Cyclist killed in early-morning ride

Cyclist killed in early-morning ride

There are 27 comments on the www.ajc.com story from Sep 7, 2010, titled Cyclist killed in early-morning ride. In it, www.ajc.com reports that:

A Hall County man who started his Labor Day weekend with a bicycle ride in the brisk early-morning weather Saturday died after colliding with a vehicle.

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“I am listening.......”

Since: Jun 08

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#1 Sep 7, 2010
Again... condolences....

We really need more training for cyclists and drivers on how to address eachother in traffic. I live in the mountains on narrow and windy roads which are COVered on the weekends. It is a dangerous hobby IMHO.
As I see em

Texarkana, TX

#2 Sep 7, 2010
Bicyclists, in general, are arrogant as heck and they act like they own the road. I'm surprised more aren't killed. The state needs to force them to take a course on common sense and pay for a license/tag to be on the road just like everyone else. These people that ride busy or dangerous roads are oblivious to anyone's safety and make it your responsibility to dodge them and that, in my opinion, is just not right.

I don't know the exact situation with regards to this particular incident, and I am sorry for someone's loss, but bicyclists in general need to use a little more common sense and ride in safer places. It's terrible where I live.
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#3 Sep 7, 2010
I so want to ride my bicycle on the road and do it often. It is not a matter of training or bicycle rights that stops me, I just can't bring myself to do something that dangerous, sure I could do it and not get hit but at the same time I know that if I made it a regular practice it would be just a matter of time before I got hit. That it would be wrong to hit me would not make it hurt any less.

Unless you are in such a place that the loss of your life will not devastate someone like your wife or children then you have not business riding a bicycle on the streets of this town.
Jena

Hyderabad, India

#4 Sep 7, 2010
Really these bicyclist needs to be trained and needs to have a liscence plate tagged to them before tehy come on to the road.

“Up Front”

Since: Jul 08

Atlanta, GA

#5 Sep 7, 2010
"A car travelling in the same direction hit the cyclists from behind."

Plain and simple, the driver did not give them adequate space before being able to pass them. Just like in car accidents, 99.9998% of the time a rear end collision happens, it will rightfully be blamed on the car from behind.
Liscense for all

Conyers, GA

#6 Sep 7, 2010
Yeah I totally agree, because making cyclist have a license and a license plate would stop accidents. I think all of them should have it, just like drivers. I mean look at the statistics, because drivers have to get a license they are now safe, drive the speed limit, don't text and drive, don't drink and drive, and wont act stupid and run into other drivers. This really works! YEAH RIGHT WORLD WAKE UP! Bicyclist have the same rights as drivers, and yes there are some idiot bikers out there, I hate them, but there are also some idiot drivers out there, who cause more harm than needed. Drivers have rage, cyclist have to pedal, we cant waste energy on rage. Besides what will a license really do, nothing, we are all "taught" the same thing in driving courses. The fair solution, bike lanes on all new road or renovations, and friendly reminders to both Bikers and Drivers on how to share the road. Its a big road, we both can fit. Oh. And Get off the stupid phone!

“I am listening.......”

Since: Jun 08

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#7 Sep 7, 2010
Look_Out wrote:
"A car travelling in the same direction hit the cyclists from behind."
Plain and simple, the driver did not give them adequate space before being able to pass them. Just like in car accidents, 99.9998% of the time a rear end collision happens, it will rightfully be blamed on the car from behind.
This weekend, I was behind a group of 4 cyclists. They were going 3 mph in a stretch of road (about 20 miles or so long) with nothing but blind curves... no passing....very very narrow roadway. While a commonly used road it is in disrepair. They could have pulled over to let me and the other, eventually, 5 cars behind me, but they did not. I did stay behind them for most of that time and was concerned that when they hit a pot hole they would fall in front of me.....

Clearly, while legal it wasn't reasonably safe for anyone who was on that road. Honestly, if they have more than 2 cars behind them who can not pass, they should be required to pull over COMPLETELY from the roadway.
ejecto

Gainesville, GA

#8 Sep 7, 2010
Highways are designed for motor vehicles. Motor vehicles, through fuel taxes, pay for said highways.
The old "speed kills" thing is not quite accurate: the DISPARITY of speed is what kills. A bicycle going 10 to 15 MPH has NO PLACE out in 55 MPH traffic. Cyclists often say: I help pay for the road putting fuel into my car". Fine. Drive your car and save the bike for places appropriate for slow speeds.
Bicycles should be banned from any road with more than 2 lanes, or a speed limit of 45 MPH or greater!
Liscense for all

Conyers, GA

#9 Sep 7, 2010
Maria- Agreed there should be some courtesy from those riders especially if they are climbing up a mountain. Which is the only way I can assume that's how they are maintaining a 3mph. My rule when I ride with a group is single file!! If you have to pass another rider because they are slow and you have to double up only do it briefly and if it is clear behind you. I will say I have been on roads where there has been a string of cars behind our group, we are all single file and the reason they wont pass is because one car just wont pass. I have tried before even to help coach the cars around. Some people are really not confidant in their own driving. Its a bit scary. I am sorry though that these riders were not courteous, I understand your frustration, same thing happens when motorist are not courteous too.
As for the speed vs Disparity ruling by ejecto- Most roads in Georgia are 55 mph, Roads throughout the south and less populated areas are all 55 mph. With your ruling that would mean I could ride to the end of my Neighborhood and turn left go about a mile then be done. It just doesn't work that way. There are rules about Major interstates and bikes not allowed, rightly so. Your also neglecting an increasing percent of population who rely on bike transportation for work. Not because they are "saving the earth" or something cheesy like that, but its what they have to do to make ends meet.
Overall I would love to live in a state or city where biking was the norm and roads were built just for bikes and people lived in harmony. But its not going to happen. I will ride my bike, you will drive your car. Just don't hit me. Thanks.

“I am listening.......”

Since: Jun 08

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#10 Sep 7, 2010
Liscense for all wrote:
Maria- Agreed there should be some courtesy from those riders especially if they are climbing up a mountain. Which is the only way I can assume that's how they are maintaining a 3mph. My rule when I ride with a group is single file!! If you have to pass another rider because they are slow and you have to double up only do it briefly and if it is clear behind you. I will say I have been on roads where there has been a string of cars behind our group, we are all single file and the reason they wont pass is because one car just wont pass. I have tried before even to help coach the cars around. Some people are really not confidant in their own driving. Its a bit scary. I am sorry though that these riders were not courteous, I understand your frustration, same thing happens when motorist are not courteous too.
As for the speed vs Disparity ruling by ejecto- Most roads in Georgia are 55 mph, Roads throughout the south and less populated areas are all 55 mph. With your ruling that would mean I could ride to the end of my Neighborhood and turn left go about a mile then be done. It just doesn't work that way. There are rules about Major interstates and bikes not allowed, rightly so. Your also neglecting an increasing percent of population who rely on bike transportation for work. Not because they are "saving the earth" or something cheesy like that, but its what they have to do to make ends meet.
Overall I would love to live in a state or city where biking was the norm and roads were built just for bikes and people lived in harmony. But its not going to happen. I will ride my bike, you will drive your car. Just don't hit me. Thanks.
Thank you for your courteous reply. I don't want to say where I live but I want to assure you that even single file there is no room to pass around a cyclist without crossing the center double yellow line and they were going uphill. On weekends, we literally can not drive anywhere without having to go through herds of spandex!

Approximately 10 years ago, my brother was hit while enjoying this sport by a truck. He lived and has been disabled ever since. If you are not on a road specifically designated as a shared road, this sport needs to be enjoyed elsewhere.

“Up Front”

Since: Jul 08

Atlanta, GA

#11 Sep 7, 2010
Liscense for all wrote:
Yeah I totally agree, because making cyclist have a license and a license plate would stop accidents. I think all of them should have it, just like drivers. I mean look at the statistics, because drivers have to get a license they are now safe, drive the speed limit, don't text and drive, don't drink and drive, and wont act stupid and run into other drivers. This really works! YEAH RIGHT WORLD WAKE UP! Bicyclist have the same rights as drivers, and yes there are some idiot bikers out there, I hate them, but there are also some idiot drivers out there, who cause more harm than needed. Drivers have rage, cyclist have to pedal, we cant waste energy on rage. Besides what will a license really do, nothing, we are all "taught" the same thing in driving courses. The fair solution, bike lanes on all new road or renovations, and friendly reminders to both Bikers and Drivers on how to share the road. Its a big road, we both can fit. Oh. And Get off the stupid phone!
You took the words right out of my mouth. Or should I say you took the typing right out of my hands! A little common sense at work is always nice to see.

“I am listening.......”

Since: Jun 08

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#12 Sep 7, 2010
Look_Out wrote:
<quoted text>
You took the words right out of my mouth. Or should I say you took the typing right out of my hands! A little common sense at work is always nice to see.
Oh, come on!!! If you play the common sense trump card, we'll have nothing to talk about!! lol

“Up Front”

Since: Jul 08

Atlanta, GA

#13 Sep 7, 2010
Maria Antonia wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, come on!!! If you play the common sense trump card, we'll have nothing to talk about!! lol
''

Please accept my apology but I am a cityholic and don't experience your roads often enough.:-p Although I certainly can imagine them all over the mountain roads more than the city.

“I am listening.......”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#14 Sep 7, 2010
Look_Out wrote:
<quoted text>''
Please accept my apology but I am a cityholic and don't experience your roads often enough.:-p Although I certainly can imagine them all over the mountain roads more than the city.
Just be assured that I have patiently tried to travel around enough sweaty, spandexy behinds to more than fill my quota. lol
As I see em

Texarkana, TX

#15 Sep 7, 2010
Liscense for all wrote:
Yeah I totally agree, because making cyclist have a license and a license plate would stop accidents. I think all of them should have it, just like drivers. I mean look at the statistics, because drivers have to get a license they are now safe, drive the speed limit, don't text and drive, don't drink and drive, and wont act stupid and run into other drivers. This really works! YEAH RIGHT WORLD WAKE UP! Bicyclist have the same rights as drivers, and yes there are some idiot bikers out there, I hate them, but there are also some idiot drivers out there, who cause more harm than needed. Drivers have rage, cyclist have to pedal, we cant waste energy on rage. Besides what will a license really do, nothing, we are all "taught" the same thing in driving courses. The fair solution, bike lanes on all new road or renovations, and friendly reminders to both Bikers and Drivers on how to share the road. Its a big road, we both can fit. Oh. And Get off the stupid phone!
Perhaps paying for the right to use the road just as drivers do would create some money to pay for these bicycle lanes that you speak of. That would be common sense in my opinion.
JLH

Atlanta, GA

#16 Sep 7, 2010
Look_Out wrote:
"A car travelling in the same direction hit the cyclists from behind."
Plain and simple, the driver did not give them adequate space before being able to pass them. Just like in car accidents, 99.9998% of the time a rear end collision happens, it will rightfully be blamed on the car from behind.
Not when you can't see them in the dark.

“Up Front”

Since: Jul 08

Atlanta, GA

#17 Sep 7, 2010
JLH wrote:
<quoted text>Not when you can't see them in the dark.
May I make a suggestion?

Turn on your headlights.
Wilson

Lawrenceville, GA

#18 Sep 9, 2010
Why are cyclist even allowed to be on a road. The law is " only License vehicles can be on the roads" A bicycle cannot get a license tag,so stay off the roads.
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#19 Sep 9, 2010
Bicycles are dangerous
License for all

Cumming, GA

#20 Sep 10, 2010
Wilson- read the laws. As a licensed Driver you should be fluent in the laws including GA 40-6-290. In Georgia, as in most states, the bicycle is legally a "vehicle". This classification means that general vehicular traffic law applies to the operation of a bicycle.(from http://www.gohs.state.ga.us/gabikelaws.html )
Now before you yell out that you once saw a biker run a stop sign or light or broke some other law, please look around at your fellow drivers and see how many times they do those same things.

And Robert. Please clarify your "bicycles are dangerous" comment. Are you speaking of the damage that is sustained to the car whe irresponsible drivers hit bikes. I would agree that biking is dangerous due to the motorist. But your still more likely to be hit by a car in a car than by a car on a bike. Our perspective on danger is skewed. Last- if you ever travel outside of narrow mindedville or out side the US, cycling is a dominate part of society. Bikes out number cars in cities like Amsterdam.(and yes again before the witty "you should move there then" comment, I will let you know I have, loved it, would love to go back, thanks for thinking about me.) All over the world biking is civilized with motorist. I really wish we could do the same here. Again. Please don't hit me.(I am sorry that you think my 20lb bike is a threat you your 1ton SUV)

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