Hearing continues in Livermore road rage killing

There are 19 comments on the Inside Bay Area story from Oct 3, 2011, titled Hearing continues in Livermore road rage killing. In it, Inside Bay Area reports that:

The man accused of killing a Fremont man in a Livermore parking lot after a March 9 road rage incident told a detective he did it in self-defense. Livermore police Detective Marco Esquivel recounted his interview with Cort Holbrook, 42, at Holbrook's preliminary hearing Monday.

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free cort

United States

#1 Oct 4, 2011
man just look at the records......hard working family man vrs drug addicted felon. Please let him free, his family needs him.

Since: Oct 10

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#2 Oct 4, 2011
I agree. I find it outrageous that these mental defectives at the Alameda County DA even brought these charges against him in the first place. The idiot prosecutor Chris "La Fiero" Lamiero, for example, who was the same asshole that sought murder charges against those guys raped (sex by deception) by the transvestite Eddie Araujo, shouldn't even have a job. He probably didn't have the grades or skills to get a job in the private sector so he has to work for the government on their goon squad prosecuting people for defending themselves.
Nicole

Livermore, CA

#3 Oct 4, 2011
I've heard conflicting reports about what happened. While I'd like to think that he did it in self defense I can understand why they'd still have the case. I just hope it goes over fast and he gets to return to his family.

I normally agree with you Anon, but something you said struck a chord. I spent a long time reading over the case and evidence of Eddie Araujo and if that wasn't a murder I don't know what is. While I definitely agree that it was wrong and ridiculously stupid to deceive them into thinking he was a woman it gives them no reason to kill him so brutally. I think it's more of a crime to have sex with someone without telling them you have an std and even that's not illegal. They're the ones that chose to have sex with him without knowing him adequately enough and they're also the ones that chose to meet together at a later time after it had happened and kill him.
CortReporter

Chinese Camp, CA

#4 Oct 4, 2011
Nicole wrote:
I've heard conflicting reports about what happened. While I'd like to think that he did it in self defense I can understand why they'd still have the case. I just hope it goes over fast and he gets to return to his family.

I normally agree with you Anon, but something you said struck a chord. I spent a long time reading over the case and evidence of Eddie Araujo and if that wasn't a murder I don't know what is. While I definitely agree that it was wrong and ridiculously stupid to deceive them into thinking he was a woman it gives them no reason to kill him so brutally. I think it's more of a crime to have sex with someone without telling them you have an std and even that's not illegal. They're the ones that chose to have sex with him without knowing him adequately enough and they're also the ones that chose to meet together at a later time after it had happened and kill him.
Unfortunately you wont convince Anus, I mean Anon.
I am a commuter and people cut me off several times a week. Can you imagine how many deaths there would be if I decided to follow each one that has called me out let him punch me then return to my vehicle, get my cell phone and a knife. Conceal the knife until the dude gets close enough and then stab and kill him so I can later cry self defense?
Instead like a NORMAL person I call 911 and report the driver and plate number. Especially if I am concerned for others as Holbrook states in his testimony.
I was so intrigued, that I took time off work and was present at prelim. trial.
I suggest Anon do the same instead of being such prick to any who disagree with him/her.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#5 Oct 4, 2011
CortReporter wrote:
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Unfortunately you wont convince Anus, I mean Anon.
I am a commuter and people cut me off several times a week. Can you imagine how many deaths there would be if I decided to follow each one that has called me out let him punch me then return to my vehicle, get my cell phone and a knife. Conceal the knife until the dude gets close enough and then stab and kill him so I can later cry self defense?
Instead like a NORMAL person I call 911 and report the driver and plate number. Especially if I am concerned for others as Holbrook states in his testimony.
I was so intrigued, that I took time off work and was present at prelim. trial.
I suggest Anon do the same instead of being such prick to any who disagree with him/her.
First of all, a prelim is a hearing, not a trial. Second, your speculations of hypothetical instances are irrelevant to this case. Normal people defend themselves when threatened with GBI, that's what normal people do. Some, have an interest in good citizenship and identifying and reporting troublemakers. Any citizen should be free to be in any public place he is entitled to be in, without being attacked/assaulted/injured by thugs like Dead Junkie. That's a requirement of a civil society. Doesn't matter if people are arguing - words never hurt anyone. Making a verbal "confrontation" physical is the transgression ; Dead Junkie offered great bodily injury to the victim, who defended himself with necessary force. Case closed. But not in Alameda County, where we have public employees with shit for brains, who insist on blaming the victim (for being unwilling to let himself be battered and injured). Its disgusting.
CortReporter

Chinese Camp, CA

#6 Oct 4, 2011
The Real Anon wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, a prelim is a hearing, not a trial. Second, your speculations of hypothetical instances are irrelevant to this case. Normal people defend themselves when threatened with GBI, that's what normal people do. Some, have an interest in good citizenship and identifying and reporting troublemakers. Any citizen should be free to be in any public place he is entitled to be in, without being attacked/assaulted/injured by thugs like Dead Junkie. That's a requirement of a civil society. Doesn't matter if people are arguing - words never hurt anyone. Making a verbal "confrontation" physical is the transgression ; Dead Junkie offered great bodily injury to the victim, who defended himself with necessary force. Case closed. But not in Alameda County, where we have public employees with shit for brains, who insist on blaming the victim (for being unwilling to let himself be battered and injured). Its disgusting.
Sorry chump, what is disgusting is your blatant disregard for human life. You are probably related to Holbrook.
Even if they let him get away with murder, he is getting now what he deserves. No simpathy here. He mad a choice, now he can deal with it.
BeingPractical

Pleasanton, CA

#7 Oct 4, 2011
I feel they both are guilty for not using their wisdom when it was most needed. Perhaps ego might have played a small role here, who knows.

Anyone, wise (in my opinion) wouldn't have stopped for a confrontation in the first place. Either the cops could have been notified, like someone mentioned earlier, or just distanced himself from the other. What were the expecting - an apology from the other, a handshake after?

Ridiculous that one has to pay in death and the other in life for irrational thinking.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#8 Oct 4, 2011
CortReporter wrote:
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Sorry chump, what is disgusting is your blatant disregard for human life. You are probably related to Holbrook.
Even if they let him get away with murder, he is getting now what he deserves. No simpathy here. He mad a choice, now he can deal with it.
Nice try - the respect for life is the bedrock of my philosophy. We all have the right not to have ours threatened. That means nobody has the right to assault us; we can be secure in our persons. When someone breaks that principle, then they forfeit any rights they have to their safety when their victim uses force to repel their own force. If you weren't such a retard with your simplistic brute animal thug thought processes, this would probably make sense to you. You do understand first causes right?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#9 Oct 5, 2011
BeingPractical wrote:
I feel they both are guilty for not using their wisdom when it was most needed. Perhaps ego might have played a small role here, who knows.
Anyone, wise (in my opinion) wouldn't have stopped for a confrontation in the first place. Either the cops could have been notified, like someone mentioned earlier, or just distanced himself from the other. What were the expecting - an apology from the other, a handshake after?
Ridiculous that one has to pay in death and the other in life for irrational thinking.
The law does not require any such "wisdom" - which I notice you have defined as being what *you* would do, given the benefit of your non-involvement and lofty position in lala theory land and then defined anything but as "irrational". However, there is no law that says you can't confront any person (verbally) or express your opinion, take their picture in a public place , gather evidence of a crime, etc. And as I have stated, anyone has the right to a) free speech, and b) to be in any public place that they are lawfully entitled to be in. And nobody has the right to physically assault another regardless of whether or not they feel someone has insulted them or denigrated their driving, their character, their momma, etc.

Since: Dec 09

Livermore

#10 Oct 5, 2011
Anon Why must you keep this going? If Cort was the mr nice guy that you want him to be He would NOT be in Jail. Even his own fucking neighbors said he was a asshole. He even gave his neighbors a hard look when they drove down the street when he was backing up out of his driveway. I can even remember crossing paths with him at 7-11 HE WAS EVEN A DICK BACK then. Do you have family that you love and care for here in Livermore? If you do then you should want this guy locked up for ever. If somehow someone screws up and lets him out I will bet he will kill again but this time it will be in 2 weeks of getting out of jail. If cort was in a loving relationship before this happened his wife would have got him help. Because he clearly needed it.
CortReporter

Chinese Camp, CA

#11 Oct 5, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
Anon Why must you keep this going? If Cort was the mr nice guy that you want him to be He would NOT be in Jail. Even his own fucking neighbors said he was a asshole. He even gave his neighbors a hard look when they drove down the street when he was backing up out of his driveway. I can even remember crossing paths with him at 7-11 HE WAS EVEN A DICK BACK then. Do you have family that you love and care for here in Livermore? If you do then you should want this guy locked up for ever. If somehow someone screws up and lets him out I will bet he will kill again but this time it will be in 2 weeks of getting out of jail. If cort was in a loving relationship before this happened his wife would have got him help. Because he clearly needed it.
Unfortunately Anon will never back down. He will instead continue with his freedom to kill whenever and whomever we see fit filibuster. Just like Obama, make a whole lot of discourses that sound good and make it seem like, " hey this guy knows what he is talking about" But in the end does not know his pie hole from his drain hole.
He is probably some broken down alcoholic who just hates life in general.
Now maybe some may think me mean to say that but as Anon will agree and defend (to the death) it is my right to freedom of speech. In the end it all does not matter since Anon says that we are all animal brute retards ROFLMA!

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#12 Oct 5, 2011
Mike in Springtown wrote:
Anon Why must you keep this going? If Cort was the mr nice guy that you want him to be He would NOT be in Jail. Even his own fucking neighbors said he was a asshole. He even gave his neighbors a hard look when they drove down the street when he was backing up out of his driveway. I can even remember crossing paths with him at 7-11 HE WAS EVEN A DICK BACK then. Do you have family that you love and care for here in Livermore? If you do then you should want this guy locked up for ever. If somehow someone screws up and lets him out I will bet he will kill again but this time it will be in 2 weeks of getting out of jail. If cort was in a loving relationship before this happened his wife would have got him help. Because he clearly needed it.
Because you're wrong, that's why. And I didn't say he was a "nice guy". That part is mostly irrelevant unless you want to have a contest of who is, by their demonstrated behavior, more antisocial, it is clearly Ziesmer by far. You have a fucking vendetta against the guy or something but he didn't commit any crimes. He defended himself against an assault. Leave all of the activity leading up to Ziesmer assaulting Cort out of the story, and just start from there, because NOTHING THAT CAME BEFORE REALLY MATTERS AT ALL.(except perhaps Ziesmer's terrorist threats). There is no "excuse" for his assault on Cort, there is no duty to retreat,(and specifically the law states that there is none in CA).

So if you and the weak thinkers on here can't recognize, and hold in esteem, our innate natural right to self-defense then we'll never agree. It is a major moral shortcoming borne of a failure to think rationally about the issue.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#13 Oct 5, 2011
CortReporter wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately Anon will never back down. He will instead continue with his freedom to kill whenever and whomever we see fit filibuster. Just like Obama, make a whole lot of discourses that sound good and make it seem like, " hey this guy knows what he is talking about" But in the end does not know his pie hole from his drain hole.
He is probably some broken down alcoholic who just hates life in general.
Now maybe some may think me mean to say that but as Anon will agree and defend (to the death) it is my right to freedom of speech. In the end it all does not matter since Anon says that we are all animal brute retards ROFLMA!
When have I ever said "freedom to kill whenever and whomever we see fit". For the last time, you thick-skulled fucktard, I have said repeatedly that nobody has the right to initiate violence or inflict harm on others. What part of that can you not comprehend, mental midget?
mememe

Bullhead City, AZ

#14 Feb 11, 2012
The Real Anon wrote:
I agree. I find it outrageous that these mental defectives at the Alameda County DA even brought these charges against him in the first place. The idiot prosecutor Chris "La Fiero" Lamiero, for example, who was the same asshole that sought murder charges against those guys raped (sex by deception) by the transvestite Eddie Araujo, shouldn't even have a job. He probably didn't have the grades or skills to get a job in the private sector so he has to work for the government on their goon squad prosecuting people for defending themselves.
once certain evidance is revealed to the public, your gonna feel like an idiot for saying that

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#15 Feb 11, 2012
In the end at least it was the deadbeat junkie that got it and not some undeserving innocent person.
You Fool

San Francisco, CA

#16 Feb 17, 2012
Mike in Springtown wrote:
Anon Why must you keep this going? If Cort was the mr nice guy that you want him to be He would NOT be in Jail. Even his own fucking neighbors said he was a asshole. He even gave his neighbors a hard look when they drove down the street when he was backing up out of his driveway. I can even remember crossing paths with him at 7-11 HE WAS EVEN A DICK BACK then. Do you have family that you love and care for here in Livermore? If you do then you should want this guy locked up for ever. If somehow someone screws up and lets him out I will bet he will kill again but this time it will be in 2 weeks of getting out of jail. If cort was in a loving relationship before this happened his wife would have got him help. Because he clearly needed it.
I am sure YOUR neighbors would say the same thing about you. Now your wife on the other hand has a "good" reputation with the Fire Department Right?
Commuter

Livermore, CA

#17 Feb 18, 2012
One can bad mouth the police, DA, etc, but in the end, a jury of his peers will determine whether or not it was justifiable self defense or murder by some degree. That is unless there is a plea bargin.
I too get cut-off on a daily basis on my commute to/from Oakland, but the most nasty ones are women, with their children in the car and they have no qualms about showing the finger and screaming obcentities in front of thier children. Why? Because they just had to stop at Starbucks first to get that morning latte and are late dropping their kids off. Still, taking a human life over a road incident is a pretty sad indicator of how bad our society has fallen. The real question is what are the real factors that lead someone to be so rage ridden to kill? I will bet it was more than just being cut off.
Also, don't let Anon get you off the subject matter. Let have his say and keep posting about issues on the topic and try, I know it is very hard, not to respond to responses filled with foul laden laments.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#19 Feb 23, 2012
Commuter wrote:
One can bad mouth the police, DA, etc, but in the end, a jury of his peers will determine whether or not it was justifiable self defense or murder by some degree. That is unless there is a plea bargin.
I too get cut-off on a daily basis on my commute to/from Oakland, but the most nasty ones are women, with their children in the car and they have no qualms about showing the finger and screaming obcentities in front of thier children. Why? Because they just had to stop at Starbucks first to get that morning latte and are late dropping their kids off. Still, taking a human life over a road incident is a pretty sad indicator of how bad our society has fallen. The real question is what are the real factors that lead someone to be so rage ridden to kill? I will bet it was more than just being cut off.
Also, don't let Anon get you off the subject matter. Let have his say and keep posting about issues on the topic and try, I know it is very hard, not to respond to responses filled with foul laden laments.
I guess you're completely unfamiliar with the case. Cort didn't attack anyone. And he didn't take a life over a road rage incident. He did that in self-defense.

Dead junkie *did* though. Dead Junkie was homicidal from the beginning and looking for a fight, apparently. Probably some kind of psychosis caused by a long history of substance abuse.
eyeforeye

Modesto, CA

#20 Feb 25, 2012
The Real Anon wrote:
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I guess you're completely unfamiliar with the case. Cort didn't attack anyone. And he didn't take a life over a road rage incident. He did that in self-defense.
Dead junkie *did* though. Dead Junkie was homicidal from the beginning and looking for a fight, apparently. Probably some kind of psychosis caused by a long history of substance abuse.
Interesting that your opinion in regards to the dead guy are the same conclusions I reach whenever I read your posts.

I am familiar with case. It is about a " junkie" and his " killer" (stupid bastards).

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