Notre Dame football coach to visit Ha...

Notre Dame football coach to visit Hanover area

There are 33 comments on the Evening Sun story from Apr 21, 2011, titled Notre Dame football coach to visit Hanover area. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

The Notre Dame Club of Gettysburg will have a message for Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly when he appears next month at the Cross Keys Diner in Cross Keys.

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Givemeabreak

Lancaster, PA

#21 May 1, 2011
So, if I was your supervisor, and I told you to go up on a high-lift in very high winds, and then the lift collapses, I wouldn't be responsible for your death? Can you help me understand then, who would be responsible?

And yes, the "thread" was about Mr. Sullivan - check the first posting. The "article" was not about Mr. Sullivan. I'm not a hater, I just would like the coach to accept his responsibility. He could, at least, admit to having very poor judgement on that day. The man has yet to assume even a hint of responsibility. And this is exactly what is wrong with this world, nobody wants to accept responsibility for anything. The man has zero character.

And, in time, you will see more information coming out about this tragedy. So, go ahead and keep denying the facts, root for your team and your coach and pretend his is a great human being because he will win some games. You also, have no character.
Giveyourself a break

Easton, PA

#22 May 2, 2011
It was determined Brian Kelly wasn't his supervisor. And by your logic, where does the chain of command end? Jack Swarbrick is Brian Kelly's boss. Fr. John Jenkins is Jack Swarbrick's boss. Should they be directly blamed as well?
Brian Kelly never told Declan Sullivan to go up on the lift. He went up there like he always did. He never protested. If you read OSHAs release, the coaches were actually in route to the videographers to tell them to come down. Maybe you should read the report before you condemn someone.
It was a tragedy, and a collective ball was dropped. No one was directly responsible for Declan Sullivan... it was a team of people. Get that through your head if you can.
Brian Kelly no character, huh? Maybe you should ask the ladies who have breast cancer whom he just raised money for that question. The problem is you see things too black and white and apparently have no sense of objectivity on this issue.
OK... get a grip. The reports are out. OSHA released their study, the independent investigation was released. Despite what you wish, no secret piece of infomation is going to come out. I'd like to know where you get that from. Let me answer - your own mind.
And tell me who your team and coach are, and I'll point out all their imperfections. Because whether it's Joe Paterno, Jim Tressel, Rich Rodriguez, etc., there is a lot of bad mixed in with a lot of good. No team or coach is perfect, but none are entirely evil like you seem to think Brian Kelly is.
Well, at least you admitted to having no character!
Givemeabreak

Bedford, PA

#23 May 9, 2011
Where did you get your facts from? Nowhere in the OSHA report does it say that the coaches were in route to tell the videographers to come down. In fact, the report DOES say that Sullivan "voiced his objections about filming outside to a staffer" but was told to go up. Notre Dame was cited for 6 violations including "knowingly exposing its employees to unsafe conditions" and fined $77,500. Notre Dame themselves released a lovely 145 page report in with Father Jenkins concluded, "after a thorough and painstaking study...we have reached the conclusion that no one acted in disregard for safety...The university, tehn is collectivly reponsible". Thanks Father, lovely rabbit-hole logic for the tragedy. The newspaper headlines for that morning were, "Batten Down" with the first article saying, "Wild Weather". The South Bend Tribune warned, "Winds gusting past 45 mph". All anybody had to do was say, its too windy to send the kids up there today. But, head coach Brian Kelly, the athletic director, Father Jenkins, administrators, underlings - nobody ever said a thing. I applaud Coach Kelly on his charity work, I think it's great. But, it takes character to admit that you made a mistake and could have helped a young man live. And Brian Kelly will offer no such concession. As a head coach, in charge of everything on that field, he ultimately must take responsibility.
Giveyourself a break

Easton, PA

#24 May 9, 2011
So I take it you read the whole 144 page report? Right... Anyhow, your facts are so off it's clear you didn't read it, or even substantive parts of it 1) An excerpt explicitly stated some coaches were en route to get all 3 (I believe it was) cameramen off of their posts/lifts. 2) You ought to be ashamed of yourself of saying that Sullivan voiced his objections about filming outside to a staffer and that they forced him up there. Read: NOT TRUE. He tweeted when he was up in the lift w/out letting anyone down below know. The only thing he said before going up was "this sucks," but he never objected to going up and no one forced him. If you want to talk about character, you ought to retract that false statement of yours. Somehow, I doubt you will. 3) Why don't you say who reached that conclusion in the 145-page report??? The investigation was independent, led by Dr. Peter Likens, who has or had no ties to Notre Dame whatsoever. You make it sound like the university reached that conclusion all by themselves. So perhaps you should take to task the logic of the independent investigators who were behind the report. 4) The university, all its officals, the athletic department, the football staff, etc. took collective responsibility. What more do you want? Do you think Brian Kelly wanted Declan Sullivan dead? Don't you wish he could turn back time? Why do you want Brian Kelly to take direct responsibilty for a tragedy that he wasn't directly nor solely responsible for? 5) What I don't understand and don't get at all is why haters like yourself are looking for more from Brian Kelly and Notre Dame than the Sullivans are themselves. Repeated reports have stated that the Sullivan family are pleased with how Notre Dame has handled everything after their son's death, and that they were pleased with the investigation. If you don't believe me, google it and read. If things are good enough for them, why aren't they good enough for you? Perhaps you should look inward at yourself and try to figure that out.
Givemeabreak

Bedford, PA

#25 May 10, 2011
I really don't know where you get your info. I stated exactly from the "independent investigation" (yeah right) what exactly Father Jenkins concluded in the report. I really have no idea where you are getting your information, who Dr. Likens is, or how you know what Sullivan was tweeting before he left. It's not in any report that I can find. What I stated was simply the facts that I found during my reading on the subject, facts from teh "independent investigation" and from the OSHA report. Not sure why you are getting so upset. I know that Brian Kelly didn't want the kid to die, duh. But, if he had any character he could at least admit (and this would be the truth) that he is responsible for everything that goes on at that field and was ultimately responsible for Sullivan. That's all. Perhaps you have too many footballs up your ass and are afraid that this might cost you a couple of wins. I dont' know, but perhaps you need to get a life. And, while Sullivan's family have voice some nice comments regarding the "handling" of the investigation, their soon to be filed $50 million lawsuit will speak volumes otherwise. Stay stupid, my friend!
Givemeabreak is wrong

Middletown, CT

#26 May 10, 2011
Picking up for Giveyourself a break, it appears Givemeabreak is talking out of his you-know-what. First, he apparently has silly conspiratorial stories about the independent investigation being independent. It was an independent investigation whether you like to believe it or not. Dr. Peter Likens is the person who lead the independent investigation, shows how little you know about it. It was also common news at the time and reported in the independent investigation and OSHA report that Sullivan was tweeting while he was up there, and was told to go up there despite objections. That's probably why Giveyourself a break is so angry. You're clearly making facts up (or you have to learn how to read), and they are pretty serious accusations. You want Kelly to apologize but you won't yourself, even when you are clearly wrong. So Brian Kelly is responsible for everything that goes on on that field, huh? What if a fight broke out between two players while Kelly was on the other side and someone's arm was broken? I take it Kelly would be directly responsible for that too in your mind. LMAO. You're telling Giveyourself a break to get a life and that he's stupid, that is funny. Maybe you ought to look in the mirror. By my account there are 3 or 4 people who have cogently written against you, you are the only one who obsessively keeps bringing up untruths (and you really should be ashamed of yourself for that). If we're stupid, it's unfathomable how much lower than stupid you are. And from the sound of you, we're not the ones with things up our asses, LOL.
Givemeabreak is wrong

Middletown, CT

#27 May 10, 2011
should say he was NEVER forced to go up there. That is an untruth for which Givemeabreak should apologize. It's indicting someone for something that is simply not true. He seems to self-proud though.
Givemeabreak

Bedford, PA

#28 May 11, 2011
Stay stupid my friend, stay stupid!
AS I Said

Middletown, CT

#29 May 11, 2011
We may be stupid but I would absolutely hate to know what that makes you! Nice substantive response by the way, can't swallow your pride when you were WRONG, huh?
Givemeabreak

Bedford, PA

#30 May 12, 2011
Bwahahaha - you just admitted to being stupid!

Guess I'm done with this thread - I proved my point that a Notre Dame fan can never admit when somebody has just not done the right thing.

Stay stupid (and blind to the world), my friend!
Haha

Lansdale, PA

#31 May 12, 2011
Givemeabreak is stupid! AS I SAID didn't admit to being stupid, he or she said they "may" be stupid. But then went on to say that's quite a bit intellecutally up the food chain from Givemeabreak. I think everybody agrees.

Then he says ALL ND fans can't admit when somebody just has not done the right thing. Well, in his feeble mind he has. Haha!

And he still didn't admit when he was wrong about the facts of the case. Surprise, surprise. He's calling for someone else to admit they're wrong and he can't do it either. Jesus said something about that.

And you're not my friend!
Givemeabreak

Saxton, PA

#32 May 17, 2011
Care to elaborate exactly which of my facts are wrong?
For Givemeabreak

United States

#33 May 17, 2011
I read through the threads and they have been pointed out many times. Apparently you can't read. Or stop commenting! Haha. We await your next response, and then the next, and then the next, and then the next, ad nauseum.

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