Jehovah's Witnesses.. and a 14-year-old Run-Away {Abuse}

There are 20 comments on the Free Republic story from Sep 11, 2012, titled Jehovah's Witnesses.. and a 14-year-old Run-Away {Abuse}. In it, Free Republic reports that:

Jehovah's Witnesses, Hells Angels, Serial Killers, Dissociative Identity Disorder and a 14-year-old Run-Away is the author's response to the crippling experience she says began with the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1983 and continues to this day.

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unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#1 Sep 11, 2012
another person coming forward. to the jws here instead of puttign down these women why not atand up for them andog after the men in Ny.

since being here i see men who claim to be jws and those studying.. the impression
man wants to be a jw.
step 1 go on a public forum and abuse any woman you dont like.. stalk them here and off here

step 2- take the posts and show your elder to whoever you study with and say look i abuse women

step 3- ok you are not able to be baptized women in this org appear to be second hand possessions of men.. ladies take your daughters and sons and leave.
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the first time your hit throw him out .. not worth it unless he has extensive counseling.

i see this over and over researching on my own and here. the man is the only one dont bible thump either it is your interpretation

this person mentioned the court case. and it appears she is going to fight. i wish her the best and it would be great if more women came forward

just as the author of island of bones..

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#2 Sep 11, 2012
"The victim of a sexual assault by a complete stranger at the age of 13, she writes that she was disfellowshipped the following year for having a defiant attitude and ostracized from her entire family system--though she was not a baptized member."

So who wants to play "spot all the things wrong with that statement"?

I can give you one big one right off the bat...here is a hint: last 7 words.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#3 Sep 11, 2012
Tears of Oberon wrote:
"The victim of a sexual assault by a complete stranger at the age of 13, she writes that she was disfellowshipped the following year for having a defiant attitude and ostracized from her entire family system--though she was not a baptized member."
So who wants to play "spot all the things wrong with that statement"?
I can give you one big one right off the bat...here is a hint: last 7 words.
"though she was not a baptized member." That says it all. We can't help what her family does and a complete stranger means she didn't meet him at the Kingdom Hall.

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#4 Sep 11, 2012
1924 "No doubt many boys and girls who read this book will live to see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, and those other men of old come forth in the glory of their better resurrection, of perfect in mind and body. It will not take long for Christ to appoint them to their post of honor and authority as his earthly representatives. The world and all the present conveniences will seen strange to them at first, but they will soon become accustomed to the new methods. They may have some amusing experiences at first; for they never saw telephones, radios, automobiles, electric lights, aeroplanes, steam engines, and many other things so familiar to us.(The Way To Paradise, 1924, p. 226)

1924 "Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874." (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1924, p5)

1924 "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914.(Watchtower 1924, p. 211)
little lamb

Australia

#5 Sep 11, 2012
MMMM...God says the one who is sinning falls into the net..but the one hoping in him is rescued.

So Jehovah saves, as Jesus name tells us..not an organization..so would rather promote Jehovah who does save then damn a religion that can't save.

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#6 Sep 11, 2012
Geeze Louise wrote:
<quoted text>
"though she was not a baptized member." That says it all. We can't help what her family does and a complete stranger means she didn't meet him at the Kingdom Hall.
Also note that somebody who is not baptized cannot be disfellowshipped. She clearly exaggerated (or flat out lied about) that part of the story. And if she can stretch the truth on that point, then exactly what else has she stretched the truth on?

Of course she is going to paint herself as a saint in her own book, and always play the innocent victim, and always blame the difficult times in her life on some scapegoat outside of herself and her immediate family. Many fall into that habit. And that is why Teary takes what he reads from that account with a heaping portion of salt. With no court records to back up the stories and no interviews with the other people mentioned, one would have to be a complete fool to NOT look at the story skeptically.
jace

Bethesda, MD

#7 Sep 12, 2012
Tears of Oberon wrote:
<quoted text>
Also note that somebody who is not baptized cannot be disfellowshipped..
If you had actually been one of jw and invovled in handling judical cases, you would have known that the WT did take NON BAPTIZED PERSON thru the same process of a judical hearing as a baptized person and an announcment was made to the congo and the person WAS TO BE TREATED JUST LIKE A BAPTIZE JW WHO WAS DFED

but due to you being very very light in the Pants on the subject of Judical matters, your post speaks for itself

this is the only problem i have with many of the posters on forum like this, many LITERALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

my own sister was dealt with this way and TO THIS VERY DAY, many of the person who recall her being Read off UNDER THE OLD ARRANGEMENT OF THE WT SERVICE DEPT, treat her as if she is DFed they will not speak to her , even telling her

"you know i can;t talk to you"

the reason why is because at one time this is how wt dealt with such person

after getting sued , the service dept and legal decided that no more unbaptized person who got into trouble would be handled in this fashion

my suggestion to you Tear is to do some homework on the subject matter way when you speak or post you will not reveal to all readers JUST HOW IGNORANT OF THE SUBJECT matter you really off

get the CDROM and do your home work and then come back from the kiddie table and rejoin Grown folks in the kitchen who are talking

nothing like an poster who reveals he or she HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND ACTUALLY think they made a Big Point, only to be shown, no , you really don't know what you are talking about''

i love this line:

Also note that somebody who is not baptized cannot be disfellowshipped..

poster has NO CONTEXT of how judical matters have been handled over the years

Poor fool

Since: Sep 11

Tunbridge Wells, UK

#8 Sep 12, 2012
Tears of Oberon wrote:
<quoted text>
Also note that somebody who is not baptized cannot be disfellowshipped. She clearly exaggerated (or flat out lied about) that part of the story. And if she can stretch the truth on that point, then exactly what else has she stretched the truth on?
Of course she is going to paint herself as a saint in her own book, and always play the innocent victim, and always blame the difficult times in her life on some scapegoat outside of herself and her immediate family. Many fall into that habit. And that is why Teary takes what he reads from that account with a heaping portion of salt. With no court records to back up the stories and no interviews with the other people mentioned, one would have to be a complete fool to NOT look at the story skeptically.
Hi Oberon

As sad as it is, this story does not entirely ring true. The link does not give us enough details, and it is badly written, contrived too, written in the same 'gutter press' manner that we get here in the U.K... Sensationalism, biased, and designed to win over the reader so as to gain total sympathy with the author against the 'bad boys' of the article, the JW's.

As you read on, it might well be based on "fact",(and "fact" is treated as if handling hot stones here) you can see that it has been contrived so as to victimise JW's...
Hells angels, the 'stranger' who attacked her, and serial killers get off lightly. In this article all three types are conveniently pushed to the background, so that it then highlights what the objective of the exercise is, to scapegoat the JW's.

Here is a link to a site that gives some more details:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/8/prweb976...

Quoted excerpts:

<<"Adele R. Fors was born and raised in Edmonton, Alberta and now resides in Victoria, British Columbia. She is a 4th-generation Jehovah's Witness and the ex-communicated daughter/grand-daughter of two of the most revered church leaders within the secretive Jehovah's Witness sect today.

The victim of a sexual assault by a total stranger at the age of 13, she was disfellowshipped the following year and ostracized from her entire family system--though she was not a baptized member. Her young life quickly fell into wide-spread disarray and dysfunction as depression and mental illness, addiction and abusive relationships became her tragic way of life.

In 1992, she was formally disfellowshipped and ostracized for a second time. She has not had any meaningful contact with her family members since that time. In 2006, following a second divorce and second bankruptcy she was diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder, a complex and persistent mental disorder. Since then she has struggled daily to regain her grasp on life and to complete her memoir, a story she says must be told.">>

Strange ! This article says that the JW's are a secretive sect... So secretive that we aren't really seeing JW's knocking on doors inviting people to there secret hide outs... it's all an illusion.

She was a victim living in Canada...at least she wasn't one of the victims of the Canadian Holocaust in the Church run schools. Thankfully, for small mercies that is, she was not one of the 50,000 missing children, one of the murdered children, one of those children experimented on, beaten or abused and raped by the paedophiles that the Church run schools allowed them to work in.

The last paragraph is enlightening, she is disfellowshipped for a second time !! This means that she must have come back 9 years later ! She must have been re-instated to have been disfellowshipped a second time. So we can ask, why would someone originally so disgruntled and disgusted with the JW's; come back to them 9 years later ?

This book seems to be riding on the back of the Conti case. It's plastered all over the articles, topical of course, and sound 'gain the sales' publicity to place the total blame on the JW's at this moment of time.

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unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#9 Sep 12, 2012
did you read what jace posted? i would believe what he says over many here.

it is the same old.. woman too bad beat her abuse her

there are more conti's cases goign out.. too bad..

as far as the secret society??? research cults and how they take control, how they are not permitted to speak to non members. it is a secret society just as Scientology.

and i do hope her mother (conti) is still reading these sick posts.
Jace

New York, NY

#10 Sep 12, 2012
unlisted wrote:
did you read what jace posted? i would believe what he says over many here.
it is the same old.. woman too bad beat her abuse her
there are more conti's cases goign out.. too bad..
as far as the secret society??? research cults and how they take control, how they are not permitted to speak to non members. it is a secret society just as Scientology.
and i do hope her mother (conti) is still reading these sick posts.
No
Baptized person who were publishers were handled pretty much the same way. In the back room to the wood shed and announced to the hall

Wt got some backlash by persons not jw but merely persons who hawked wt

They revised the whole approved associate and unbaptized prohr to protect them

See all tho was explained at elders school cause else's would ask. Why did the soceity do xyz and if the Instructor knew and it was not confidential they would share it

This is one of the problem when a nonjw attempts to explain judical matters

Since: Sep 11

Tunbridge Wells, UK

#11 Sep 12, 2012
unlisted
unlisted wrote:
did you read what jace posted?
I tried, but not even the Rosetta stone helped.
unlisted wrote:
i would believe what he says over many here.
Naturally, he tickles your ears, and you lick his boots.... then he tickles your ears and you...... ad infinitum !
unlisted wrote:
it is the same old.. woman too bad beat her abuse her
there are more conti's cases goign out.. too bad..
Are you talking about the Canadian Holocaust now ?... Or is that topic too hard to stomach still so that it conveniently remains firmly hidden under the enormous Christendom mat of disgusting crimes ?
unlisted wrote:
as far as the secret society??? research cults and how they take control, how they are not permitted to speak to non members. it is a secret society just as Scientology.
From the perspective of the ones that assume themselves to be orthodox, all others are said to be cults and secret societies !... So, You mean like Jesus and his followers, who were assumed to be a sect by the first century Romans and others ? They thought of the Christians as atheists teaching anti Roman concepts.

So Jesus and the early Christians were a secret sect in your view ?! That's not nice.
unlisted wrote:
and i do hope her mother (conti) is still reading these sick posts.
So do I, and we can all learn that there are "two sides to a coin." and many guilty parties... And that the 'sick posts' can be found by those that ignore the vile acts of Christendom, belittling and undermining the victims in the process of avoiding the topic just so that they can feel comfortable enough to focus on one other religious faction.

What do you think about the fact that Adele went back to the "wicked" JW's after 9 years in 1992, yet she writes of them as the evil party in 1983 Does that make sense to you ?

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jace

Clinton, MD

#12 Sep 12, 2012
Continueing to Educate my Ignorant (without knowledge) Fread Tear on how unbaptized persons were handled

in 1988 the wt shifted how such persons would be handled when they got into "trouble"

when this was covered during the wt study many jw who had kids who were not baptized but were publishers had gotten into trouble were handled like baptized person and announced to the congreation as being in "conduct unbecoming to a christian"

at that point they were treated like DFed person, so for all "practical"purposes such a person was treated as a baptized dfed jw

so many families were happy to let their kids know that according to the WT editorial staff of writers THEY NOW CAN TALK TO THEIR KIDS OR RELATIVES WHO they had not spoken to for decades, and all due to the wt editorials staff tellng them IT WAS NOW OK

HERE YO HAVE GROWN FOLKS WHO HAVE TO BE TOLD BY SOME GHOST WRITERS ITS OK to treat their kids or relatives or these unbaptized persons if you saw them on the street as normal folks

this is where the change was made, 1988, making her back in 83 fall under the OLD RULE IF she was not baptized

back then they treated both like dirt

########

*** w88 11/15 p. 19 par. 18 Helping Others to Worship God ***
How will Witnesses thereafter view the person? Well, at an earlier point he was an ‘unbeliever’ attending meetings. Then he both wanted to be and qualified to be a publisher of the good news. This is no longer the case, so he again is a person of the world. The Bible does not require that Witnesses avoid speaking with him, for he is not disfellowshipped.

*** w88 11/15 Helping Others to Worship God ***
18.(a) After such an announcement, what will Christians bear in mind in personally deciding how to act?(b) Is it necessary completely to avoid unbaptized ones guilty of wrongdoing in the past?
jace

Clinton, MD

#13 Sep 12, 2012
"Is it necessary completely to avoid unbaptized ones "

88 wt

the reason this question was asked during the wt study is because this is what was being done and it was in this article that the wt editorial staff was telling folks ITS OK NOW NOT TO TREAT THEM THIS WAY

LOL
unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#14 Sep 12, 2012
thanks jace. appreciate the information.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15 Sep 12, 2012
Tears of Oberon wrote:
<quoted text>
Also note that somebody who is not baptized cannot be disfellowshipped. She clearly exaggerated (or flat out lied about) that part of the story. And if she can stretch the truth on that point, then exactly what else has she stretched the truth on?
Of course she is going to paint herself as a saint in her own book, and always play the innocent victim, and always blame the difficult times in her life on some scapegoat outside of herself and her immediate family. Many fall into that habit. And that is why Teary takes what he reads from that account with a heaping portion of salt. With no court records to back up the stories and no interviews with the other people mentioned, one would have to be a complete fool to NOT look at the story skeptically.
Yes she did exaggerate or lied about being disfellowshipped. She was never a baptized member of JWs.

Anti-JW will spin it to ones who doesn't know how things work and they may believe it but that would just show their ignorance.

Skepticism is all one can do when looking at such stories where the tale is spun with untruths.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#16 Sep 12, 2012
November 15, 1988 Watchtower
Pages 18-19
Paragraphs 17-19

17 The elders are responsible to ‘shepherd the flock of God in their care.’(1 Peter 5:2) If two elders offering help determine that an unbaptized wrongdoer is unrepentant and unqualified to be a publisher, they will inform the individual. Or if some unbaptized one tells the elders that he no longer wishes to be recognized as a publisher, they will accept his decision. In either case, it is appropriate for the Congregation Service Committee to have a simple announcement made at an appropriate time, saying “ . . . is no longer a publisher of the good news.”

18 How will Witnesses thereafter view the person? Well, at an earlier point he was an ‘unbeliever’ attending meetings. Then he both wanted to be and qualified to be a publisher of the good news. This is no longer the case, so he again is a person of the world. The Bible does not require that Witnesses avoid speaking with him, for he is not disfellowshipped. Still, Christians will exercise caution with regard to such a person of the world who is not worshiping Jehovah, even as Israelites did regarding uncircumcised alien settlers. This caution helps to protect the congregation from any “little leaven,” or corrupting element.(1 Corinthians 5:6) If at some later time he expresses a genuine desire for a Bible study to be held with him, and this seems in order to the elders, perhaps it will help him come to appreciate again what a privilege it is to worship Jehovah with His people.—Psalm 100.

19 If the elders see that a certain person of this sort is an unusual threat to the flock, they can privately warn those endangered. For example, the former publisher may be a youth who has given in to drunkenness or immorality. Despite the announcement that he is no longer an unbaptized publisher, he might attempt to socialize with youths in the congregation. In that situation, the elders would speak privately to the parents of the endangered ones, and maybe to those youths also.(Hebrews 12:15, 16; Acts 20:28-30) In the rare case of a person who is disruptive or violently dangerous, he can be told that he is not welcome at the meetings and that any attempt to enter will be considered trespassing.

* PARAGRAPH 18 FOOTNOTE:

Previously, unbaptized ones who unrepentantly sinned were completely avoided. While, as adjusted above, this is not required, the counsel at 1 Corinthians 15:33 should still be observed.
jace

Clinton, MD

#17 Sep 12, 2012
unlisted wrote:
thanks jace. appreciate the information.
here is how such persons were to be handled:

&#9679; What action should the congregation take with regard to unbaptized associates who fall into serious wrongdoing?

"The Organization book, page 174, shows that unbaptized wrongdoers who have been regularly associating with the congregation maybe disciplined in a way similar to the way baptized wrongdoers are handled.

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here you have it above, the ref is to the OLD ORGANIZATION BOOK NOT THE CURRENT ONE

but note how it goes further NOTE WHAT IT SAYS:

""Some have asked, What is meant by “regularly associating”?
These are not newly associated persons who are studying and who still have their worldly ways. Rather, the persons referred to as “regularly associating” are those who have made some progress in the way of truth and who have been attending meetings regularly over a period of time. Usually they have been sharing in field service, are enrolled in the School,(((((NOTE THE FOLLOWING)))

and have come to be regarded by others as being Jehovah’s witnesses."

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since they were hawking wt on sat folks called them jw and so they were dealt with as jw

"If such an unbaptized associate falls into serious wrongdoing, the elders should talk to him about what is said in the Organization book, pages 128, 129.

If after that he is still unrepentant, in spite of repeated efforts of the elders to help him with his problem, then the congregation and its members must be protected from the danger of contamination, in harmony with Paul’s counsel at Galatians 5:9.

Announcement should be made that his conduct is “unbecoming a Christian,” and that for anyone to continue associating with him would not be in harmony with the counsel of 1 Corinthians 15:33."
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NOTE ABOE ONCE AGAIN:

"for anyone to continue associating with him would not be in harmony with the counsel of 1 Corinthians 15:33"

@@@@@@@@@

WE ALL KNOW WHA 1 COR 15:33 TELLS JW

"He will be denied the privilege of giving student talks, participating in demonstrations from the platform, etc.

No field service reports would be accepted from such a person. In the event the elders later are satisfied that this person shows fruits of repentance, it would be proper to announce that the restrictions on him have been lifted.

With the elders taking the initiative, the congregation can then continue giving loving aid with the view of helping the repentant one along the way to life.
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NOTE ABOVE ONCE AGAIN

"With the elders taking the initiative, the congregation can then continue" AKA SINCE THE ELDERS ARE TALKING TO HIM SO CAN WE NOW

"There may be others, not yet “regularly associating,” who are studying and starting to attend meetings, but who are still contaminated with worldly uncleanness. Of course, no action needs to be taken against these,"

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NOTE AGAIN

"Of course, no action needs to be taken against these"

NO ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN AGAINST THESE, lol

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this is why I TELL JW and jw supporters

DO YOUR HOMEWORK so you will not come off looking Ignorant

\\\\
jace

Clinton, MD

#18 Sep 12, 2012
my bad

the article came from the KM 10-75 page 8

*** Multiple Articles ***

Question Box

• What action should the congregation take with regard to unbaptized associates who fall into serious wrongdoing?
jace

Clinton, MD

#19 Sep 12, 2012
Announcement should be made that his conduct is “unbecoming a Christian

#######

this comment cause a lot of Backlash for the society,so they changed it
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#20 Sep 13, 2012
October 1975 Kingdom Ministry
Page 8

*** Question Box ***

What action should the congregation take with regard to unbaptized associates who fall into serious wrongdoing?

The Organization book, page 174, shows that unbaptized wrongdoers who have been regularly associating with the congregation maybe disciplined in a way similar to the way baptized wrongdoers are handled. Some have asked, What is meant by “regularly associating”?

These are not newly associated persons who are studying and who still have their worldly ways. Rather, the persons referred to as “regularly associating” are those who have made some progress in the way of truth and who have been attending meetings regularly over a period of time. Usually they have been sharing in field service, are enrolled in the School, and have come to be regarded by others as being Jehovah’s witnesses.

If such an unbaptized associate falls into serious wrongdoing, the elders should talk to him about what is said in the Organization book, pages 128, 129. If after that he is still unrepentant, in spite of repeated efforts of the elders to help him with his problem, then the congregation and its members must be protected from the danger of contamination, in harmony with Paul’s counsel at Galatians 5:9. Announcement should be made that his conduct is “unbecoming a Christian,” and that for anyone to continue associating with him would not be in harmony with the counsel of 1 Corinthians 15:33. He will be denied the privilege of giving student talks, participating in demonstrations from the platform, etc. No field service reports would be accepted from such a person. In the event the elders later are satisfied that this person shows fruits of repentance, it would be proper to announce that the restrictions on him have been lifted. With the elders taking the initiative, the congregation can then continue giving loving aid with the view of helping the repentant one along the way to life.

There may be others, not yet “regularly associating,” who are studying and starting to attend meetings, but who are still contaminated with worldly uncleanness. Of course, no action needs to be taken against these, but they should be encouraged to lake steps to clean up their lives. Only when they have done this should they be invited to accompany the publishers in the field service, share in presentations from the platform, etc.(See Organization book, pages 128, 129.) It is our hope that, as they study and apply God’s Word, they will be motivated to make the necessary changes to become acceptable to Jehovah.

This stuff screams, "CULT."

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