oakwood PD and the Hall County Sheriff's Deputies forced to take unpaid days off. Must I work for them too. Three jobs at three departments, I sound like a busy guy. Or maybe I am just a concerned tax paying citizen fed up with the under the table, back room politics of the Hall County BOC, and want to see my tax dollars go toward something more important than a 21 million dollar covered horse arena. You know luxery things like a deputy, fireman, 911 call taker, teacher, or jail officer. things the BOC think we can do without. But lets not do without a new canopy for Princess to ride her pony. I am beginning to think that one of the commisioners has a horse business in the works.
Barbara Hutson

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"Dubbie".....if you want to have credibility and not sound like some whiney, "back-room", "under the table" person why don't you use your real name? I am not ashamed to tell people my thoughts on this situation and use my real name. Do I think that Bobby Banks is a moron? No more than you are I suppose. Second, do you know what a speed trap is? I do. Next, I believe that I have heard something about the police being to "protect and serve". That means safety. So you are telling me that my child runs up to a police man because he is lost and they are not supposed to look out for his SAFETY? Gee, those police officers that hold traffic at my son's school aren't doing it to enforce law, they are doing it for SAFETY'S sake. Shall I continue? Let's continue... shall we? Do I think that there is some underhanded dealings in the government at EVERY level? I am sure there is. Do you have PROOF that Mr Banks is part of that? If so, I would be interested in it. I am just as concerned about crooks in the government as you seem to be. Do you have the Courage to walk up to Mr Banks, or any member of the BOC and say these things to their face? Can you ask them directly to justify "princess's pony stable?" Have you done that ??? I will be certain to find out exactly where this pretty pony stable is, find out who paid for it, and then if I am still not satisfied I will ask my county commissioners about the use of MY tax dollars then.
As for the land value in South hall, as a South Hall resident, I can ASSURE you that my land value has not gone up, as I am certain Mr Banks' has not either.
I believe I have covered all my bases on your post, but let me add that I have spoken with Mr Banks on NUMEROUS occasions about various issues. I feel certain that he is working to expose as many underhanded dealings as possible.

DUB

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Well Mrs. Hutson, the reason most posters here use screen names is as various as the stars in the sky. I am not afraid to use my name, owever certain resrtictions I am under prohibit it. However I would like to respond to each of your points. Ma'am what is a speed trap, please enlighten us as to your understanding of the term.
And as far as the police being there to prote t and serve, true, police protect the public from those who would endanger it by breaking the law, and they serve the public by responding to calls for help when laws are broken or when the law provides they respond to public dangers. So if your child runs up to a police man for help, yes they help because the law dictates they help and allows them to do so, read title 16, title 19, and 29, and title 35 of the Official Code of Georgia. Those sections along with several others spell out the duties of law enforcement officers to assist minor (especially lost or missing) and the limits of the authority they posses. As far as the school crossing, ma'am they are there enforcing the law. Speed restrictions, pedestrian crossing laws, school zone specific laws.
To say that police officers are responsible for safety enforcement is insane. Smoking is dangerous, playing with a loaded gun is dangerous, stabbing yourself is dangerous, jumping off of you house is dangerous, can the police stop you, detain you, or arrest you for any of those things. NO NO NO. Those things are against the law. Ma'am you should read the Georgia Code and you would understand that all police powers and responsibilities are speled out there and the limit of thier authority is to enforce violations of law. Driving 55 mph on the interstate in the rain with sunglasses on while reading the paper and drinking coffee, and talking on the phone is dangerous, however until you break the law by speeding, weaving, or other unlawful acts, the police can not stop you. So no ma'am safety enforcement is not the job of police officers. You mistake the result of enforcing laws being safety for safety enforcement. Groups such as OSHA and Georgia Labor Department are Safety Enforcement Agencies.
Now, as for you thinking I am a moron, I can at least read ma'am. If you had read or could read, whichever is the case, you would have seen that the land value remark was directed toward the Chairman of the BOC. Mr. Banks is not the Chairman. Tom Oliver is the Chairman. And as far as proof, again read the news. Mr. Oliver is involved in lawsuits right now over land deals that were effected by his position as the BOC Chairman and his influence and knowledge from that position. And for land value going up. The recent SPLOST tax that passed was earmarked to construct industrial and residential water and sewer lines to land owned by a certain BOC member.

DUB

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I will let you read that for your self. It was in the SPLOST tax referendum, if you voted you would have read that. Well unless you voted blindly and did not read the ballot. That also was where you could read about the covered horse arena project. You can learn lots from reading entire works instead of taking in portions and being underinformed.
As far as Mr. banks exposing anything, this issue is a perfect example of his inability to do the proper thing. Mr Banks thinks that the city whishes to annex 985 for revenue purposes. He is wrong. 1st: portions of 985 have been part of the city for years and "speed traps" have never been and issue. 2nd: larger portions of 985 have been annexed in the last three months and only two speeding tickets were written, that hardly seems like a "speed trap". 3rd: Gainesville stated from the beginning that the reason for the annexation was to reduce response times to areas within the city that remained islands. You could read the facts yourself from the county and city reports on response times, but I can assure you that the city response time is less than half of the county's. 4th: to be realistic it will cost the city money to annex 985, more man power means more money spent on salaries. And as Commisioner Bell points out in todays meeting, the city has not applied for a speed detection permit for 985.
I have not spoke to Mr. Banks personally however I have spoken to him through BOC meetings and letters, and the response has been this, trust the BOC to look out for the county's interest, well I was under the impression the BOC was supposed to look out for the County Citizen's interest first.
Ma'am you should check your facts and read entire subject matter before trying to guise your misunderstanding as facts. And a last thing, the princess pony was a remark of sarcasm not of seriousness, but a person who read the whole thing would know that.
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Seems like Dub was right on the money, Gainesville is not applying to annex 985, Elachee Nature Center and Chicopee are applying to have Gainesville annex the property so they can bring their property into the city. Bobby Banks is accusing the city of wanting the property in to generate revenue when the city never applied for the annexation.

DUB

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Seems like Dub was right on the money, Gainesville is not applying to annex 985, Elachee Nature Center and Chicopee are applying to have Gainesville annex the property so they can bring their property into the city. Bobby Banks is accusing the city of wanting the property in to generate revenue when the city never applied for the annexation.

DUB

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Sorry I cut and pasted the previous poster's comment trying to respond. My response should have read: Elachee and Chicopee are not trying to annex 985, they are however asking to annex some of the property they own on the east side of 985 and in order to do that the roadway on 985 is required to be annexed. The state of Georgia will not allow any city to annex property that creates and island of unincorporated property. The city does not have to request to annex the property and is not required to have approval from the BOC to annex the land. The city is only required to place notice and hold discussion. Again sorry for the cunfusion, the old cut and paste got me again.
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Maybe the issue deals more with being able to enforce the speed limits posted on Queen City Pkwy around the airport area rather than on the I-985 corridor area.
Seems that I once heard that there might be a question of distance relating to enforcement of speed limits on Queen City due to its limited land area actually within the city limits at the airport location. In other words, not enough distance between posted speed limit signs and actual the area that the limits refer to for enforcement.
I don't know if that is the case here, or even a valid issue but I have heard it discussed before. I do not, however, believe that the City of Gainesville wants annexation in order to establsh a speed trap on I-985 itself.

DUB

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You are correct about the issue on Queen City as the road there is broken between city and county jurisdiction. If you look at the Hall County website and click on the GIS link it will clearly show city limits and the spots on every roadway where the land was never annexed. However the annexation of 985 will not bring the islands on Queen City into the city limits.
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dubbie DID YOU READ THE PAPER TODAY... THE CITY POLICE HAS ALREADY APPLIED FOR A RADAR PERMIT ON I-985....

DUB

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dubbie DID YOU READ THE PAPER TODAY... THE CITY POLICE HAS ALREADY APPLIED FOR A RADAR PERMIT ON I-985....
No the city has not applied for a radar permit on the property that is being discussed in this thread. The city has only applied for a permit on the property that was annexed in November. The city can not apply for the permit on 985 that Mr. Banks is upset about until it is annexed. Read the entire article before you say something that puts your foot in your mouth.
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mr.banks banks wife has been stopped and did get a ticket in oakwood.

DUB

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hello wrote:
mr.banks banks wife has been stopped and did get a ticket in oakwood.
Rumor is she got 2 tickets for speeding. Seems to me Mr. Banks would be better off spending time removing the lead from his wife's foot instead of fighting annexation request.
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but as many post as 'you the man' DUB have posted, it is clear you are an expert and genius on everything. But I must ask...

Here's why I pose this 'chicken or egg first' question:

If you have a job and are spending this many hours 'cruising' topix and posting, you are stealing! Stealing time from your employer.

If you have no job and are sucking off the proverbial teet of society, you are surely biteing the hand that feeds.

Help us and the economy...GET A LIFE!

DUB

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Just Curious wrote:
but as many post as 'you the man' DUB have posted, it is clear you are an expert and genius on everything. But I must ask...
Here's why I pose this 'chicken or egg first' question:
If you have a job and are spending this many hours 'cruising' topix and posting, you are stealing! Stealing time from your employer.
If you have no job and are sucking off the proverbial teet of society, you are surely biteing the hand that feeds.
Help us and the economy...GET A LIFE!
Or I have a job that allows me the time off to enjoy my hobbies, things like being smarter than you because I have a job that allows me to enjoy life with more time off than most. Are you jealous? Maybe my job is to study and comment on current events, or maybe it is to find people too worried about how I spend my time and devote time to giving them a hard time. I can't speak in absolutes but I can bet I contribute to the economy more than most while still being able to keep up with current events.

DUB

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Just Curious wrote:
but as many post as 'you the man' DUB have posted, it is clear you are an expert and genius on everything. But I must ask...
Here's why I pose this 'chicken or egg first' question:
If you have a job and are spending this many hours 'cruising' topix and posting, you are stealing! Stealing time from your employer.
If you have no job and are sucking off the proverbial teet of society, you are surely biteing the hand that feeds.
Help us and the economy...GET A LIFE!
Ohhh yeah, I must be an expert because you say so and you seem to think you know all, and if having a life is what you have I will be content with what I have.
TOM

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ask the city pd.about set up at the empty motel on jessie jewel got 29 people for not having thier lights on .the right lane only could not get the other lane. it wat not rain it was drissle.the fine was $145.00.

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