French Lick casino attendance drops

French Lick casino attendance drops

There are 92 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 9, 2007, titled French Lick casino attendance drops. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The state's newest gambling destination had the fewest visitors of any Indiana casino last month, and admission numbers have steadily decreased since the French Lick Resort Casino first opened in November.

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jim

AOL

#66 Jun 10, 2007
if the atttence is down why is the motel so high ........should offer deals...
William Johnson

Tell City, IN

#67 Jun 11, 2007
Having worked at both French Lick and Caesars, there is no doubt that French lick will eventually close. They have slots with payouts of 88%, when other casino's have payouts of 98%!!! As one of the vendors said while installing the slots "I guess they want to get all their money up front".

The IGC does make sure there is no tampering with the machines, but the casino sets the payout percentages.

If you want 'ambiance' go to French Lick. If you want to win once in a while, go ANYWHERE else.

At Caesars, we were given incentives (money) if we met certain goals, and were polite and friendly to the visitors. At French Lick, we were just happy to keep our jobs another day. Explains why the difference in 'percieved friendliness'.
Bob

Indianapolis, IN

#68 Jun 11, 2007
Attendance peaked at opening because everyone wanted to check out the new casino. It tapered off as the newness wore off and people went elsewhere. Eventually, attendance will level off.
French Lick Casino worker

Bloomington, IN

#69 Jun 24, 2007
All i have to say is the only peolpe you hera complain is the sore losers who didnt win because they just expect to walk in and get rich.Basically for people like you is the people we dont care if you come in or not.Check the stats on indiana casino payout.How amazing French Lick is on top.I have been to evry casino in Indiana and if i wasn't an employee at French Lick it would be the place i would go to gamble.
Griffco76

Newburgh, IN

#70 Jun 25, 2007
I knew that this experiment in French Lick would fail bigtime. As far as Casino Aztar in Evansville is concerned...at least we have a brand new 40-million dollar entertainment district with an all-purpose sports arena to come in the next couple of years! Sure, you've probably heard that the F-L casino has hurt revenues at Aztar but that's to be expected in the short term. The novelty is now wearing off up their in F-L...while Indiana's first-ever Casino is moving forward in an area that has seen 300 Million dollars in new investment over the past 10 years! And unlike F-L...if our boat ever goes belly-up..we have the Hotel, Pavilion, Entertainment District and revitalized Riverwalk that fronts the Ohio River! Come see us and you'll see! Coming in 2009...the Arena at RiversEdge!
Dottie

Louisville, KY

#71 Jun 28, 2007
I like French Lick Casino. It is a pretty building and the slots seem loose. I've played there at least a half dozen times since they have opened and have always enjoyed myself. The room set aside for holders of the amber card could have some type of refreshment besides M&M and peanuts, other than that, it's OK.
gas guzzler

Palo Alto, CA

#72 Jun 29, 2007
Gotta use that extra money for gas and taxes now, sorry.

Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#73 Jun 29, 2007
Griffco76 wrote:
I knew that this experiment in French Lick would fail bigtime. As far as Casino Aztar in Evansville is concerned...at least we have a brand new 40-million dollar entertainment district with an all-purpose sports arena to come in the next couple of years! Sure, you've probably heard that the F-L casino has hurt revenues at Aztar but that's to be expected in the short term. The novelty is now wearing off up their in F-L...while Indiana's first-ever Casino is moving forward in an area that has seen 300 Million dollars in new investment over the past 10 years! And unlike F-L...if our boat ever goes belly-up..we have the Hotel, Pavilion, Entertainment District and revitalized Riverwalk that fronts the Ohio River! Come see us and you'll see! Coming in 2009...the Arena at RiversEdge!
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. F-L hasn't been open long enough to establish a trend. WBSH just came on line, and that's a much nicer facility than any hotel in Evansville, probably the state. They can't move the casino at F-L, unlike the Riverboat at Evansville, and they have two historic and scenic hotels with serious history behind them. Give F-L some time and a good way to get there.

Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#74 Jun 29, 2007
Deb wrote:
On my first trip to French Lick I won 2 big jackpots.That will be my last visit.
No electricity in the air. H.R.area is a joke as well as the poker room(it was closed) & only one restaurant was open (I guess we got there at a bad time)to many
pennie slots. & to far away. We need a casino on the wabash river ..wake up gambling is here to stay
It's a Continental European style spring resort, not Vegas. In fact, it's the ANTI-Vegas. You can have Vegas for all I care.
Rick

United States

#75 Jul 5, 2007
French Lick Casino worker wrote:
All i have to say is the only peolpe you hera complain is the sore losers who didnt win because they just expect to walk in and get rich.Basically for people like you is the people we dont care if you come in or not.Check the stats on indiana casino payout.How amazing French Lick is on top.I have been to evry casino in Indiana and if i wasn't an employee at French Lick it would be the place i would go to gamble.
Hello?

"French Lick Casino Ranks Last In Customer Winnings"

Google it and you will find all the information.
Ok Rick

Bradenton, FL

#76 Jul 5, 2007
Link Please!!!!
Ryan

Bedford, IN

#77 May 27, 2008
I'm from french lick, the management really dose suck there and they have the whole town kinda backward now (as if it was even going in the right direction in the first place)...the cook group doesnt know how to run a casino! They run a pharmaceutical company! I mean that's like the exact opposite market...gambling and pharmaceuticals don't go hand and hand! It will finally be straitened out...it's kind of pretty down here, but not really the building going up is cheap and horrible looking! And the flooding problem has yet to be solved...they have literally poured money into that valley and it still looks horrible! Half that town needs to be bulldozed and rebuilt...it's just a huge backward mess, but what would you expect from the MIDWESTS "number one destination"?
Part truth

Bloomington, IN

#78 May 27, 2008
Ryan, sounds like you have been fired from there and just want to bash the place. The Cook people have the resources to get the place on the right track, and don't forget it. Failure is not in their vocabulary.
French licked

Channahon, IL

#79 Jan 18, 2009
We lost a grand there again. We do not win at this location. The slots must be set on win every 10 hours only.
Doesnt matter

Louisville, KY

#80 Jan 19, 2009
I went last September and played close to 4 hrs with $20. That was on the Nickel slots. We do not go expecting to win big. We went simply to check the place out and pass some time. I myself think it is a nice place. A little cold on the boat, but other than that, the staff was friendly and we had no problems. We stayed overnight and the rooms were nice, compared to what they looked like before the renovation. We also went to West Baden and checked the inside of it out since they reopened. I was in awe looking at everything. It a very nice place. The only thing I didnt like was the shops inside West Baden. The Harley Davidson store waaay too pricey. I guess because the shirts had French lick on them and they thought everyone would want to buy one just for that reason. Not me. They said they have a real nice winery in that area also, and I plan on checking that out the next time we go. We rode the train a couple of years ago, and that was nice. The carriage rides were nice that took you around the grounds of French Lick. And I love the porch with all the rockers. The place is not booming with excitement, but if you want to just go and relax, then by all means, go to French Lick. I went to the spa and got a massage, and that was very nice. Everyone thinks all businesses like casinos should have action packed things going on all the time. That is what Vegas is there for. Just my opinion.
I like the fact that their boat is small.
Smith

AOL

#81 Mar 9, 2009
French Lick, sucks.
Doesnt matter

Louisville, KY

#82 Mar 9, 2009
You sound like you took money you didnt have to spend, and lost it. Everyone has an opinion, and I will leave it at that. We just went back up there a couple of weeks ago, and once again won $800 on a nickel machine. Then turned around and won $200 on a quarter machine. The new water park is opening up and cant wait to go see it also.
The place is growing and getting better all the time. A wise thing to do when going there. Take money that is not intended for bills. Then you wont be unhappy when you lose it. I dont care if I win or lose, because I take money that we have left over after the bills are paid. We enjoy the atmosphere and people, not just winning money.
James E

Detroit, MI

#83 Jul 31, 2011
Doesn't seem like the payouts are that great. I live 150 miles away and $5.00 destination dollars, well not much an incentive for me. 50 percent off of rooms that are to me 2 times to much already. Give some better comps F L.
Casino

Tinley Park, IL

#84 Sep 13, 2011
The casino has the worst payouts of any casino I've ever been too. They know people play certain machines in French Lick and believe me you know it right away when you start to play because you never win. If you're hoping to get a drink there, good luck, the waitresses are few, far and in between. You might die from dehydration before you ever get asked if you want a drink.

The only thing I've ever heard people do at the casino is complain about how bad it is.

Say what you will, their machines are rigged.
casino2

Oxford, OH

#85 Sep 26, 2011
Casino wrote:
The casino has the worst payouts of any casino I've ever been too. They know people play certain machines in French Lick and believe me you know it right away when you start to play because you never win. If you're hoping to get a drink there, good luck, the waitresses are few, far and in between. You might die from dehydration before you ever get asked if you want a drink.

The only thing I've ever heard people do at the casino is complain about how bad it is.

Say what you will, their machines are rigged.
In this day and age, it would be tough to rigg a machine. The casinos have to report numbers to the state. Everything is audited, and generally it is public info.

If you're not afraid to do a little math, I can show you which casinos, and which machine denominations are paying the best.
If you look at in.gov/IGC go to publications on the left, then monthly revenue. Pick a month to review.

Look for the EGD (slots) summary sections.
From there you see three interesting tables. One is machine denomination and number of machines, one is coin in (money going in to the machine), and the third is WIN (money the casino wins).
For a given casino, take win, and divide by coin in. This gives you the casino's win percentage. Subtract that from 1, and you get customer win percentage.

For example, in august 2011, French Lick had approximately $6 million win on $73 million coin in, giving a win % of 8.71% for the casino (I used the actual numbers to get the percentages). This translates into the customer winning % of 91.29%.
Looking at casino Aztar, they had $8m on $86m coin in, for 9.38% casino win. The customer win is 90.62%.
For horseshoe (Caesars), they had $18m on $198m coin in, for 9.40% casino win. The customer win is 90.6%.

From those stats, it looks like
French Lick was the better place to play in august 2011. Not only did it pay the customer better, it also had a lower attendance, so less crowds to fight, and a better likelihood that the machine you want to play is available.

You can do similar calculations to see which denomination of games is paying off the best at your favorite casino.
For example, it's generally assumed that the odds are better in high limit; let's look at the $500 slot machine at horseshoe Southern indiana. The table shows that the casino had $26,500 win on $54,000 in coin in, giving that machine a whopping casino win of 49%, customer win of 51%.
Comparing to the overall customer win percentages from above, that machine is a bad bet for the customer!
Now look at French lick's highest denomination game, the two $100 machines.
They had -$25,700 win (casino lost money!), on $350,700 coin in, giving those two machines a casino win
of -7.3%, which gives the customer a win of 107.3%!
Those were the two high limit games to play in august at French Lick!

I know this probably doesn't change your mind about the machines being rigged, which technically, they are. It just happens that we as the consumers can look at the state's website and see which ones are rigged in our favor, and which ones are rigged in the casino's favor.

Keep in mind that past performance doesn't predict future performance, and you should never gamble with more than you are willing to lose.
The percentages above are from a month's worth of data. No one, not even a slot worker can tell you when a machine is going to hit. It's random.

Your best bet is to sign up for the player clubs, watch for special offers on the websites and in your email, and check social media sites for other specials and information.
Using the percentages above, and checking Facebook, it looks like french lick has a progressive that's over $200k in their new non-smoking section. Sounds like a good time for me and my $20!

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