The downside of addiction to gambling...

The downside of addiction to gambling profits

There are 46 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 9, 2008, titled The downside of addiction to gambling profits. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Legislators must consider the real costs of expansion The addiction began as a seemingly benign venture 20 years ago.

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Sven

Chicago, IL

#21 Feb 10, 2008
doublehook wrote:
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Yes agree but that increased plastic use for daily living can also happen due to more cash dollars spent gaming requiring plastic use to try to keep their heads above water. Addictions, whether alcohol, drugs, gaming, texting, shopping or others are still addictions and play havoc with lives and families. Just say no to this new possible addiction. It does not make a family or the state stronger, only weakens.
As you've said before,(several times) pea-shake gambling is still happening....So...you're logic is to restrict more gambling. Hmm...isn't that why pea-shake houses exist? Because they can't legally gamble?
James_A_Ritchie

Delaware, OH

#22 Feb 10, 2008
One last comment. One thing is undeniable. Every single dollar the state makes off gambling is a dollar that cam out of someone's pocket, and it's a dollar that was wasted. It's a dollar that was not spent to help the family it came from, a dollar that was not spent to aid the economy by buying a product or a service.

They say a fool and his money are soon parted, and it's true. Nowhere is there more proof of this than in gambling. Gambling is a fool's paradise.

Part of me says fine, let the fools waste their money. Trouble is, every last time a fool spends money on gambling, it harms the entire state and everyone in it. Gambling does seem to make the foolish happy, but as the saying goes, When A Fool Is Happy, Wise Men Shudder.
I remember when

Decatur, IL

#23 Feb 10, 2008
James_A_Ritchie wrote:
One last comment. One thing is undeniable. Every single dollar the state makes off gambling is a dollar that cam out of someone's pocket, and it's a dollar that was wasted. It's a dollar that was not spent to help the family it came from, a dollar that was not spent to aid the economy by buying a product or a service.
They say a fool and his money are soon parted, and it's true. Nowhere is there more proof of this than in gambling. Gambling is a fool's paradise.
Part of me says fine, let the fools waste their money. Trouble is, every last time a fool spends money on gambling, it harms the entire state and everyone in it. Gambling does seem to make the foolish happy, but as the saying goes, When A Fool Is Happy, Wise Men Shudder.
Every single dollar the state, city, etc., confiscates from my pay, home, sales, license plates, comes out of my pocket too. Where the hell did you think that money came from?

You talk about a fool being happy? God save me from bleeding hearts who think it's their devine duty to protect me from myself.

I'm surprised you didn't also use the excuse "it raises the cost of healthcare"...!
doublehook

San Francisco, CA

#24 Feb 10, 2008
James_A_Ritchie wrote:
Legislators want money, and they care not where it comes from, or who it harms. Simple as that. The excuse is always "You'll lose services if we don't do this or don't do that."
But it isn't really the fault of legislators, it's the vote of voters. We allow gambling, we allow over-taxation, we allow wild spending and pork barrel projects. We allow legislators to spend money as if it belonged to them.
I agree that this is happening and I still say no to more legalization of any gaming. I also say YES to TERM LIMITS, lobbyists controls such as no legislature to lobbyist for 2 terms. Don't forget the legislative reform to the Kiernan-Shepard proposal to reduce government and those we a power to tax. Less government is better government and needed for property tax reform. Our new IN license plates still need to read "Land of Taxes" until corrected. Say goodbye to townships as antiquated and I hope our state legislatures return to property tax reform and primary homes without property tax. Additional gaming is not needed or desired for Indiana from my viewpoint.
doublehook

San Francisco, CA

#25 Feb 10, 2008
Sven wrote:
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As you've said before,(several times) pea-shake gambling is still happening....So...you're logic is to restrict more gambling. Hmm...isn't that why pea-shake houses exist? Because they can't legally gamble?
Yes and this is not Chicago so go vote early and often there. Here in Indiana, as a state, we are generally conservative compared to your Chicago. Also our COLTS beat your BEARS (just a side fact). I, as most in Indiana, prefer our midwestern values of family centered purpose and goals. I know of no legal minded personality that desires to go into gambling as a venture for personal, family or community business.

Since: Nov 07

New Palestine, IN

#26 Feb 10, 2008
I fully support more gambling in Indiana! Money spent on gambling supports the economy just as much as money spent on any anything else (assuming both are legal). Come on people, look out West where every Indian reservation has a casino. Show me one case where the community is not better off because of the infusion of money into the economy through the casinos.

There is nothing wrong with pull tabs. The arguments I've read here against them and other forms of gambling are simply rediculous and totally without merit.
Sven

Chicago, IL

#27 Feb 10, 2008
James_A_Ritchie wrote:
One last comment. One thing is undeniable. Every single dollar the state makes off gambling is a dollar that cam out of someone's pocket, and it's a dollar that was wasted. It's a dollar that was not spent to help the family it came from, a dollar that was not spent to aid the economy by buying a product or a service.
...Ok...who provides the gambling machines? Where are they located? How often do you hear about people talking about how poor Las Vegas is? Those small, ordinary buildings were built with the money spent on gambling.../sarcasm

Those buildings were VERY expensive...the construction workers that built them were paid with the money that was obtained through people gambling.

Yes...money spent on gambling is wasted.*rolls eyes*
Lets Party

Decatur, IL

#28 Feb 10, 2008
I say make prostitution legal. The health dept. could license it like restaurants. Tax it and make plenty of money for the state. I'd rather pay for that then a lottery ticket anyday.
Payin-the-Toll

Indianapolis, IN

#29 Feb 10, 2008
I'm confused about the proposal for taverns getting pull tabs. I know that a few years after the lottery started, bars and taverns had some type of pull tabs that they'd throw in a bowl (not numerically listed like scratch-offs), and they'd cost $.50 or $1.00. Also, some groceries, gas stations, etc., have pull tab machines next to the scratch-off machines. So when did they change the law about bars and taverns? Also, the article seems to imply that the Hoosier Lottery was first, but scratch off tickets were first, then the Hoosier Lottery came 6 months to a year later.
Sven

Chicago, IL

#30 Feb 10, 2008
doublehook wrote:
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Yes and this is not Chicago so go vote early and often there. Here in Indiana, as a state, we are generally conservative compared to your Chicago. Also our COLTS beat your BEARS (just a side fact). I, as most in Indiana, prefer our midwestern values of family centered purpose and goals. I know of no legal minded personality that desires to go into gambling as a venture for personal, family or community business.
lol...I'm not from Chicago, nor do I currently live there. My originating I.P. is from there. That's where my service provider is out of...*insert foot/mouth*

Just because your experience doesn't yield results of gambling operations beginning with legit purposes, does not make it right.

Also, just because you and our state might VALUE family goals, does not make it right to restrict the rights of others that do not share the same VALUES as you do. Are YOU personally effected by gambling? I am not. I do not gamble, but I also know that it is not morally right for me to forcably restrict others from doing so when it does not effect me in the slightest bit.
Sven

Chicago, IL

#31 Feb 10, 2008
Lets Party wrote:
I say make prostitution legal. The health dept. could license it like restaurants. Tax it and make plenty of money for the state. I'd rather pay for that then a lottery ticket anyday.
Everytime that prostitution has been legal (and regulated) in the modern world, there has been less STDs in those communities.

In other words, I agree with you; though I would not partake in it...I just believe that it should be legal.
mark

United States

#32 Feb 10, 2008
QBVR wrote:
I fully support more gambling in Indiana! Money spent on gambling supports the economy just as much as money spent on any anything else (assuming both are legal). Come on people, look out West where every Indian reservation has a casino. Show me one case where the community is not better off because of the infusion of money into the economy through the casinos.
There is nothing wrong with pull tabs. The arguments I've read here against them and other forms of gambling are simply rediculous and totally without merit.
The money from legalized gaming was sold to us voters as a way to help fund schools and build better roads here in Indiana. It didn't take any time at all for the state legislature to divert it to special interests and away from what they sold it to us for. They did the same thing with the tobacco settlement money and it won't be long before they do it with the toll road money. All the while crying that they don't have enough money to run the state government. What a crock.
Mike

United States

#33 Feb 10, 2008
doublehook wrote:
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Yes and this is not Chicago so go vote early and often there. Here in Indiana, as a state, we are generally conservative compared to your Chicago. Also our COLTS beat your BEARS (just a side fact). I, as most in Indiana, prefer our midwestern values of family centered purpose and goals. I know of no legal minded personality that desires to go into gambling as a venture for personal, family or community business.
Uh, excuse me skippy. Why do you think we have gambling if our "midwestern values of family centered purpose and goals" are so against it? You do realize we wouldn't have gambling at all in this state if the majority of people weren't for it don't you? Typical religious zealot trying to pass your views off as the majority opinion. Go back to Iraq or Iran where such religo-facism is more accepted.
Bob

Fishers, IN

#34 Feb 10, 2008
Why do we have elected officials? The all-knowing Star should be in charge.

Since: Nov 07

New Palestine, IN

#35 Feb 10, 2008
mark wrote:
<quoted text> The money from legalized gaming was sold to us voters as a way to help fund schools and build better roads here in Indiana. It didn't take any time at all for the state legislature to divert it to special interests and away from what they sold it to us for. They did the same thing with the tobacco settlement money and it won't be long before they do it with the toll road money. All the while crying that they don't have enough money to run the state government. What a crock.
I do not disagree with your response. It reminds me that I forgot to mention that all tax money from gambling should go to reduce taxes for citizens.(and now that you mention it, tobacco settlement money should go to former smokers or people trying to quit smoking!)
zachery cummings

Indianapolis, IN

#36 Feb 10, 2008
I keep hearing and seeing all the negatives of gambling in Indiana.It takes from the low income hoosiers and makes crime skyrocket. If you ask me crime has already been high and not all associated with gambling.And lets talk about this, alcohol ruins lives everyday but we don't talk about that. If you are an adult you should be able to manage your money. I am 28yrs old and I like to gamble but I do it responsibly if I don't have enough money to bet then I don't.If these people are low income what are they doing in a bar throwing there money away on alcohol.I would like to know where these people come up with these comments they put in the star.The editor should do a better job and keep negative comments out of the OUR VOICES section.
Amused

San Francisco, CA

#37 Feb 10, 2008
James_A_Ritchie wrote:
One last comment. One thing is undeniable. Every single dollar the state makes off gambling is a dollar that cam out of someone's pocket, and it's a dollar that was wasted. It's a dollar that was not spent to help the family it came from, a dollar that was not spent to aid the economy by buying a product or a service.
They say a fool and his money are soon parted, and it's true. Nowhere is there more proof of this than in gambling. Gambling is a fool's paradise.
Part of me says fine, let the fools waste their money. Trouble is, every last time a fool spends money on gambling, it harms the entire state and everyone in it. Gambling does seem to make the foolish happy, but as the saying goes, When A Fool Is Happy, Wise Men Shudder.
So tell me, what do you get when you spend $200. to go to a colts game? The Indy 500..or whatever form of entertainment you enjoy. At least with gambling you have a chance of leaving with more than you came with. With Cots tickets you get to see a game then leave and pay more tax to keep them in town...what a deal
Oh Come on

Nashville, GA

#38 Feb 10, 2008
The Star's Editorial staff has been Pro Riverboat vs Racinos for some time. Now the star is jusifying their stance by claiming out of stae residents are getting hurt but not to many Indiana residents are? Your obvious bias is laughable.
weety

Newark, OH

#39 Feb 10, 2008
To gamble or not seems to be a moral issue and it is not the states duty decide what peoples morals should be.
JUDY B

AOL

#41 Feb 10, 2008
MORE GAMBLING EQUALS LOWER TAXES !

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