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More than 1,000 people will lose their jobs when International Paper shuts down in Franklin.

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old union member

Jacksonville, FL

#21 Feb 22, 2010
I have had quite an experience with unions and was in the union for over 5 years. After dealing with unions for an additional 18 years as an executive, the entire ordeal has certainly not been pleasant. Let me share my experience.

The only word that comes to my mind when "union" comes up is "handicap" with regard to companies. Yes, unions made great accomplishments in earlier days, but I believe most companies will want to eliminate unions via the future. Unions in the US are pricing themselves out of the market, becoming a political headache (to companies), are certainly not multi-tasking (which companies are requiring more of), and from what I have seen, are less productive. I work in a plant with both union workers and non-union contractors. When working with the union plant workers, they complain about almost everything, use excuses extensively, indulge in a ďred tapeĒ type philosophy, are very course to deal with (are harsh if they donít get their way), love to indulge in unionized politics, and are certainly far from productive. The non-union contractors don't complain, work closely with you to obtain a common goal, are not forceful in having their own way, are appreciative to have a job, are very respectable, are very productive and easy to deal with, and do not want any politics. I have a great relationship with the non-union workers and an unpredictable relationship with the unions workers. I know what you are thinking and the word is trust. There is no trust between companies and unions. I have seen this trend over my entire 18 year professional experience with 3 different companies. I am not saying there are no hard working union workers that do not do quality work. I know union people are skilled. I am saying that the engines that drive unions today seem to create more problems than they solve.

Please spare me the ordeal on Wal-Mart. I really get sick of people crying about Wal-Mart and their unfair practices. If you donít like Wal-Mart GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE! Most people do not go elsewhere because they finally figure out there is nothing better out there. Like K-Mart, Target, or other stores, what kind of a living do you expect to make working in places like Wal-Mart? Instead of complaining, get an education, learn a skill, or do something more productive than complaining.
Interested Observer

Newport News, VA

#22 Feb 22, 2010
You certainly hit several nails right square on the head there, Old Union Member! At least there's one other person in this world with whom I can agree.
larry in alabama

United States

#23 Feb 22, 2010
Prey tell, let me give you the shirt off my back for the short course is psychology about life. Now, about Union and mindset. Are they lazy
Republicans or incompetent Democrats? Please don't tell me Denial is a river in Egypt......
Interested Observer

Newport News, VA

#24 Feb 22, 2010
Oh but it is! It's also rampant in our present government!
Jim

Portsmouth, VA

#25 Feb 24, 2010
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can't, thank a teacher's union.

I still can't understand how anything but a right-to-work-state can be constitutional.

Unions served their good purposes long before any of us were born. Now their only purpose is to get the most number of people doing the least amount of work for the most money.

The problem with our economy now is too many people producing too little (if anything) for too much money.
Jim

Portsmouth, VA

#26 Feb 24, 2010
As for the talk of unionizing Wat-Mart, that worked really well in Canada. Three months after they unionized, they closed the store. I hope they are enjoying carrying the union card to the unemployment line.
FYI

Newport News, VA

#27 Feb 24, 2010
Unions are the modern dodo. They're on the endangered species list
Dick Patt the Diplomat

Norfolk, VA

#29 May 13, 2010
old union member wrote:
I have had quite an experience with unions and was in the union for over 5 years. After dealing with unions for an additional 18 years as an executive, the entire ordeal has certainly not been pleasant. Let me share my experience.
The only word that comes to my mind when "union" comes up is "handicap" with regard to companies. Yes, unions made great accomplishments in earlier days, but I believe most companies will want to eliminate unions via the future. Unions in the US are pricing themselves out of the market, becoming a political headache (to companies), are certainly not multi-tasking (which companies are requiring more of), and from what I have seen, are less productive. I work in a plant with both union workers and non-union contractors. When working with the union plant workers, they complain about almost everything, use excuses extensively, indulge in a ďred tapeĒ type philosophy, are very course to deal with (are harsh if they donít get their way), love to indulge in unionized politics, and are certainly far from productive. The non-union contractors don't complain, work closely with you to obtain a common goal, are not forceful in having their own way, are appreciative to have a job, are very respectable, are very productive and easy to deal with, and do not want any politics. I have a great relationship with the non-union workers and an unpredictable relationship with the unions workers. I know what you are thinking and the word is trust. There is no trust between companies and unions. I have seen this trend over my entire 18 year professional experience with 3 different companies. I am not saying there are no hard working union workers that do not do quality work. I know union people are skilled. I am saying that the engines that drive unions today seem to create more problems than they solve.
Please spare me the ordeal on Wal-Mart. I really get sick of people crying about Wal-Mart and their unfair practices. If you donít like Wal-Mart GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE! Most people do not go elsewhere because they finally figure out there is nothing better out there. Like K-Mart, Target, or other stores, what kind of a living do you expect to make working in places like Wal-Mart? Instead of complaining, get an education, learn a skill, or do something more productive than complaining.
Unions may not be perfect but they are part of what makes America great!! It looks to me like you miss the days when slavery was still legal in this country and have never been a union member!!!
Quinton

Windsor, VA

#30 May 21, 2010
Ask the Franklin IP Union members where all their Local Union checking and savings money went ,The Steel workers got it ,all of those years money they saved locally went to the international union ,so how are they different than IP ?

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