Amazig Frederick 911 call

Amazig Frederick 911 call

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Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#1 Jan 13, 2013
The woman in this call s actually calling the police because her adult daughter wihdrew money from HER OWN account preventing the caller from stealing it. What is really hilarious is how the caller cinues to change her story constantly during the cal.
http://youtu.be/mEOPEk5bx9E
bob

Frederick, MD

#2 Jan 14, 2013
What is amazin about this 1999 call? Nothing and its not even funny.
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#3 Jan 14, 2013
bob wrote:
What is amazin about this 1999 call? Nothing and its not even funny.
Well, when I saw it on youtube I thought it fairly odd that police were called on 911 to report that a person had taken her own money from her own bank account by the person trying to steal it. When you add in that she keeps changing her story when it becomes obvious police are not biting on the current one eventually accusing the bank of wrongdoing it is funny, just not the ha ha kind perhaps. It happens 3 times.

I find that funny. That the Frederick PD actually wasted manpower sending a patrol officer off patrol to deal with this without charging the reporting party with the false report was not so funny. I am guessing that you see false police reports as ok to make. Am I wrong?

I mean first it was her daughter had stolen her own money because the mother had arranged to misappropriate the funds by closing the daughter's account, the bank seems to have caught her, then it became death threats, then the daughter was an escaped mental patient from one hospital then another then it was a non-residential day program then the bank was in the wrong for cashing a customer check without ID. How did she know her daughter had no ID?

It just got me thinking of how things work in Frederick. That a thief caught in the act could enlist police to harrass bank employees that had thwarted the attempted theft.
bob

Frederick, MD

#4 Jan 14, 2013
These types of calls are very common. FPD responds to %100 of calls. FPD responds to 80,000 plus calls a year and most of themare this pointless
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#5 Jan 14, 2013
bob wrote:
These types of calls are very common. FPD responds to %100 of calls. FPD responds to 80,000 plus calls a year and most of themare this pointless
It wasn't pointless. She made numerous felony accusations some of which contradict themselves. That's a crime.

9-501.
(a) A person may not make, or cause to be made, a statement, report, or complaint that the person knows to be false as a whole or in material part, to a law enforcement officer of the State, of a county, municipal corporation, or other political subdivision of the State, or of the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Police with intent to deceive and to cause an investigation or other action to be taken as a result of the statement, report, or complaint.

(b) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $500 or both.

The fact the FPD does not bother to enforce this statute does not make it ok.
bob

Frederick, MD

#6 Jan 14, 2013
Um, sorry there was no crime committed. This is a simple civil case and the lady is confused. It's a simple service call. I'm sorry you're quite confused.
bob

Frederick, MD

#7 Jan 14, 2013
Besides, this was 1999. Why are you making an issue about it.
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#8 Jan 15, 2013
Are you game to play along and allow me to test your conclusion? This tape was part of research for a paper on serial exploitation of vulnerable populations.

If you doubt a word please say so and I will post a link to the document from which I cite.

The story actually began in the files of Loudon County Chancery case 13954 in 1989 where the husband of the caller was removed as trustee of his mother's estate after using trust funds to buy a swank place for the family, bought houses in his name using trust funds then cash out mortgages, cars... and failed to get her medical attention on a continual basis. The settlement agreement filed with the court sells the huge NVA house and all of his toys setting the caller, husband and child on the street. That is how they end up in Frederick.

This case actually surfaced in a more recent context in the Frederick County District Court case 110100022512010 in 2010. The entry containing the defense of the tapped dry credit account is "SHE HAD NO ESTATE". The bank was suspicious about that likely since the victim was pretty well off a short while ago. The case settled, but has multiply defaulted on the payment thereof.

That is where this incident fits in between what happened above. After losing everything the mother, still in their care, dies, so they inherit a heavily divided pot. When that money ran out the disabled hairdresser caller and cement truck driver husband became desperate. They had anticipated a very large inheritance from a relative that did not work out. Subsequently the husband of the daughter bailed, a little depression, some drugs and a crooked doctor made daughter, previously and after this ordeal, an insurance claims adjuster for a major health ins company, a cash cow.

What you heard is part of what happened when the daughter tried to break free after 4 hospitals refused to keep her over the threatening objections of the caller. It turns out that the caller used a power of attorney in the name of her daughter, to take out loan after loan and even use the POA to sign her name cosigning their loan. That is where District Court 110100036141999 comes in 1999.

After losing this battle, as you heard in the tape, the caller alleged that her daughter had threatened to kill her children. That became the case of the caring old grandmother vs the crazy daughter. What I found was that the hospital record from the last of that string in the tape had intentionally misled the caller so that her daughter could get to the bank when it opened to get her funds. The call is the result of the caller being beaten by 10 minutes by the owner of the funds. Subsequent to the call the caller then made a $500 dip into daughter's overdraft line. The records of the homeless shelter where daughter stayed the few days between hospital and direct deposit show that a shelter affiliate drove daughter to bank. Had the caller secured those funds daughter would be left destitute on the street.

The real kicker in this part of the case was the involvement of Roscoe Bartlett who supplied caller with Social Security documents (medical) for caller about daughter that she could not herself obtain. SSA eventually sent letter to Bartlett saying the payee issue was fraud since caller did not even know where daughter was and so Dr. Zaidi that declared her incompetent to manage her affairs could not have examined her at his office in Frederick as he stated on the form.

That, my friend, is why this matters. The two children had been told for so long that their mother threatened to kill them that a local doc named Weaver concluded they were suffering PTSD and feared their mother though no record of the threat exists and the hospital records show that daughter had no access to a phone during the time alleged. The kids are still there. Same PTSD supplying the caller and unemployed husband with child support payments and disability. What will those children do when they are of no use to the caller when they turn 18?
bob

Frederick, MD

#9 Jan 17, 2013
This is what police deal with everyday. It's nothing new.
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#10 Jan 18, 2013
bob wrote:
This is what police deal with everyday. It's nothing new.
Maybe so bob. Maybe not. One thing is certain. Lorraine Thomas is mad about the exposure. Filed everything from an application for restraining order to a Domestic Violence complaint trying to shut this discussion down on the day after it was posted on 1-14. Judge Roberts dismissed.

So a better question is why the caller would be so upset at the recounting of her deeds that she would be filing every possible paper trying to conceal this. After all, like you said, she was merely confused. Right bob?
bob

Frederick, MD

#11 Jan 18, 2013
Being in New Mexico, why are you concerned about something that occurred 14 years ago 2500 miles away?
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#12 Jan 19, 2013
bob wrote:
Being in New Mexico, why are you concerned about something that occurred 14 years ago 2500 miles away?
Probably for the same reason the caller filed 3 cases last week to silence the story - because it is part of a continuing course of conduct. The caller has since embezzled no less than 4 more relatives into poverty since using the same doctor and techniques. It is still going on bob. Yet another relative is currently prisoner in the house the result of more papers signed by Dr. Zaidi. Now that the suits have been filed this is a far more recent matter than 1999. It is current as of Jan. 14, 2013.

30 years of abuse of elders and other vulnerable persons is a real story. The fact that the system was too incompetent to catch it is a far more compelling story.
bob

Frederick, MD

#13 Jan 19, 2013
There's no story here. Clearly you area relative or someone close to gthe story. But trying to make a story out of an ordinary everyday nutcase is pointless.
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#15 Feb 1, 2013
bob wrote:
There's no story here. Clearly you area relative or someone close to gthe story. But trying to make a story out of an ordinary everyday nutcase is pointless.
Actually the story takes a new twist. A letter written by local attorney Keith N. Schiszik during all of this adds a little more credibility to the crooked angle of this - http://tinyurl.com/bg329hh

So brainwashed are the children today that when faced with the documents from which the lawyer drew his conclusions the reply was:

"I can't believe you would think I would betray everything I believe just because you tell some lies you claim as fact"

The general literacy displayed by the young man suggests that he has never attended school.

Not a nutcase, but a serial abuser.
tim

Frederick, MD

#16 Feb 7, 2013
no one cares, move on from 1999.
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#17 Feb 7, 2013
bob wrote:
There's no story here. Clearly you area relative or someone close to gthe story. But trying to make a story out of an ordinary everyday nutcase is pointless.
I just cannot agree with you bob. I would like your opinion of how one is a nutcase because they lie. I forgot to post this set of links earlier. Here is a link to the petition where Mr. Thomas was accused of embezzling nearly a half a million dollars from his mother while she is tied to a bed and isolated from the rest of her family - http://tinyurl.com/by3ptw6 . Here is the settlement agreement that removed Mr. Thomas as trustee and requires him to return the embezzled assets - http://tinyurl.com/abr6g7u . This is a letter from Ivy's doctor to the attorney handling the matter regarding how Mr. Thomas' mother handled the situation and what she said about it - http://tinyurl.com/a4fzryx .

Please show me the insanity in this? It seems rather calculating when you consider the deliberative manner in which the embezzlement was conducted. Are you still sticking with the nutcase opinion?
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#18 Feb 7, 2013
tim wrote:
no one cares, move on from 1999.
How can that be done? The children in question are still victims and no statute of limitations has run out. For 14 years the Thomas family has been able to provide a rather comfortable living for themselves on the child support and SSI payments to this very day. It just came back to the surface after it was determined that the Thomas' never sent the children to school keeping them instead locked inside the house. The filing of a document in the court by the first child, now 18, indicates that he does not have the literacy expected of a 5th grade student. That remains a serious problem today and, in the case of the other child, remains an ongoing matter.
tim

Frederick, MD

#19 Feb 7, 2013
I'm starting to think you are the one with mental issues.
Bob

Frederick, MD

#21 Feb 7, 2013
I'm going to have to agree with Tim. Seems like a few screws lose on this guy. Keep beatig that pointles.s dead horse
Informed

Carrizozo, NM

#22 Feb 7, 2013
Bob wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with Tim. Seems like a few screws lose on this guy. Keep beatig that pointles.s dead horse
You know bob that is how I got into presenting these cases. After 4 years everyone just assumed that a particular judge's wife was going to get off for embezzlement from the governmental treasury where she worked. One letter to the editor and 60 days later she pleads guilty. I thought it was a fluke.

When the next outrage at the courthouse happened I started a blog and wrote about it even though my friend, the DA in this news video, told me I was wrong. I stayed with it in the face of uninformed criticizm similar to yours. This news report really shows the power of the pen - er, keyboard. http://youtu.be/9bHL7haYW9o

After 9 years an over 900 stories with similar impacts I have a good reputation for being right. Since the statute of limitations on a crime or tort against a child is until said child turns 21 in MD this is far from a dead horse. The fact that the crimes are so well documented makes this much easier than say USA v. Jade Hicks where it was necessary to prove "eyewitnesses" were lying based on the position of a wine glass and a facial bruise. After the story a new trial was granted sua sponte and all judges in the US 10th Circuit recused with the trial presided by a judge from Illinois 3 circuits away. All I really have to do here is reach a few citizens capable of outrage regarding elder abuse and child abuse being allowed to run unabated to achieve my goal.

The therapist says in her letter to the court the cause of the crippling mental injury sustained by the child occurred when he "inadvertently" found out that his mother was out of the hospital "in early September, 1999" implying that he had some reason to fear his mother this bad. The 911 tape from September 3, 1999 shows a little better why the boy suffered such a tremendous mental injury (PTSD - heavily medicated) "in early September" and that it was the actions of the grandmother that caused the mental injury that has left the boy a mental 10 year old probably for life. That was not helped by grandparents never sending him to school.

So bob, while I respect your opinion, I know you are wrong. Not everyone in Frederick is as supportive of child abusers as you appear. I know. I lived there once.

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