Governor should just say no to more gambling

Full story: The Indianapolis Star

Our position: The governor should make clear he won't allow another expansion of gambling on his watch.
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Patriot

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Feb 6, 2008
Stop crying like some littel child! Gambling is not evil its just another name for revenue! If Indiana was such a bible dependent state it could have alot more business here and alot more revenue! This state is so backwards,you can't buy a car on Sunday or carryout liquor, you know why? because the Churches want you in Church giving them money! I say tax the Church system in this country and let them pay their fair share! I would be willing to bet if you would have turned Union Station into several Casinos we would have had the suprebowl bid won hands down!
Dennis_Daviess Co

River Falls, WI

#2 Feb 6, 2008
And just who told the star that they had a right to speak for the people anyway? And Patriot you are right about the churches in this state. They have no business weighting in on this either. If you don't pay taxes then you have no right what so ever to give opinions on anything that pertains to the government. If they want a say so in this matter then start paying their fair share of taxes to the state and they can have that right, but until then keep your mouths shut. And like I said earlier the star does not speak for the people, They speak for themselves only. I'm quite sure we can make decisions without their help.
oh yeah

Chicago, IL

#3 Feb 6, 2008
Patriot wrote:
Stop crying like some littel child! Gambling is not evil its just another name for revenue! If Indiana was such a bible dependent state it could have alot more business here and alot more revenue! This state is so backwards,you can't buy a car on Sunday or carryout liquor, you know why? because the Churches want you in Church giving them money! I say tax the Church system in this country and let them pay their fair share! I would be willing to bet if you would have turned Union Station into several Casinos we would have had the suprebowl bid won hands down!
It's the Churches' fault??
It's the fault of the Churches that we didn't win the super bowl bid because we don't have enough gambling options in this state??
Please identify the Church that is behind this conspiracy. I would like to become a member of that Church! What power must come from that Church!
oh yeah

Chicago, IL

#5 Feb 6, 2008
Dennis_Daviess Co wrote:
And just who told the star that they had a right to speak for the people anyway? And like I said earlier the star does not speak for the people, They speak for themselves only. I'm quite sure we can make decisions without their help.
Dude, it's an editorial piece - an opinion based article. I believe every newspaper has them. This type of article is most often used to generate discussion. Uh...which apparently it did.
Ben Franklin

Covington, KY

#6 Feb 6, 2008
Hey Rynerson. why do you despise freedom?
Ben Franklin

Covington, KY

#7 Feb 6, 2008
oh yeah wrote:
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It's the Churches' fault??
It's the fault of the Churches that we didn't win the super bowl bid because we don't have enough gambling options in this state??
Please identify the Church that is behind this conspiracy. I would like to become a member of that Church! What power must come from that Church!
You obviously have no idea of the history of the Blue Laws in Indiana.
Action

Cicero, IN

#8 Feb 6, 2008
They use their editorial space to LOBBY!! They should be ashamed. I wonder if they report how much they spend in this fashion to influence public policy....
Not a tax

Shelbyville, IN

#9 Feb 6, 2008
If it is not a tax imposed on property owners and working folks and will raise revenue that will be used to lower taxes, I am all for it. This is not a tax imposed on property owners and working folks that, in theory at least, could be used to lower taxes. Therefore, I am all for it. I agree with Patriot's sentiment that Churches and other not-for-profit corporations which do not pay property taxes should have no say in this.
Voice in the wilderness

United States

#11 Feb 6, 2008
People are going to gamble in no less or greater numbers regardless of the legalities and certainly regardless of the sanctimonious opinion of the Indianapolis Star. I say expand these gambling venues so that the State of Indiana can get it's fair share of taxes from these activities. Whether the anti-gaming establishment likes it or not, gaming is a thriving industry in this country and Indiana ought to capitalize on this growing trend.

Since: Apr 07

Columbus, OH

#12 Feb 6, 2008
Patriot wrote:
Stop crying like some littel child! Gambling is not evil its just another name for revenue! If Indiana was such a bible dependent state it could have alot more business here and alot more revenue! This state is so backwards,you can't buy a car on Sunday or carryout liquor, you know why? because the Churches want you in Church giving them money! I say tax the Church system in this country and let them pay their fair share! I would be willing to bet if you would have turned Union Station into several Casinos we would have had the suprebowl bid won hands down!
I'm for a casino at Union Station!!

It would be great and bring in lots of money,plus the Super Bowl.
troschne

Zionsville, IN

#13 Feb 6, 2008
So--just so I am clear--as the Star would have it, we would close down the casinos, eliminating hundreds, if not thousands, of jobs, not to mention the revenue these establishments generate to the localities in which they are located, and not make money from the pull-tabs, which will still exist, no matter whether they are legal or not. I am all for a cap on property tax, but the money to fund law/fire/EMT respondors (not to mention everything else that property tax funds) has to come from someplace. PLEASE--get a grip, Star Editorial Board. Come back down from your soap box and look at the REAL WORLD.
Truth

New Palestine, IN

#14 Feb 6, 2008
Muncie Rep. Dennis Tyler introduced this bill?

John Neal is scheduled to be released Nov. 1, 2008, according to the federal Bureau of Prisons?

Any connection?

Man Arrested, Businesses Raided In Gambling Probe

MUNCIE, Ind.-- An 18-month investigation resulted in the arrest Monday of a Muncie man accused of being involved in a wide-ranging gambling operation in Delaware and Madison counties, authorities said.

Authorities said they believe John Lewis Neal owned video poker machines that were distributed in the two counties. During raids on Monday morning, investigators seized Neal's residence and 23 businesses that sell alcoholic beverages in the counties and are believed to have connections to Neal, according to a release from the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco Commission.

Authorities also confiscated alcohol sales permits from the businesses. Investigators also were trying serve arrest warrants charging 52 other people with gambling-related felonies, authorities said.

Neal faces felony charges of professional gambling, promoting professional gambling, money laundering and corrupt business influence. Neal was being held Monday with bond set at $1 million.

Federal authorities arrested Neal in 1999 on suspicion that he engaged in a criminal gambling enterprise. He was sentenced to 42 months in prison after a guilty plea and agreed to stop engaging in illicit business, ATC officials said.

More than 80 law enforcement officers were involved Monday's raids, the ATC said.

The raided businesses will get an opportunity to get their liquor licenses back. ATC officials said additional charges are possible as the investigation moves forward.

Businesses included in the raids:

Muncie Coin, 1521 W. Walnut St. Muncie, IN
Video Services, 1520 S. High St., Muncie, IN
The Curve, 112 S. Park Ave., Alexandria, IN
Happy Times, 114 Harrison St., Alexandria, IN
Montyís Bar, 28 W. Main St., Alexandria, IN
Big Babyís, 1929 W 8th St., Anderson, IN
The Caboose, 16 E. 15th St., Anderson, IN
The Getaway, 2332 Columbus Ave., Anderson, IN
Pelletrinoís, 1422 Meridian St., Anderson, IN
Rickís Corner Cafť, 2828 Pendleton Pike, Anderson, IN
The Lamplighter, 2424 Arrow Ave., Anderson, IN
LTís Hideaway, 2017 W. Eighth St., Anderson, IN
Do-Len-Skiís Supper Club, 4239 E. County Road 67, Chesterfield, IN
The Spot, 410 E. Main St., Chesterfield, IN
Lonnieís Bar, 14501 W. Commerce Rd., Daleville, IN
Mississenewa Tavern, 125 W. Harris, Eaton, IN
My Favorite Place, 1900 S. Anderson, Suite 7, Elwood, IN
Gaston Gardens, 106 W. Elm St., Gaston, IN
The Anchor Lounge, 3535 S. Ebright, Muncie, IN
Big Johnís Bar, 402 W. Eighth St., Muncie, IN
By Pass Bar and Grill, 3520 S. Meeker Ave., Muncie, IN
Chances R Bar, 3421 S. Walnut, Muncie, IN
The Town Tavern, 102 Main St., Summitville, IN
Stag Bar, 2801 S. Madison, Muncie, IN
Village Inn, 2221 E. Jackson St., Muncie, IN
Truth

New Palestine, IN

#15 Feb 6, 2008
The author of the bill, Rep. Dennis Tyler, D-Muncie, argues it is needed to help many of Indiana's mom-and-pop bars and taverns stay afloat.

"These small-business people, bars and taverns are just good people trying to make a living and keep their people working," Tyler said. "This allows those small businesses to remain competitive in a real tough economic climate."

Is Muncie Rep. Dennis Tyler friends with former Yorktown John Neal and his gambling network.

John Neal Busted Again on Serious Illegal Gambling Charges

John Neal, a former top Indiana state Teamster's chief, was arrested when cops discovered over $1 million dollars hidden in the wall of his home as part of an inquiry into a suspected gambling operation that he was managing.

His latest arrest comes about 2 years after he was released from federal prison. Back in 2000, Neal pleaded guilty to illegal gambling, tax evasion and money laundering. Despite serving hard time for his crimes, Neal was obviously not rehabilitated during his time behind bars.

The former Teamster's boss now faces felony charges of money laundering, illegal gambling, and corrupt business practices. Authorites confiscated millions of dollars in pure cash, and arrested several associates with whom he had relations and people who supposedly worked for him.

We're awaiting word on when he'll go before a judge and hear the official charges read against him. It has been widely speculated that he will not be granted bail, and that he could face up to 25 years in prison, if convicted.

September 20, 2006
Posted By Terry Goodwin
Staff Editor, CasinoGamblingWeb.com
Cold One

Reston, VA

#16 Feb 6, 2008
Guess I'll let the Cubs slame go...what Indiana needs to do is decriminalize ALL gambling, or criminalize ALL gambling. This "gambling is okay as long as the State is the house" nonsense is just that. A bit of logical consistency would go a long way.
Citizen

New Palestine, IN

#17 Feb 6, 2008
Here we go again, the House has passed another expansion of gambling.

This time they want to reward the bars that were breaking the law with illegal Cherry Masters and Pea Shakes with legal pull tab gambling.

Ironic considering these same bars were not paying taxes on their illegal gains and probably will not in the future.

Could someone shed some light on the secretive games being played around our state's multi-BILLION dollar gambling industry?

Maybe the Attorney General or a Federal Abscam type sting, or a Investigative Media Report like the one on our politicians behavior surrounding the Build Indiana Fund.
Burt

New Palestine, IN

#18 Feb 6, 2008
I don't remember legalizing gambling at every Moose Lodge, VFW, and Knights of Columbus Lodge part of the public discussion on the expansion of gambling at the horse tracks last session.

What is going on????
Burt

New Palestine, IN

#19 Feb 6, 2008
I say pass a law outlawing gambling in Indiana's Moose Lodges, VFW Halls, Knights of Columbus Lodges, and put more money into hiring folks to enforce the current laws against illegal cherry masters, pea shakes, bingo, and texas holdem houses at the bars and taverns.

It would give our designated legal Casinos and Racinos a fighting chance of surviving and not expose our children to this vice at every restaurant, club, truck stop, corner store, and lodge in the state.
hey

Michigan City, IN

#20 Feb 6, 2008
Because........
Someone

Burbank, CA

#21 Feb 6, 2008
If people want to gamble, let them gamble. What's the big deal? If you are going to restrict someone's freedom you better have a darn good reason.
JanetM

Winslow, IN

#22 Feb 6, 2008
Not a tax wrote:
If it is not a tax imposed on property owners and working folks and will raise revenue that will be used to lower taxes, I am all for it. This is not a tax imposed on property owners and working folks that, in theory at least, could be used to lower taxes. Therefore, I am all for it. I agree with Patriot's sentiment that Churches and other not-for-profit corporations which do not pay property taxes should have no say in this.
If you don't know politicians by now then you should re-educate yourself! If they have an additional revenue source, they will spend it and your other taxes will not go down one penny. Regardless of whether churches pay taxes or not they have every much a right to speak out as you do.

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