Teen Challenge Exposed!
TJ-Holland MI

Holland, MI

#21 Sep 7, 2009
Nate, you are right on the money.
Do not go or send someone you love to West Michigan Teen Challenge. It is as close to a "wacked out cult" as it gets. There are some great people/programs in West Michigan to help you get and stay clean. E-mail me for options.
[email protected] Do not waste 13 months of you life at TC. You will leave with nothing to help you.
WMTC Grad

Richland, MI

#22 Nov 17, 2009
Chris wrote:
hmm, I got kicked out of muskegon teen challenge after being inducted in Flint teen challenge. being bipolar but not yet diagnosed was a big problem. Why does pastor Sam always flash the sign of pan while he is preaching too? lol. When I went back to Flint after being kicked out of Muskegon about 5 of the staff smoked crack and the success rate of graduates staying off drugs was 15% not 80% like what is preached. A number of the staff were also gay. Not too mention one of the staff, Freddie Johnson, stabbed me twice in the stomach with a file. If people really connected with God, Teen Challenge, and the world, would be a better place. It seems that all christian organizations get touched with the curse of the pharisees after existing for a while. God usually instills something on earth and after a time it is bogged down by the flesh. Thank God for revival. I don't want to judge anyone for all the weird things that happened in teen challenge to me (much more than I have mentioned.) I am trying to cut my teeth as a writer and I have plenty of stuff to write about from my interesting experiences. My family feels really bad about getting a court order to send me to Flint and Muskegon TC though.
So, you got exactly what you wanted. Everybody feels so sorry for what they did to you. The most amazing thing about the Bible is that it absolutely does not line up with who we are naturally. We are the ones who are wrong and have to change. Not something you can handle in yourself without the Holy Spirit. Probably why you were able to judge them instead of take responsibility for YOURSELF. I know Pastor Sam very well, and whomever you people are that are so hateful to him, trust me, you will be held accountable for what you say. He is a faithful servant of the Most High God. I am sick...how dare any of you speak against a program that saved my life. That program exists not to make people feel good....you spent enough of your life trying to do that yourself, but to change you into the image of Jesus Crist with LASTING effects. I pray that you come to your senses, like the prodigal son, and repent before your hardened heart becomes even harder and leads you back to the destructive rebelliousness that landed you in Teen Challenge in the first place.
Lenette

United States

#23 Dec 25, 2009
My church highly supports Teen Challenge. Here a few months ago we had about 8 students come to our church along with the director and each one of these students had great life changing testimonials to tell. Each one of them had messed up lives with drugs and alcohol and vwere heading for a life of misery and hell.
For those of you who think Teen Challenge does not work.... YES IT DOES. If you go through the program and listen to them and do the thngs they ask of you. IT WORKS! There may be guidelines and rules you are not use to in the real world. But a life of misery with drugs and alcohol and abuse is no way to live life.
ONce you get out of the program its up to you to find a good spirit filled church and to go to church and involve yourself in bible study, life groups and other activity.Your lives will not change until YOU change.
Once you get out of the program you DO NOT go back to your old life, friends and the things you use to do. No you change every bit of it. When you do you will see things changing for the positive side for your life and a real transformation coming.

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#24 Dec 26, 2009
Lenette wrote:
My church highly supports Teen Challenge. Here a few months ago we had about 8 students come to our church along with the director and each one of these students had great life changing testimonials to tell. Each one of them had messed up lives with drugs and alcohol and vwere heading for a life of misery and hell.
I also gave "life changing testimonials" when we visited Pentecostal/Assemblies of God churches. I knew that I'd better, because my ass would have been in a sling if I hadn't. Having had two years of Drama in high school, I'm a better-than-average actor. The yokels sitting in the pews were absolutely captivated by the pack of lies that I told them, and many of these gaping primates would approach me afterward to congratulate me and shake my hand.

I'm a confirmed member of a very nice Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod), with a terrific pastor and some very nice members in the congregation. This, however, does nothing to change the fact that Teen Challenge is a cash cow run by scam artists who fleece individuals like yourself who are ignorant enough to fall for their scheme.

Have a nice existence.
DevinGirl

United States

#25 Jan 18, 2010
I walked into Teen Challenge lost and broken. I was homeless and hopeless. I was strung out and I had hurt everyone I had ever loved. I may not agree with all of their methods but I will say that these people care. They show love that most of us do not deserve. So I can see how a bunch of people who have felt entitled to take and do whatever they want would feel angry. I figure they didnt get their way the way they always have and feel mistreated. Maybe it was that feeling of self-entitlement that got us where we were. They don't have all the answers but they offer hope and love to those who in most cases no one else is willing to.
Chris

United States

#26 Mar 7, 2010
WMTC Grad wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you got exactly what you wanted. Everybody feels so sorry for what they did to you. The most amazing thing about the Bible is that it absolutely does not line up with who we are naturally. We are the ones who are wrong and have to change. Not something you can handle in yourself without the Holy Spirit. Probably why you were able to judge them instead of take responsibility for YOURSELF. I know Pastor Sam very well, and whomever you people are that are so hateful to him, trust me, you will be held accountable for what you say. He is a faithful servant of the Most High God. I am sick...how dare any of you speak against a program that saved my life. That program exists not to make people feel good....you spent enough of your life trying to do that yourself, but to change you into the image of Jesus Crist with LASTING effects. I pray that you come to your senses, like the prodigal son, and repent before your hardened heart becomes even harder and leads you back to the destructive rebelliousness that landed you in Teen Challenge in the first place.
First off, I am glad that you had a life changing experience. I have a rebellious streak its true, but that is being dealt with, especially lately. God has made some changes in my life to show he is near. today a friend asked me out of the blue to start a bible study, and a young friend of mine had a life enriching experience at a youth meeting and started talking to me about changes in her life and I talked about the bible with her, something i had not done with her in the past year. If you will read over my quote, I don't judge, I point out various things that did occur. I don't know the validity of any of them at this point, but every jot dash and tittle is to be judged by God and the saints. I dare to say what I did because it happened. Not pointing out the bad parts of my experience is like the people that want to take chapters about slavery in US history out of text books. I am stronger from the experience. I have less fear. I am aware that no place on earth is free of Satans dirty gloves. Yet, it is precious to read that your life was changed by this place, and it proves that Gods hands hold the entirety of everything. So live your life strong and free, but don't tell me that Teen Challenge doesn't have horrible points as well as truthful success. Or, that I can't speak the truth about it, because the truth will set you free.
R_Clay_Jr

United States

#27 Apr 16, 2010
Hey,
I am a TC graduate, some don't make it like yourself and mostly go back out there, have you? All I can say is like the Blind man in the Bible. When they were taking bad saying that Jesus was a bad man, the blind man said "I don't know about that, but I do know that once I was blind and now I see!" Teen Challenge helped save my life from ten long years of crack addiction to a fruitful life. I went from flat broke for 10 years to making over $100,000 a month in my former business. I've never went back out there. Jesus left a road map but you have to travel the road yourself. You can't bootleg integrity and you can't try to tear others down to lift yourself up. Bottom line 1 John 4:7-8 Be blessed, R. Clay Jr
max muskegon

Muskegon, MI

#28 May 12, 2010
The question is still out there is TC a cult? My personal expereince was just that. I sat there for 13 weeks and thought about how much hell i had raised just one year earlier and thank GOD for the direction my life is heading now in the present.The question is TC a cult? Call it what ever you like i thank GOD for the vessel he provided for me.I don't know maybe it was good for me!!!!!!!!
Heater

Southgate, MI

#29 May 27, 2010
Nate wrote:
TC is a joke. The staff and all but one of the pastors ( pastor?....please! LOL!) have simply found some place to hide because they are afraid of the real world and have not found another way to stop putting drugs in their bodies. They have both left TC to try to start a real life and started using again, so they ran right back. The 80% stat is a lie. I was there, I know. The entire ministry is built on lies, driven by fear, and preys on the hopeless and weak minded. Do not go to TC, unless you are homeless and need a place to stay for awhile. If you have a brain in your head, this is not the choice for you, just go to AA, or rehab or whatever-trust me! WMTC is as close to a cult as you are likely to find, at times it can be truly scary. I large group of hopeless individuals are pretty apt to swallow just about anything, exspecially when it shoved down their throats. This type of herding develops into mob mentality, and thats when it gets really scary. STAY AWAY!!
Who's the one good pastor?
CONCERNED MOM

Orland Park, IL

#30 Jun 24, 2010
Nate wrote:
TC is a joke. The staff and all but one of the pastors ( pastor?....please! LOL!) have simply found some place to hide because they are afraid of the real world and have not found another way to stop putting drugs in their bodies. They have both left TC to try to start a real life and started using again, so they ran right back. The 80% stat is a lie. I was there, I know. The entire ministry is built on lies, driven by fear, and preys on the hopeless and weak minded. Do not go to TC, unless you are homeless and need a place to stay for awhile. If you have a brain in your head, this is not the choice for you, just go to AA, or rehab or whatever-trust me! WMTC is as close to a cult as you are likely to find, at times it can be truly scary. I large group of hopeless individuals are pretty apt to swallow just about anything, exspecially when it shoved down their throats. This type of herding develops into mob mentality, and thats when it gets really scary. STAY AWAY!!
My son has been through several rehabs for drug addiction without success. He just recently started WMTeen Challenge. Some of these posts are frightening me. Should I be concerned for his well being ? Is it a form of brain washing ?
Robert Dancz

Canada

#31 Jul 7, 2010
Well well. I can see the devil is pretty upset. I just found this site and am a little surprised to see so many people taking the time to bash Teen Challenge. I myself spent a year and a half in western mi TC, and am proud to say I graduated. I fell head over heals in love with Jesus! I was baptized in the Holy Spirit my fourth month in. I received my call to ministry not long after and spent 4 years in bible college after finishing. The thing is you can't fake it. Not everybody in the program is meant to be there. Some manipulate, some are running, some are hiding, some are searching. But none can fake it. You either get in touch with God and meet Him there or you don't. The key is brokeness. All the rest of the comments concerning pastor Sam I laugh at. Pastor Sam is a man who lives above reproach. And the brain washing thing, haha you could use a good brainwash. Oh and a cult is any form of religion that strays away from sound biblical doctrine, and they are built on mans flaky interpretations of any religious texts which does not apply to TC. Oh and still drug free 8 years later. Oh and the 80% success rate is only for the 10% or so of those who actually graduate.
Robert Dancz

Canada

#32 Jul 8, 2010
Michael Kincheloe wrote:
<quoted text>
I also gave "life changing testimonials" when we visited Pentecostal/Assemblies of God churches. I knew that I'd better, because my ass would have been in a sling if I hadn't. Having had two years of Drama in high school, I'm a better-than-average actor. The yokels sitting in the pews were absolutely captivated by the pack of lies that I told them, and many of these gaping primates would approach me afterward to congratulate me and shake my hand.
I'm a confirmed member of a very nice Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod), with a terrific pastor and some very nice members in the congregation. This, however, does nothing to change the fact that Teen Challenge is a cash cow run by scam artists who fleece individuals like yourself who are ignorant enough to fall for their scheme.
Have a nice existence.
So what your saying is you were giving a false witness. You are on a slippery slope sir and need to take some serious spiritual inventory before you speak and find yourself blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Think and pray before you open your mouth or you might destroy YOURSELF with it!
Sean

Detroit, MI

#33 Aug 17, 2010
reality checker wrote:
<quoted text>So let me ask you this TJ: Before you entered TC, where you the perfect, righteous, model citizen? So let me understand, for 8 of the 11 months you were there, TC caused you harm by submitting you to learning how to serve others instead of serving your master of drugs and alcohol and reaking havoc and pain on your family and friends?
Sounds like TC really messed up your life!
They have their faults, no one is perfect. At least they are trying to do something about losers like you. Suck it up and be GRATEFUL that the good Lord used TC to help you find your way to AA and a sober life.
You know why so many people fail when they leave these programs? Because there is no one out there in the real world to continue to hold them accountable. The biggest downfall with TC is that there is no therapy for the loved ones who don't have a clue that your in no way cured of the desease, just the symptoms. These loved ones also have no clue that the hurt they carry doesn't go away with the inflated expectations that the abuser is going to be perfect.
Maybe that's your problem TJ. You didn't walk out of TC a perfect person and you need to blame someone for that? You might want to consider getting set up with a good therapist. I think your time would be better well spent trying to figure out what is wrong with you instead of what is wrong with TC!
I am a Life Challenge graduate myself, and I agree the program is not perfect. We are imperfect people. ALL OF US. Regardless, I ask you Reality Checker, would the "good Lord" call one of His children "loser" because he is struggling. I think not. Jeremiah 31:3 if you care to know. Or Psalm 103:8-14. Look those up. Jesus said he would never turn one away who would come unto him. Don't believe me? John 6:37. This "disease", is not a disease, it's a symptom. I have sin, this TC man has sin, you have sin. We all before coming to Christ vented our sin in different ways. Mine, was through a crack addiction. Am I ashamed to admit that? no, it's to God's glory that I *was* a crack addict. 2nd Corinthians 5:17; "He that is in Christ is a new creation, the old has gone, behold, all things are become new." Now am I upset with you or anyone in this conversation? Not at all. We are all in this war together. How much does it grieve God to see His children bickering over trivial matters. Ephesians 6:12.
Now to TJ. The program Teen Challenge is just a conduit for Gods word to be shown. If they are abusive and degrading over there I don't know. Yes, the program is very strict, I do know that. But I've had several friends go through that program. It is a different approach, but, if it's led by God, who are we to slander it? I ask that not to criticize or condemn, just food for thought. After you leave the program, regardless of how long you were there, it is up to you to continue the work. When someone graduates or leaves TC, TC doesn't go with them. A Christian walk is between you and God. That's how he designed it. Just as a marriage is between two people, the Christian walk is between two people. Jesus Christ and you. Jesus Christ and me. If you believe in Christ, then you are a child of God. Don't let anyone, or any institution or therapist or anybody tell you differently. I pray that you are strengthened daily by His grace.
Reality Checker, you are a strong willed person. Allow God to use your initiative to expand His Kingdom. When a saint allows God to strengthen the gifts He's put inside us, we are a stick of dynamite in His hands. God Bless.
Randy

United States

#34 Aug 18, 2010
I am an alcoholic at 26, was just injured pretty badly riding my bike and drinking, and after getting out of the hospital, my father told me about this program and it sounded like a great way to get back to the Lord and change my life around..

some of these comments are scaring me. I realize it's going to be tough, strict, and a lot of work, but when people use the word "cult" and similar descriptions, that scares me. Is this truly the place I want to go? Doing 30 days of rehab or something similar doesn't seem like enough to me.
Satans Saint

Dayton, OH

#35 Sep 27, 2010
I have to agree with you being a cult. I have been to there banquets and it was creepy the way they all acted. One of the churches called Norton Shores Gospel Tabernacle is a supporter of TC and believe me there just as bad as they are. It is creepy they all walk around like they are brain washed and learned evrything from scripts when they give there testimonies. The people of the church are the same way. I wonder if all the pentacostal churches are that way.
TJ-Holland MI wrote:
Nate, you are right on the money.
Do not go or send someone you love to West Michigan Teen Challenge. It is as close to a "wacked out cult" as it gets. There are some great people/programs in West Michigan to help you get and stay clean. E-mail me for options.
[email protected] Do not waste 13 months of you life at TC. You will leave with nothing to help you.
Mike

Cambridge, MA

#36 Sep 29, 2010
TJ what makes you such an authority? What makes you such an expert?
I have worked for the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment in Washington DC - by reason of this work I have worked with many experts in the said field. Alot is required to become an authoritative opinion. Certainly more than 11 months months in a program. In order for us out here in cyberland to listen to you I feel that you need to qualify yourself as an authority in order to speak to such a program that has been around for 50 years.
Please respond : [email protected]
Ho Lee Schitt

Pennington, NJ

#37 Oct 1, 2010
Teen Challenge is a dangerous abusive cult run by another cult--the assemblies of god! Many unfortunate victims have been forced into this cult by the courts! Speaking in tongues is not a part of any science based recovery program I have ever heard of. I am glad the truth about this abusive cult is finally coming to light! There are hundreds of horror stories on the net about this cult which should be shut down! Teen Challenge is worse than Straight inc. if that's possible!
TJJ

Spring Lake, MI

#38 Nov 2, 2010
Mike,
You are so right.
I can only relate my direct experience.
Here it is.
When I was there "Paster" Shaun came to TC. He came because his wife went through the program and decided to stay. Immediatly we were told to call him "pastor' Shaun. He was not pastor. No seminary, no formal training no pastoral education. He was also put in charge of their education program. Again no specific training whatsoever.
I was also on his rally team.
We were woken up one sunday at 4:30 am est. and give 2-donuts each. We drove to Gary Indiana and did 2 late morning shows opps rallys. We had to stay for another evening one. At 4pm cst , 5pm est he drove us to the hood of Gary and made us stand outside a dinner while we watched him eat. Unerstand we hadn't eaten in 11 hours, He told us we would eat later but he had low blood sugar. This when he is 150lbs overweight. We stood on the sidewalk in the "Hood" for 45 minutes and watched him eat. We were finnaly fed by the church after one of rally memebers told them the story and we hadn't eaten in 13 hours at that point.
My advice always check out someones or facilities qualifications. At TC you put yourself under there care 24/7 365. No questions asked or if you do they ask you to leave. Check out Shauns, Sams or for that matter the Mclains training and or qualifications I think you will be shocked.
TJJ

Spring Lake, MI

#39 Nov 2, 2010
If anyone is thinking of going or sending a love one to Western Michigan Teen Challenge and has questions you can e-mail me at [email protected] and I would be glad to answer them based on my expereince there.
GARY

Ft Mitchell, KY

#40 Nov 4, 2010
I graduated from T.C. in the early 90s and there were some who struggled through the year,some left before their year was up and those who lasted but did not seem to "GET IT",that just like following Christyou can only get out of it what you put in. I was a mess,no direction,no purpose , not knowing who I was or knowing WHOSE I was.Everybody is not ready to follow Christ when He calls AND nothing man has done is perfect(without Christ),but dont throw the baby out with the bath water.TEEN CHALLENGE(In Flint and Detroit) introduced me to my Savior,changed and saved my life. I dont know your experiences but I ,presently,am not a member of a cult and I still love the Lord. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP T.C.!!!

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