City Administrator -- Should his cont...

City Administrator -- Should his contract be renewed??????

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Ruth Ann Skaggs

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Jul 26, 2010
Just heard that on of the items on tonight's City COuncil agenda is a vote to renew (or not) the contract with City Administrator Jim Dismuke.

Mr. Dismuke is only a part-time employee and his salary is nearly $63,000! This seems pretty high for a small town where the elected Mayor is paid around $3,000 and most of the police officers are paid near the poverty level.

Can anyone tell me of some things that he has accomplished during his time with the City of Fredericktown? I would like to know what others know about him.
Juli

Fredericktown, MO

#2 Jul 26, 2010
No follow through (what he has accomplished, or what he has taken credit for?)! I think his salary is horrifying- really goes without saying- and if even a fraction of that money were to be used for an assistant to produce anything, it would be worth it. Using the Americorps Volunteers to do some of his legwork was constructive. Also, I would like to know what the job description actually entails. Other members of the "administration" spend more time in power wars with him over who is and is not allowed to handle things than actually producing anything mentionable. Who is in charge and why does it seem as though there is a constant fight INSIDE of City Hall? If the "administration" can't even work together how are they supposed to support this town? I think the position would be well suited for someone interested in actively engaging the residents and business owners interested in seeing their tax money put to good use.
Denny Henke

Chicago, IL

#3 Jul 26, 2010
I have lost track of how many folks I've heard complain about this issue. Seems that it comes down to the fact that he's getting paid so much for only 3.5 days a week and that that he has not gotten much done. Would be good to know what the city has gotten for that $63,000.

I agree with Ruth and Juli above. Juli makes a great point bringing up the friction inside city hall. Lots of energy wasted there and not nearly enough accomplished.

If you've had any issues/complaints about Mr. Dismuke's position at city hall show up at the city council work session at 5:30pm tonight or the council meeting at 6:30.
Ruth Ann Skaggs

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Jul 26, 2010
Denny Henke wrote:
If you've had any issues/complaints about Mr. Dismuke's position at city hall show up at the city council work session at 5:30pm tonight or the council meeting at 6:30.
I have sent an email to many people asking them to call their council representatives and voice their opinions. And if they can to show up @ 5:30 tonight. It would be great to pack the room!

I also called three of the aldermen myself to air my concerns about renewing Mr. Dismukes contract.

Since: Jun 10

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#5 Jul 26, 2010
Juli wrote:
No follow through (what he has accomplished, or what he has taken credit for?)! I think his salary is horrifying- really goes without saying- and if even a fraction of that money were to be used for an assistant to produce anything, it would be worth it. Using the Americorps Volunteers to do some of his legwork was constructive. Also, I would like to know what the job description actually entails. Other members of the "administration" spend more time in power wars with him over who is and is not allowed to handle things than actually producing anything mentionable. Who is in charge and why does it seem as though there is a constant fight INSIDE of City Hall? If the "administration" can't even work together how are they supposed to support this town? I think the position would be well suited for someone interested in actively engaging the residents and business owners interested in seeing their tax money put to good use.
I completely agree someone who isn't in it for the money! someone who would put the citizens and business owners first. Too bad I have to work tonight or I'd be there to see this. Hope they throw him out tonight.
Dave

United States

#6 Jul 26, 2010
I'm sure Dismukes could buy off the aldermen for a few bills.
Ruth Ann Skaggs wrote:
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I have sent an email to many people asking them to call their council representatives and voice their opinions. And if they can to show up @ 5:30 tonight. It would be great to pack the room!
I also called three of the aldermen myself to air my concerns about renewing Mr. Dismukes contract.
Sponge

Farmington, MO

#7 Jul 26, 2010
Just think what the city could do with that 63000 annually. He's a good guy, but he has hung around to long and is waaay past his prime. I don't see anything he has done other than cause lots of controversy.
Ruth Ann Skaggs

Saint Louis, MO

#8 Jul 27, 2010
Sponge wrote:
Just think what the city could do with that 63000 annually. He's a good guy, but he has hung around to long and is waaay past his prime. I don't see anything he has done other than cause lots of controversy.
After the city pays his benefits and employment taxes, his compensation is actually upwards of $70k.

Yes, Mr. Dismuke is a nice man, good guy. Do you think he is worth $45 +/- per hour. As an economic or community developer he is completely ineffective. As city administrator he creates more turmoil than productivity.

As a citizen and business owner in this town, we would be better served to employ a part-time city manager and hire two really good police officers for that money.

Please contact your alderman. THe city website is listed below and has email contact info for each of the aldermen and their photos, so you know who you are contacting.
http://fredericktownmo.org/council.html

As long as citizens are NOT expressing their opinions, the council will continue to behave irresponsibly on this matter. They actually discussed, at length, the option of renewing his contract with the intent on terminating it WHEN they decide what they want to do!
Denny Henke

United States

#9 Jul 27, 2010
I was at last night's city council meeting along with other FRI folk Ruth, Juli, and Kyle and I agree with Ruth above. Go to that link and from that page you can email the aldermen. They did not renew Mr. Dismuke's contract but they did extend it for 90 days so that they could properly discuss it. Basically they waited to the last minute (his contract expires this Saturday) and were not prepared to deal with the topic. So, we've got 90 days to communicate to them how we would like them to proceed. If they don't hear from you then don't complain if they keep Dismuke on board. There are several of them that would like to see him gone.
One thing to remember is that they can't just get rid of him without having a replacement. But what they can do is start looking for a replacement and they can also lower his pay and require that he work a full 40 hour work week. We need to keep on top of this not only in regards to Mr. Dismuke but also who they hire and how much they plan to pay him. Personally I'd like to see his pay dropped to 30,000 and his hours raised to 40 a week. I think that would also be what I would suggest for the next administrator. There's also talk of paying an administrator even less and having it be a part time position which would leave money to hire another 1-2 part time people to focus on economic and community development work.
Email your aldermen.
Ruth Ann Skaggs

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Jul 27, 2010
I was told this afternoon by the city administrator, that even after lengthy council discussion as to day/time etc. that the Mayor had decided that there would NOT be a special council meeting to discuss the future of the city administrator position. After talking to three of the Aldermen, obviously they did not have a say in this. They have assured me that a meeting will take place.
Jake

East Saint Louis, IL

#11 Jul 27, 2010
get someone in thatll let big businesses come in and make the town grow. also get something for the young people to do. All you old people that run this joke town need to get your asses booted out of office and bring some youth in so we can fix this town. as long as you old fuckers keep running this town itll never succeed
Just Curious

Bonne Terre, MO

#12 Jul 27, 2010
We need people who can work with others and have a good attitude. There is no use in putting people down or making them feel inferior. There are always ways to get your point across without showing how rude you can really be.

Why don't you people take all of your negative thoughts and comments and tun them around into some positive feedback. That would be a great place to start!
Just Wondering

United States

#13 Jul 27, 2010
Who made the decision for this position to be paid so highly? Shame on you City Council members! Mr. Dismuke is just accepting what is offered....shame on you Mr. Dismuke for this atrocity of acceptance. 80% of the people in the county do not make that amount of money for 40+ hours per week. I just posted regarding work ethic related to minimum wage page. I am almost ashamed of myself now. I complained of the service I receive from minimum wage employees...what service is Fredericktown receiving here?$7.25 per hour vs.$45.00 per hour. Anyone making that should work full time and make every penny they are paid worth it. Mr. Dismuke should be advocating for Fredericktown at all times. I know, this is a position of high responsiblity, I only wish I had the education to fill such a position. That would be 40 hours per week and any other time I am needed to represent the community or be available to solicit business for the city. I am sick to my stomach. I do not know anyone working for the City that makes this much....Chief of Police, Police Officers, Park and Recreation, Utilities, etc. Cut the pay! Again, shame on you City Council members AND Mr. Dismuke.
Just Curious

Bonne Terre, MO

#14 Jul 27, 2010
Sounds familiar...look what happened in CA...citizens need to stand up!

http://www.kfvs12.com/global/video/flash/popu...
Lazy Bones

East Saint Louis, IL

#15 Jul 28, 2010
Now I understand how the salary keeps increasing - Ruth, you are adding benefits, etc. If you check with City Hall you will find that the only benefits he gets is the employer's portion of SS tax paid. No insurance or any other perks usually afforded to any employee. You also use the $45 per hour as an absolute - I wonder what the rate would really be if we knew the actual # hours he really puts in. Perhaps they will release that info. One other thing I did check on was what previous admins made - the most recent before Desmuke was $72,000 plus benefits which took it to around $100,000 pkg. The one prior to that was $50,000 or more plus benefits and a car AND the city paid his college tuition and gave him the time off to attend classes. Oh, and at the last one was provided a cell phone. I got this info last year but I'm sure it is still considered public info. Maybe part of the problem is Desmuke doesn't go around bragging about what he has done or complaining about what he's made to do so you think he had done nothing. Sounds as if many of you are making it personal rather than looking at a bigger picture.

Since: Jan 10

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#16 Jul 28, 2010
He worked here once and was fired and the city hired him back. When I worked for the city we had a meeting where they called in all the employees and told them about how they were going to screw us. I was one of the few and the most vocal about how they were screwing us. I had also told them I would be quitting because I though they were shafting us. I was still vocal after my resignation about the "changes" and he told me "Why do you care you no longer work here" and I told him why do you care you are only a fill in administrator and wont be here too long yourself. He was only hired to be Karen Yates yard dog. She hired him to push people around and do the things she didn't want to do like fire the old guy at the waste water plant because he was too old and would cost the city too much money for insurance. All the changes that she wanted were not bad and she even has some good ideas but she lied right to my face and that pissed me off. She said she wasn't comming in and getting rid of people and changing how the city worked and that is the very thing she did. It is her fault we have Jim and I would rather pay someone 100K a year that I trusted thank Pay good ol boy JD another dime. I love Fredericktown and I have even thought about moving in town to be able to run for alderman or mayor. I like Mark a lot but I just hope the Sith lord JD hasn't caused him to go to the Dark Side...

Since: Jan 10

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#17 Jul 28, 2010
Lazy Bones wrote:
Now I understand how the salary keeps increasing - Ruth, you are adding benefits, etc. If you check with City Hall you will find that the only benefits he gets is the employer's portion of SS tax paid. No insurance or any other perks usually afforded to any employee. You also use the $45 per hour as an absolute - I wonder what the rate would really be if we knew the actual # hours he really puts in. Perhaps they will release that info. One other thing I did check on was what previous admins made - the most recent before Desmuke was $72,000 plus benefits which took it to around $100,000 pkg. The one prior to that was $50,000 or more plus benefits and a car AND the city paid his college tuition and gave him the time off to attend classes. Oh, and at the last one was provided a cell phone. I got this info last year but I'm sure it is still considered public info. Maybe part of the problem is Desmuke doesn't go around bragging about what he has done or complaining about what he's made to do so you think he had done nothing. Sounds as if many of you are making it personal rather than looking at a bigger picture.
What has he done? He owns a company and I have heard it is tied into the community development and the city signed over a building a few years ago to use as capitol to get some things going? I was told this and do not know how to substantiate it myself. We need someone in that office that has no past tied to the city and no monetary investment other than their paycheck. Jim out and new blood in is the rule for me. Someone list what he has done for the city for the 60K a year he gets. I have had this argument with a few of my friends and they all say how nice he is and how he is a good man but I want to know besides being able to make people believe that he is the Christ what has he done to earn the check. We no longer need a pit bull for Karen Yates so I think this old dog needs to go lay on the porch....
Ruth Ann Skaggs

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Jul 28, 2010
Lazy Bones wrote:
Now I understand how the salary keeps increasing - Ruth, you are adding benefits, etc. If you check with City Hall you will find that the only benefits he gets is the employer's portion of SS tax paid. No insurance or any other perks usually afforded to any employee. You also use the $45 per hour as an absolute - I wonder what the rate would really be if we knew the actual # hours he really puts in. Perhaps they will release that info. One other thing I did check on was what previous admins made - the most recent before Desmuke was $72,000 plus benefits which took it to around $100,000 pkg. The one prior to that was $50,000 or more plus benefits and a car AND the city paid his college tuition and gave him the time off to attend classes. Oh, and at the last one was provided a cell phone. I got this info last year but I'm sure it is still considered public info. Maybe part of the problem is Desmuke doesn't go around bragging about what he has done or complaining about what he's made to do so you think he had done nothing. Sounds as if many of you are making it personal rather than looking at a bigger picture.
As a person, I like Jim and I have told him so often. He is simply not effective or productive in his position after 4 years of paying him to do this job. I have a copy of his contract, I was at the meeting on Monday when it was stated what his additional compensation is (in addition to the contract). I also expressed my opinion about the previous administrator's salaries and benefits.

I did not hear anyone say that Dismuke does nothing. However, after several years of work, he should not need to go around bragging about what he has done or is doing -- it should be visible -- as in businesses brought in, long range strategic planning, fiscal responsibility, marketing efforts toward tourism, professionalism at City Hall, community development, etc. all duties that are part of his contract and job description.

It doesn't matter how many hours he puts in if he is still not effective as a manager. It doesn't matter to me who is in this position, we are not a community that can afford to spend OVER 65k on that type of position while we can't afford to hire and pay quality law enforcement.

No one is comparing his salary and benefits with previous administrators, the contracts are not the same. It is only about the current position, requirements, salary and productivity/effectiveness. No one that has spoken publicly has made this any type of personal attack. We just need to move on for the good of the community.
Lazy Bones

East Saint Louis, IL

#19 Jul 28, 2010
Mr Johnson - I'm truly sorry you had such a bad experience with the city, mayor and/or city administrator. From what I've been told the city was in pretty dire financial straits at that time and apparently difficult cuts were made that were not fair to anyone affected by them. I understand this is very personal for you but have you thought about talking to Mr Desmuke - not to change your feelings about him - but to tell him face-to-face how you feel, how it affected you and ask him the questions you are putting out here? Oh, and the best way to check on property ownership is to visit the County Assessors office and ask for all property listed in a person's name. If it's a company you are looking for, go the the Missouri Secretary of State's website and search for what you are looking for. It is all public record.
Joebox

Park Hills, MO

#20 Jul 28, 2010
to lazy bones---you are missing the point of all this.he is not worth what we are paying him.i have asked this and many have too.what what and what has he done for the city..please name a few things..here is a few (1) we gave brown shoe building away,for the old wal mart building,on dismukes promise of jobs...huh who has ajob there any one on here??.i was told by a alderman,that his dismuke was the focal center to do this.so the city would still get taxes,water sewer and electric rates on the property.so screw people getting jobs.so now (2) we have a wal mart building.whats in there???nothing,never will be as long as he is in charge.(3) gave a trailer away on the airport land,now now wait--it was to his buddy.yes it was suppose and was up for bids,however,how many people saw that???and it was never brought up in council meeting.(3) he tried to bully a person that owns some land on garrett street,in making them fix a sewer issue with over-flowing water rolling down the street.after this said person had it inspected come to find out it was a city problem.was not made by his land.(4) dismuke is all in favor of higher electric rates,if i made his money i would not care,but 75% people don;t in fred-rock.so once again we would be screwed.and he would enjoy is little enterprise of 60k a year.there is to many negatives not enough postives.in any line of work if you do not perform your tasks you are replaced.its time for his replacement.i hope that mr tripp does not fall for his tricks and suck his butt.mark stand for something.please finally do what the public would want you to do.go forward..show that you are the man you say you are.

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