IS Water Baptism Necessary For Salvation?

[Nova]

Acts 8 also shows us that to teach about Christ one must teach about water baptism. The inspired word of God tells us this (Acts 8:5,12,13,38-39).

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into (the water), both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of (the water), the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way (rejoicing).

Notice that rejoicing came after water baptism.

That is b/c those people realized what Paul realized in (Acts 22:16)-

!. Arise

2. Be Baptized

3. Wash Away Your Sins

Notice washing away of sins in (Acts 22:16) is shown in the verse to be after baptism and not before (as some teach).

(Acts 2:38) harmonizes with (Acts 22:16).

(1)Repent, and

(2) be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ

(3)(these will follow) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Water Baptism Saves -(1Peter 3:20,21)

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[Nova]

(Eph.5:26)- 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

(Heb.10:22)- 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

(1Peter 1:22)- 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth ...

(Rom.6:3-6,16-18)- 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were (baptized into Jesus Christ) were (baptized into his death)?

4 Therefore we are (buried with him by baptism into death): that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been (planted together in the likeness of his death), we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

16 Know ye not, that (to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey), his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have OBEYED from the heart that FORM OF DOCTRINE which was delivered you.

18 Being THEN MADE FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness.

(Isa. 8:20)- 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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What denomination are you?

[Nova]

I am not a member of any denomination. I am a member of the church you read about in the New Testament,it is the Lord's church (Rom.16:16).

There is no reason for a church to be named after a man (other than Jesus). Jesus is the one who died to buy His Church (Acts 20:28)(Mt.16:18).

Denominations (or divisions) are condemned in the word of God (1Cor,1:10-13)(Phil.3:16,17)(1 Peter 4:11).

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I highly recommend the booklet entitled -

"A Reply To A Denominational Preacher"

[Nova]

Many claim that belief alone is what makes one a Christian. This claim is false, but just saying it is false is not enough. One must prove their point using the word of God (1Peter 4:11)(Acts 17:11).


Let us look at (Acts 26:26-28).

26 For the king (knoweth of these things), before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets?(I know that thou believest).

28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul,(Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian).



1. We learn through the inspired writer that Agrippa (believed what the prophets taught) about Jesus.



2. Agrippa makes an astounding statement.

"Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian."

We learn that belief alone is not enough to make a person a Christian.

The inspired word of God confirms that Agrippa believed,and yet Agrippa himself says Paul (ALMOST) persuaded him to be a Christian.

Agrippa in his own words says he was not a Christian (Acts 26:28).

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"A Reply To A Denominational Preacher"

[Nova]

1. Does (1Peter 3:20) say that Noah (one of the eight souls on the ark) was saved by water? Did that same water kill those who refused the message Noah preached?

...wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.(1Peter 3:20)



2. Did the same water that killed the Egyptian army also save the Israelites?(Ex.14:28-30)

28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.

29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on

30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

3. Was it necessary for the blind man in (John 9) to go dip in the water of Siloam before he was blessed with his eyesight?

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,(which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.(John 9:7)

4. Does the bible say that baptism saves today?(1Peter 3:21)

...even baptism doth also now save us...

5. Was the apostle Paul forgiven of his sins before or after he was baptized?(Acts 22:16)

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

6.(Acts 8:38,39) tells us what kind of baptism saves.Water baptism.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

7.(2Kings 5) tells us of a man who was cleansed of leprosy when he decided to go and dip in the river Jordan seven times.

Many people are obstinate when it comes to being baptized in water to be saved. Naaman was stubborn also,but he repented and decided to set aside his pride and obey the Lord,for the reason the Lord commanded. Naaman's blessing was to be found in the water.



All of the verses above show that the lord has used water to separate the living from the dead,the sinful from the forgiven,the obedient from the disobedient,the blessed from those who are not blessed,the saved from those who are lost spiritually. So using water AS THE LINE OF DEMARKATION is nothing new to the lord.

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It is no wonder that the Lord would say -

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(Eph.5:26)

[a baptized believer]

The criminal on the cross was not baptized and Jesus said he would surely see him in Paradise. Baptism does not save you. Accepting Jesus as your saviour saves you. John 3:16. Baptism is a testimony to others. It is a picture of our death, burial and resurection. We are told to be baptized. It is an act of obedience but it does not get you into heaven without Jesus. Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man shall come to the Father but by Me."

[Nova]

a baptized believer wrote:

The criminal on the cross was not baptized and Jesus said he would surely see him in Paradise. Baptism does not save you. Accepting Jesus as your saviour saves you. John 3:16. Baptism is a testimony to others. It is a picture of our death, burial and resurection. We are told to be baptized. It is an act of obedience but it does not get you into heaven without Jesus. Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man shall come to the Father but by Me."

Hi,thanks for posting. None of the verses you posted mentioned Repentance. Do you believe man must repent to be saved?(Luke 13:3)

...except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


You said "baptism does not save" but the bible says -

...wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(1Peter 3:20,21).

It seems you are at odds with the word of God.

I found these lessons which will address this topic.

"The Last Will And Testament Of Jesus Christ"

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/739-...

"The Thief On The Cross"

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/424-...

"A Dispute About The Purpose Of Baptism"

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/234-...

[JB Good]

Baptism: Spirit or Water?

The objection is often raised that the baptism mentioned in Acts 2:38; Gal. 3:27; Romans 6:3,4; Mark 16:16 and Matt. 28:19, among others, is not referring to water baptism, but to “Spirit baptism.” I will endeavor to briefly show why these passages are to be understood as referring to water baptism of the believer.

Whatever this baptism is in the above mentioned passages, I think we can agree that it means the same thing in each instance. There are some mentions of “baptism,” of course, that are clearly metaphorical (Matt. 20:22-23, Mark 10:38-39). Those mentioned above are generally agreed upon to mean the same thing, however.

The reasoning for understanding these passages to refer to water baptism follows:

First, the baptism mentioned in Matthew 28:19 had human administrators. Christ commissioned the disciples to go preach and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Only Christ Himself could baptize in the Spirit,(Matt. 3:11). Additionally, I can find no commentators or scholars who deny that this passage refers to water baptism. Therefore, in passages where baptism seems to refer to conversion, being put into Christ or being added to the church, it is reasonable to surmise that we are talking about water baptism, in light of Matt. 28:19.

Second, it is clear in Rom. 6:3,4 and Col. 2:12 that an immersion in something and a raising from that something are described. If this refers to spirit baptism, then it would seem strange that one would be immersed in the Spirit, and then raised up out of that same Spirit. This does not accurately apply to our understanding of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If one is raised out of the Holy Spirit, is one no longer indwelt? Romans 8:9 and Gal. 4:6 say if we don’t have this Spirit in us, we are not sons of Him. Therefore, it seems much more reasonable to conclude that Romans 6:3,4 and Gal. 3:27 describe water baptism, not a Spirit baptism. In water baptism, one goes down into the water like a burial, and is raised up out of the water like a resurrection. Compare this to Romans 6:1-6.

Third, 1 Peter 3:20,21 clearly connects the waters of the flood and the waters of baptism in a type-antitype connection. Isn’t it reasonable that if this passage refers to water baptism, that the others mentioned do as well?

Fourth, and finally, common sense in Biblical exegesis must prevail. The word “baptize” and its derivatives is used about 100 times in the New Testament. There are some cases, such as in Mt. 20:22-23; Mark 10:38-39; and Lk. 12:50 where “baptism” clearly has a figurative meaning. There is also the special meaning of “baptism in the Holy Spirit,” which Jesus prophesied would come following His resurrection (Matt. 3:11; Acts 1:5). But unless there are clear contextual clues that indicate “baptize” is used in a special way, we must conclude that it carries its normal meaning, as defined in Strong’s:
baptizo?
bap-tid’-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:- baptist, baptize, wash.

This is not to deny, of course, that there is a spiritual element to New Testament baptism. Acts 2:38 tells us that those who repent and are baptized will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 22:16 says that remission of sins follows baptism. John 3:5 indicates that baptism is both a physical and spiritual occurrence.

We can be assured that the passages where baptism is mentioned in connection with conversion and remission of sins, water baptism is in view.

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[JB Good]

New Testament Baptism: In Water or the Spirit?

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/465-...

[The Bible Speaks]

Does Ephesians 2:8-9 Exclude Baptism?

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1483...

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[The Church of Christ]

a baptized believer wrote:

The criminal on the cross was not baptized and Jesus said he would surely see him in Paradise. Baptism does not save you. Accepting Jesus as your saviour saves you. John 3:16. Baptism is a testimony to others. It is a picture of our death, burial and resurection. We are told to be baptized. It is an act of obedience but it does not get you into heaven without Jesus. Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man shall come to the Father but by Me."

in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(1Peter 3:20,21)

...that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(1Peter 3:20,21)

...that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(1Peter 3:20,21)

Yes, we must accept Jesus and His words to be saved. Notice what (John 12:48) says.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Does the NT say Baptism saves? YES

Does the NT say Baptism is for the remission of sins" YES (Acts 2:38)(Acts 22:16).

It is not the water that washes our sins away for the blood of Jesus does.

The NT teaches us that the blood of Jesus washes our sins away when we are baptized in water.(Eph.1:7)(Rev.1:5).

Similar to Naaman being cleansed in water (2Kings 5).

Similar to the blind man receiving his sight as he washed in the pool of Siloam.(John 9:6)

Being baptized in water for the remission of our sins is the beginning of our walk with God contrary to what many teach.

One cannot have part with God and still have his sins (Isa.59:1,2) so when we learn that our sins are forgiven is when our walk with God begins.

(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise

2. Be Baptized

3. Wash away your sins

The gospel is simple (2Cor.11:3)

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[The Church of Christ]

a baptized believer wrote:

The criminal on the cross was not baptized and Jesus said he would surely see him in Paradise. Baptism does not save you. Accepting Jesus as your saviour saves you. John 3:16. Baptism is a testimony to others. It is a picture of our death, burial and resurection. We are told to be baptized. It is an act of obedience but it does not get you into heaven without Jesus. Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man shall come to the Father but by Me."

1. Can you prove the Thief was not baptized by John the baptizer? NO

2. You say "Baptism does not save you."

But the NT says Baptism doth now save us (1Peter 3:20,21). I will have to go with the bible.

3. You say " Accepting Jesus as your saviour saves you."

Where does the NT say such a thing?

4. You say "We are told to be baptized. It is an act of obedience but it does not get you into heaven without Jesus"

We are baptized into the ONE BODY (or one church)(1Cor.12:13). Jesus is the HEAD of that one church (or body). So I have not left Jesus out of the message as you have implied.

One Body = One Church (Eph.1:22,23)(Col.1:18,24)

Only those who are immersed in water for the remission of their sins are placed into the church.

Only the BODY (or church) will go to heaven according to (Eph.5:23).

...he is the saviour of the body.

So the bible teaches being immersed into water for the forgiveness of your sins will help you get to heaven.

If I were you I would go back to whoever taught you and show them these very plain bible verses and see what they say.

thetruthinlove.com

[Beautiful Feet]

1. Does (1Peter 3:20) say that Noah (one of the eight souls on the ark) was saved by water? Did that same water kill those who refused the message Noah preached?

...wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.(1Peter 3:20)

2. Did the same water that killed the Egyptian army also save the Israelites?(Ex.14:28-30)

28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.

29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on

30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

3. Was it necessary for the blind man in (John 9) to go dip in the water of Siloam before he was blessed with his eyesight?

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,(which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.(John 9:7)

4. Does the bible say that baptism saves today?(1Peter 3:21)

...even baptism doth also now save us...

5. Was the apostle Paul forgiven of his sins before or after he was baptized?(Acts 22:16)

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

6.(Acts 8:38,39) tells us what kind of baptism saves.Water baptism.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

7.(2Kings 5) tells us of a man who was cleansed of leprosy when he decided to go and dip in the river Jordan seven times.

Many people are obstinate when it comes to being baptized in water to be saved. Naaman was stubborn also,but he repented and decided to set aside his pride and obey the Lord,for the reason the Lord commanded. Naaman's blessing was to be found in the water.

All of the verses above show that the lord has used water to separate the living from the dead,the sinful from the forgiven,the obedient from the disobedient,the blessed from those who are not blessed,the saved from those who are lost spiritually. So using water AS THE LINE OF DEMARKATION is nothing new to the lord.

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It is no wonder that the Lord would say -

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(Eph.5:26)

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