Franklin residents capitalize on sola...

Franklin residents capitalize on solar-energy incentives

There are 53 comments on the The Jersey Journal story from Jan 23, 2011, titled Franklin residents capitalize on solar-energy incentives. In it, The Jersey Journal reports that:

Stephen Levine, 73, believes a nearly $54,000 swath of solar panels on the roof of his home in Franklin Township allows him to go green in more than one way: It conserves energy while giving him about $8,100 more each year.

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Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#1 Jan 23, 2011
""For Gulati, 70, the 7,365-watt array on his roof is a $50,000 investment for the future.

“This will be for our children,” he said.“The resale value of our house will be much better.”"

Like many home upgrades, new kitchens, room additions, addition of a swimming pool, spa all these are legacy additions to the home. Most of the home additions are not held to the ROI standard solar PV is held. You put them in, you enjoy them and you sell them or pass them along to family to enjoy. There is an institutionalized paradigm where solar PV is concerned. It's guys like Gulati that are leading society away from the paradigms of the past.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#2 Jan 23, 2011
More Solar welfare, they have 100 full sun days and 156 cloudy. It's not Palm Desert you know. I'd rather they take the money they are borrowing from China and wasting in NJ and give it to someone where it would make a difference.
Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#3 Jan 23, 2011
LMAO wrote:
More Solar welfare, they have 100 full sun days and 156 cloudy. It's not Palm Desert you know. I'd rather they take the money they are borrowing from China and wasting in NJ and give it to someone where it would make a difference.
You'd rather, You'd rather, BS, all you've done is run your mouth, do nothing and change nothing. At least Gulati and Levine have done something. They got an opportunity to get some of their hard earned tax money back from the government, put solar PV on their homes. IF you knew what YOU claim you know about solar, then you would also know solar PV makes energy on cloudy days. Once again you've proven you can't add, subtract or divide. 100 + 156 = 256 what happened to the other 109 days of the year?
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#4 Jan 23, 2011
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>You'd rather, You'd rather, BS, all you've done is run your mouth, do nothing and change nothing. At least Gulati and Levine have done something. They got an opportunity to get some of their hard earned tax money back from the government, put solar PV on their homes. IF you knew what YOU claim you know about solar, then you would also know solar PV makes energy on cloudy days. Once again you've proven you can't add, subtract or divide. 100 + 156 = 256 what happened to the other 109 days of the year?
Partly Cloudy you Dumbass, look it up instead of talking crap.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#5 Jan 24, 2011
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>You'd rather, You'd rather, BS, all you've done is run your mouth, do nothing and change nothing. At least Gulati and Levine have done something. They got an opportunity to get some of their hard earned tax money back from the government, put solar PV on their homes. IF you knew what YOU claim you know about solar, then you would also know solar PV makes energy on cloudy days. Once again you've proven you can't add, subtract or divide. 100 + 156 = 256 what happened to the other 109 days of the year?
Here Desert Dweller, since you claim to know everything about Solar Energy maybe you should read about the effects of weather on output.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6065315_effects-weat...
takeitback

Afton, OK

#6 Jan 24, 2011
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text> Partly Cloudy you Dumbass, look it up instead of talking crap.
Partly cloudy days make power too !! I guess they don't count.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#7 Jan 24, 2011
takeitback wrote:
<quoted text>Partly cloudy days make power too !! I guess they don't count.
They count, they just don't count as much. Any day less than full sun day make's power, just not as much. When sizing a system ot de-rating one one on true lifetime it has to be figured in. A solar array will give a small output from Moonlight or a neighbors porch light.

Here is a Solar Array I have watched for a while. You can get a idea of what it does on a day to day basis. After 6 years it has NEVER met it's expected performance. If you don't like this one google your own. This one is close to me, so I can use it.

http://view2.fatspaniel.net/PV2Web/merge...

http://www.buckeyepower.com/solar-power-resea...
Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#8 Jan 24, 2011
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text>Here Desert Dweller, since you claim to know everything about Solar Energy maybe you should read about the effects of weather on output.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6065315_effects-weat...
The difference Jerkov, is I know what solar PV can do, on bright sunny days as well as cloudy days. You don't. You can't even cout to 365, 366 in a leap year. You have to rely on shiney web sites that you think supports your vacuous claims. Your whizzing in the wind Junior, how's it taste?
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#9 Jan 24, 2011
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>The difference Jerkov, is I know what solar PV can do, on bright sunny days as well as cloudy days. You don't. You can't even cout to 365, 366 in a leap year. You have to rely on shiney web sites that you think supports your vacuous claims. Your whizzing in the wind Junior, how's it taste?
Wipe your lip, there is Jizz dripping off it.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#10 Jan 24, 2011
You posters get on here and talk , but never post anything that means anything.

This is from a Solar Forum, this is real life. The charts will not post, but you can go find them. This is a 8 KW system.

"Learned a lot during this first full month of production.

First, climatic conditions substantially affect the output.

With many kinds of days in March, it's now obvious how much weather affects output, and not just temperature or clouds. Humidity (low is better) and wind (high is better) were clearly observable to make a difference. Throw in day of the year (distance to the sun and insolation), and my conclusion is that it's difficult to precisely assess the performance of a PV system's kWh harvest. I.e., no sense getting carried away with extensive instrumentation.

That said, here's some summary numbers for the month (March):

PVWatts Ver 2 Insolation estimate = 5.49 kWh/m2/day (accounts for historical weather pattern)

Nameplate PV system performance = 1379 kWh (ideal performance before derating for equipment, wiring and design performance, and panel temperature; panels assumed at 180° azimuth and default Long. pitch; no shade)

PVWatts Ver 2 Harvest estimate at 0.77 Default = 999 kWh (this is actually 72% of nameplate because PVWatts factors in panel temperature; panels assumed at 180° azimuth and defult Long. pitch, no shade)

Actual Harvest = 881 kWh (64% of Nameplate; 88% of PVWatts' 0.77 Default estimate)

Utility company's minimum performance expectation for a rebated system = 799 kWh (58% of Nameplate, 80% of PV Watt's 0.77 Default estimate)

The conclusion here, for March, that had a lot of sunny days, it that my PV system doesn't meet a

PVWatts' 0.77 Default estimate (due to my implementation of multiple panel orientations, and shade, all with just one inverter), but it did perform within the utility company's expectation for rerated systems.

Thinking further about SG's earlier suggestion for looking at performance on a monthly basis, I indeed changed my chart. It now resets to zero at the beginning of each month, and will have different reference line slopes as a function of month. Below you can see March's 881 kWh harvest, and how it positioned relative to PVWatts' 0.77 Default and the utility company's 80% expectation.

I learn a lot here every day, and I again say many thanks to everyone's contributions of knowledge."
LiL Bit More

United States

#11 Jan 24, 2011
When you own you system, then you can tell me how it works.....not until.
Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#12 Jan 24, 2011
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text>Wipe your lip, there is Jizz dripping off it.
Well jizzmeister, still slippin' around on yours. You have done nothing, so you can claim nothing. Isn't it time to get out of mommy's basement so she can launder up some clean underwear for you? You've been crapping all over your own comments here and other posts. You change numbers at will in your flailing attempt at math, you can't count the number of days in a year. In solar PV the number of days does count although you seem to think that they don't. All solar PV systems depend on the number of sun hours a day, that has been documented by the DOE for a couple of decades now. So when you design a PV system for someone in Phoenix Arizona, you will find if the calculated average daily usage is 36KWh, then you would need about 32 panels. For the same average daily output in Pennsylvania, it would take about 42 panels. In Fairbanks Alaska, somewhere around 120 panels. Before you can "attempt" to calculate ROI on solar, you have to know how much you need on average, what the specifications of the modules that are to be used, some have positive rated specs. IE) 200 watts +10%-0% some panels are + or - 5% so you may get a 210 watt panel or a 190 watt panel. Some panels have different temperature coefficients for temperature loss or gain. There are several panel manufacturers who have very stable temperature specs. Sanyo is one such panel manufacturer. Kyocera, Schott, Sun Power and many others.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#14 Jan 25, 2011
Here is The big story.

"Solarman" Wrote:

My home system was more expensive than many by about 10K. I do not have a south facing roof, my ridge runs north and south so the roof has east and west facing slopes. I found some calculations on the internet for solar insolence for solar gain calculations used on large buildings with a lot of glass. I figured out I needed about 8.9 Kw peak half on the east side of the roof and half on the west side of the roof to get the equivalent of a 6.8 KW peak system facing south. It has worked out fine. My electric bill was average 2400.00 a year, with cost increases it would be about 2600.00 a year. IF energy prices don't increase more than they are today per KWh, I will pay the system off in 14 years. The utility has already stated they will be looking at rate increases again next year and possibly going to a tiered rate system in the near future. If this happens, even my system will pay for itself in another 10 years.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#15 Jan 25, 2011
Back to my Original statement.... Solar Welfare !! 10 homeowners and a Solar Promoter figure out a way to rip off $300,000 from the Taxpayers and everyone that uses Electric from that Utility Company in rate hikes.

These systems were designed for the roof space and the cash they could generate. This all about money, not the need for solar or alternative energy.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#16 Jan 25, 2011
LiL Bit More wrote:
When you own you system, then you can tell me how it works.....not until.
You don't have clue to what someone owns, azzwipe.
Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#17 Jan 25, 2011
LMAO wrote:
Back to my Original statement.... Solar Welfare !! 10 homeowners and a Solar Promoter figure out a way to rip off $300,000 from the Taxpayers and everyone that uses Electric from that Utility Company in rate hikes.
These systems were designed for the roof space and the cash they could generate. This all about money, not the need for solar or alternative energy.
I'm a taxpayer, Moron. I put solar PV on my roof and got some of it back in rebates. Whiners like you are always pontificating on increased energy rates and power company CEO paychecks. YOUR tax money is still in the Governments hands, smart move! You point at others and CRY foul, and still do NOTHING. Yeah, BIIIGGGG story indeed.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#18 Jan 25, 2011
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a taxpayer, Moron. I put solar PV on my roof and got some of it back in rebates. Whiners like you are always pontificating on increased energy rates and power company CEO paychecks. YOUR tax money is still in the Governments hands, smart move! You point at others and CRY foul, and still do NOTHING. Yeah, BIIIGGGG story indeed.
Yap, Yap, Yap, My disagreement with you is the way you promote the payback to people. You live in the middle of the desert ( 300+ sun days ), you start pointing about you 10-15 year payback of your system. My point is your payback 10-15 years for the same system in a different part of the country could be 30-40 years to payback. You have always taken issue the facts. I don't find you to be a Solarman, just another Bullshitter on Topix.
What

Seale, AL

#19 Jan 25, 2011
LMAO wrote:
Back to my Original statement.... Solar Welfare !! 10 homeowners and a Solar Promoter figure out a way to rip off $300,000 from the Taxpayers and everyone that uses Electric from that Utility Company in rate hikes.
These systems were designed for the roof space and the cash they could generate. This all about money, not the need for solar or alternative energy.
He's the type that would rather give his tax money to an oil company or politician .
Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#20 Jan 25, 2011
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text> Yap, Yap, Yap, My disagreement with you is the way you promote the payback to people. You live in the middle of the desert ( 300+ sun days ), you start pointing about you 10-15 year payback of your system. My point is your payback 10-15 years for the same system in a different part of the country could be 30-40 years to payback. You have always taken issue the facts. I don't find you to be a Solarman, just another Bullshitter on Topix.
No, Jerkov, YOU'RE the one with the problem. You pundit nothing else but to attack those of us who have taken the time to put in a system to lessen or eliminate our electric bills. www.dsireusa.org has many programs available, under the energy efficiency umbrella that one can take advantage of. Wisconson is a good example of a State that one should probably spend money on extra insulation, high efficiency heating and cooling units, even geothermal heating/cooling. I have posted this site before, you refuse or are incapable of reading and comprehending its context. YOUR BAD! The only BS here is yours, top to bottom, through and through. 30-40 years for a payback, using your math that's probably true. But you have proven time and again, you have problems with focus, addition and facts like 259 days in a year, LMAO. Troll on, people are starting to LAYDA.
LMAO

Irvington, KY

#21 Jan 25, 2011
Solar man wrote:
<quoted text>No, Jerk, YOU'RE the one with the problem. You pundit nothing else but to attack those of us who have taken the time to put in a system to lessen or eliminate our electric bills. www.dsireusa.org has many programs available, under the energy efficiency umbrella that one can take advantage of. Wisconsin is a good example of a State that one should probably spend money on extra insulation, high efficiency heating and cooling units, even geothermal heating/cooling. I have posted this site before, you refuse or are incapable of reading and comprehending its context. YOUR BAD! The only BS here is yours, top to bottom, through and through. 30-40 years for a payback, using your math that's probably true. But you have pr oven time and again, you have problems with focus, addition and facts like 259 days in a year, LMAO. Troll on, people are starting to LYDA.
Your like a drug addict trying to drum up some more to get on the drug trail with you cause you can't stand being alone. Solar Power at the cost it is now is a joke and a drain on the taxpayers. It hurts the other power users by giving rebates for Alternative Energy to perpetuate their scam.

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