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Hello Walmart Supercenter; hello vacant Walmart shell

There are 85 comments on the Smoky Mountain News story from Oct 26, 2011, titled Hello Walmart Supercenter; hello vacant Walmart shell. In it, Smoky Mountain News reports that:

When Walmart of Franklin moves from U.S. 441 to its new location next spring, at least two - perhaps three - of the other businesses in Holly Springs Plaza will move right along with the retail giant.

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George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#1 Oct 27, 2011
LOL! So who would be sorry to see the demise of that old shopping center?

This is free enterprise at work, isn't it? Isn't that what all our local Tea Party Republican leaders wants?

Oh, wait, they just want free enterprise for themselves, not for Wal Mart and the rest of us.
Smarter than a 5th Grader

Solon, ME

#2 Oct 29, 2011
This economy is bad
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#3 Oct 29, 2011
The economy is only bad for about 10 percent of the population. The roads are full of traffic, with lots and lots of new cars. Pigeon Forge is wall to wall with shoppers, has been all year. Asheville is so crowded it took me 10 min to get from the tunnel to the Mall today, bumper to bumper on both sides of town. Sam's club was full and so were all the buggys! Stopped at the VW/Porche'/Audi Dealer, they were closing on 3 cars while I was there, one was a Porche' 911 Carrera that sold for $120,000. Same at the Honda dealer! Lots of folks have lots of money to spend, they're just not the poor folks who didn't have money to invest!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#4 Oct 30, 2011
Smarter than a 5th Grader wrote:
This economy is bad
Then why is the economy so much worse in Macon than in surrounding counties?
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#5 Oct 30, 2011
Didn't know the economy was "so much worse in Macon than in surrounding counties"? Seems like restaurants are busy, traffic is really heavy, a lot of locals have new cars,Wal Mart, Bi-Lo, Ingles are busy, Fun Factory and SMCPA is packed, all activities/festivals are crowded, only thing that is down is Real Estate and construction businesses! When you depend on one thing, and it turns bad, well! Oh, Drake Enterprises seems to be flourishing too!

Looks like the housing/construction businesses are going to have it worse over the next 2-3 years, so it goes when you "appraise" the values through the roof and speculate, WOW! All those "Developements" being foreclosed on, is that going to cause bank failures/buyouts?
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#6 Oct 30, 2011
How many new businesses have opened in Franklin in the last 6 months? They're in the paper ever edition!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#7 Oct 30, 2011
Barney Feife wrote:
How many new businesses have opened in Franklin in the last 6 months? They're in the paper ever edition!
How many businesses have CLOSED? The local papers never tell you that, and the Chamber of Commerce won't tell you either.
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#8 Nov 1, 2011
Well, Barney, Drake Enterprises is flourishing, especially for those evangelical ones who get benefits, but most of those 500+ employees are temps, part-timers, etc. who do not, and they are not representative of the citizenry of this county.

So how about the other 34,500 residents of the county ..... most of whom are struggling to buy food and pay Duke's big increase, those who cannot afford to go Drakes's Fun Factory or his Smoky Mountain Center for the Performance Arts, or go like you did over to Asheville's Porche/Audi Dealer and be impressed by people buying $120,000 Carreras?

The long list of home foreclosures in the Macon County newspapers every week are REAL HOMEOWNERS losing their homes, not real estate flippers from the Wildflowers and Diamond and Ridges developments.

And the FOR SALE signs on houses all over the county are not a result of real estate or construction problems. They are from people who are UNEMPLOYED AND STRUGGLING!
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#9 Nov 2, 2011
Well, there are a lot of relatives of Phil that are employed by Drake Enterprises and they get better pay and protection. Most of the people of Macon county are not struggling to buy food, check out Bi-Lo's, Ingles and Wal Mart, the food flies off the shelves and they are always busy, morning, noon and night! Duke hasn't gotten the "big increase". The "Fun Factory" isn't suffering from lack of customers, my grandkids go often and it is always moderately filled. The Pizza place has lots of customers, even though the food sucks, same with that Buffet thing, YUK, don't know why those guys call themselves "Chefs" or where they got their training but I don't think they taste the food!

The "foreclosures" I see are mostly on flatlanders who moved here and probably paid the exorbitant prices of the Balloon years, some realtors still think they should be getting those prices. Went to Holland's "Open House" on the Conley property on Harrison Ave. They want $200,00 for a gutted shell, a really old shell on a shortened lot that has to have a right of way to turn into the garage. I wouldn't pay them $50K for that thing, it would cost $200,000 to make it liveable! As to the Developements, "TOUGH", they were stupidly built and way over priced and if people bought the lots, "sight unseen", well, you buy a pig in a poke and you deserve what you get! Speculators do not get any sympathy. While there are unemployed, it is no worse here than in other places and there are jobs advertised and not filled, look in the Press!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#10 Nov 2, 2011
Barney, you seem to live in Macon County and know something about the superficial aspects of it, but you sure are out of touch with the 25,000+ of us who are not Drake's relatives/employees, and are not flippers of mountaintop real estate, and are not retired, and do not have enough money to take our children and grandchildren to Drake's Fun Factory and Smoky Mountain Center for the Performing Arts as you so enjoy, not that we'd want to expose them to all your saccharine cultish gospel quartet music!

The majority of us out here are tending vegetable gardens (greens right now) and eating pasta at home rather than steaks at the Broiler Room, making pizza at home rather than eating at the unnamed Pizza place you mentioned (which one was it?), and we're thankful for the weather that is bringing in deer that we can "harvest" if you prefer the politically correct word, which we call “kill and eat and freeze” for winter, along with wild turkeys.

As for Bi-Lo and Ingles, look around when you're there next week. You'll see the overwhelming majority of shoppers are like yourself-----old people, retirees with accents from somewhere "away"-----"blu e hairs" the locals call them, which is a long story and if you don't get the joke you sure are not "from here."

So, I suggest next time you’re over at the Porche/Audi place in Asheville being impressed with those $120,000 Carreras, then buy one and keep on going. We really don’t need any more elitist residents here.

As for the new Super Wal-Mart, we welcome it because we hope we can get more reasonably priced food than at Bi-Lo and Ingles. I've noticed, by the way, that they are recently remodeling and getting ready to try to compete with the new Super Wal-Mart. Now if the Super Wal-Mart will sell some cheaper gas, that will help us too, since we've been ripped off for so long.
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#11 Nov 7, 2011
QUESTIONS THAT NEVER GET ANSWERED TRUTHFULLY IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPERS:

Is anyone viable looking at running for elective office? Or will the county go the way of the Town of Franklin...where no one will run?

Did the county's expensive animal control "kill shelter" take care of all the animal problems? Is that why the animal whiners finally shut up?

Does anyone know who owns the Holly Springs Shopping Center (where the "old" Wal Mart" is)?

Does anyone know how to find out how many local businesses CLOSED in 2011?

Does anyone know how many vacant retail spaces are now available (unrented) in the Franklin area?

How are the gem mines doing these days? Do the gem festivals help anyone other than motels and restaurant chains?

Whatever happened to Trevor Dalton? Who is in line now for that job? Did the Economic Development Commission ever name anything he accomplished other than "enthusiasm" and that it would good for them to have their own person's "feet on the ground every day"?

Where is Tim Hubbs going next after he leaves Angel Medical Center? Is he still on the board of Nantahala Bank?

What is the status of the motorcycle rally planning that the tourist development group paid public money for the website of a private person to organize it as a private business?

Is that new citizens group (MaconSense) making any progress? Are they viable in any way or just another group of whiners? If they want real change, why wouldn't they just get someone to run for county commissioner that would be amenable to their agenda?

How do you predict the steep-slope issues will be resolved, if at all?

Is the airport extension finished? Whose big plane is that parked at the end of the terminals?

How's that new airport "industrial park" doing? How's the old Cartoogechaye "industrial park" doing?

Are Gary Shields and his friends still pretending that he was a Green Beret or Navy Seal or whatever it was he was faking? Why exactly do the local newspapers keep on printing that falsehood? Are we that desperate for "heroes" in Macon County?
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#12 Nov 7, 2011
Last week the local paper stated that Shields served two tours in Vietnam, actually, he extended his one tour by 6 months to a total of 18 months. He then returned to Kings Mountain where his first wife taught and started college at Gardner-Webb. When and where was the alledged Special Forces/Green Beret training and service?

Trevor is reportedly going back to college to make himself more marketable, hmmmm, County Manager job in the future?

No changes in either industrial park and Dalton did nothing during his two years except a couple of briefings with his mentors! Guess he wasn't that "enthusiastic" afterall!

What? The airport has a "big" plane, ONE? Isn't it the one that has frequented the airport in the past, every now and then, about once a month, still only about 50 or less people actually use the $20 Million airport that the taxpayers have to maintain.

As to rental space, looks like about 40-50 or so are and have been available for over a year. The Palmer Street Shopping Center is still vacant but no wonder, they want $2,000 per month for the old B&D Space!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#13 Nov 7, 2011
Barney, you asked, " When and where was the alledged Special Forces/Green Beret training and service?" Answer: Both the Franklin Press and Macon News have reported it many times. Do your own research.

So, is Trevor Dalton in college now (this semester). The answer is "No".

The big plane I see at the Iotla airport when I pass by every day is the same one, not any more, so do you know who is the owner of it (that ONE)?

How much do you think of our taxes are going to support that one or more big planes by providing a private airport at PUBLIC TAXPAYER EXPENSE?

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR NUMBERS ABOUT THE "40-50 OR SO" of retail spaces that "HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR OVER A YEAR"? That is my question. It is not public information.

So, who owns THAT PALMER STREET shopping center and is charging $2,000 for the B&D space"----------which is the point! Do they really want to rent it or just let it sit there idle and help deflate the local economy?

Dig deeper Barney. You're learning! LOL!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#14 Nov 8, 2011
Barney, even though I am often cynical, and with good reason, I do appreciate the information you provided above. My point is just that it is so sad that we have to find out everything through word-of-mouth, since our local papers are so controlled by the big-fish-in-our-little-bowl-of -a-town.

For example, if the local newspapers were not afraid of the power structure, they would be reporting numbers for who and how many people actually use the airport, and they would be doing some investigative reporting about a lot of other things.

"The man, the myth, the legend" was a public relations ploy started back when Shields was principal at Franklin High. He allowed that Green Beret falsehood to continue rather than putting a stop to it, and his wife helped push the falsehood into the papers by actually writing "news copy" about him with that info in it, which the papers never questioned, so he could get onto the school board and the SCC board.

The papers also never question what the sheriff's department tells them. They even provide "puff pieces" for the papers about the sheriff and how he is cracking cases right and left, but you never hear anything about the incompetence, lack of protocol, etc. It was a miracle that the public even learned about Sam Greenwood's son and his gang burglarizing and burning houses.

The papers also protect the school superintendent since he is part of the "church" crowd and helped build the two schools that the power structure wanted but the citizens did not, including getting taxpayer-paid water run out to Iotla school and airport and industrial park.

The funniest thing the papers did print, though, probably because it was too good to pass up, was Franklin Alderman Sissy Pattillo telling about taking a phone call from the Mast General Store people while she was standing in the checkout line at Target in Atlanta. Now there's an iconic irony if there ever was one about our "leaders" talking one way and acting another!

Also, why the secretiveness by the town council and economic development commission about the Mast Store courtship--trying to get them to come to the old Jacob's People's store?

The courtship battle to keep out Wal-Mart and Target and Home Depot was sure MADE PUBLIC when our "leaders" thought the citizens would rally behind "local ownership" and "shop local"-- but of course that rallying did not happen. We citizens WANT those stores. We've been ripped off by the Jacobs and Bryants and Perrys and Swaffords and other local store owners through many generations. Good riddance to them! The sooner they all bite the dust the better off we will all be.
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#15 Nov 8, 2011
Can you believe this? Is it for real (the Jack Horton quote below)?

This is what Thunder Pig Bobby Coggins wrote on his blog last month---notes from the last Economic Development Commission meeting:

"The appointments of several members of the EDC board will be coming to an end and either need to be reappointed or new members found to serve on the board. Jack Horton told members that there were no longer term limits on serving on local boards per a recent decision of the Macon County Commissioners."

Sounds like that means no term limits on ANY board appointed by the county commissioners! Wow! The screws tighten on poor old Macon County!
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#16 Nov 8, 2011
George Cruise wrote:
Barney, you asked, " When and where was the alledged Special Forces/Green Beret training and service?" Answer: Both the Franklin Press and Macon News have reported it many times. Do your own research.
So, is Trevor Dalton in college now (this semester). The answer is "No".
The big plane I see at the Iotla airport when I pass by every day is the same one, not any more, so do you know who is the owner of it (that ONE)?
How much do you think of our taxes are going to support that one or more big planes by providing a private airport at PUBLIC TAXPAYER EXPENSE?
WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR NUMBERS ABOUT THE "40-50 OR SO" of retail spaces that "HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR OVER A YEAR"? That is my question. It is not public information.
So, who owns THAT PALMER STREET shopping center and is charging $2,000 for the B&D space"----------which is the point! Do they really want to rent it or just let it sit there idle and help deflate the local economy?
Dig deeper Barney. You're learning! LOL!
Wrong! They have never reported any SF Training/Service, just that he was a Green Beret and served in the SF. They had in the past shot that down by reporting his actual service with the 173rd Airborne Infantry Brigade in Vietnam for 18 months, his entire service after Basic Tng, Airborne Tng and AIT and that when he left VN, he started college at Gardner-Webb. If you have some report that shows the basic SF Training and where, the two Skills training which can take over 1-2 years and the 5 year obligation once pinned as a Green Beret, and where he served as a Green Beret, I would like to see it! Nothing wrong with his service record but it wasn't as a GB/SF soldier! He was drafted, trained and spent 18 mths in VN, then out, show me different!
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#17 Nov 8, 2011
George Cruise wrote:
Barney, you asked, " When and where was the alledged Special Forces/Green Beret training and service?" Answer: Both the Franklin Press and Macon News have reported it many times. Do your own research.
So, is Trevor Dalton in college now (this semester). The answer is "No".
The big plane I see at the Iotla airport when I pass by every day is the same one, not any more, so do you know who is the owner of it (that ONE)?
How much do you think of our taxes are going to support that one or more big planes by providing a private airport at PUBLIC TAXPAYER EXPENSE?
WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR NUMBERS ABOUT THE "40-50 OR SO" of retail spaces that "HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR OVER A YEAR"? That is my question. It is not public information.
So, who owns THAT PALMER STREET shopping center and is charging $2,000 for the B&D space"----------which is the point! Do they really want to rent it or just let it sit there idle and help deflate the local economy?
Dig deeper Barney. You're learning! LOL!
Oh, FYI, the article reporting his real service was in March 2010 in the Macon News and Press. They both listed the 173rd AIB service and no mention of SF/GB, that came later, when he was retiring. That Article/Fluff Piece was written by his wife Anna and presented to both papers by two other female teacher friends, not by Anna, thats what the person at Macon News told me when they refused to investigate further. She then told me that if it bothered me so much, I should confront him, hmmm, not really a problem, but I just wanted them to do the right thing and correct their disinformation.
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#18 Nov 8, 2011
LOL, Barney. You said " They (local newspapers) have never reported any SF Training/Service, just that he was a Green Beret and served in the SF. They had in the past shot that down..." Of course they couldn't because it didn't happen.

So you say the local papers "shot down" their own pronouncement that he was a Green Beret just because they did not say exactly where or when he was trained as such????? Wouldn't a reader assumes he had training to be one if the papers say he was a Green Beret/Special Forces person! You're playing semantics, Barney. Bottom line is that the papers called him a Green Beret and said he served in the Special Forces, which was a falsehood----a lie!

So his wife got two of her teacher friends to help her promote him as the Green Beret---"the man, the myth, the legend" which furthered his false myth and legend to the public, i.e. so the teacher friends were laundering information to promote and further the lie! So much for the integrity of FHS teachers, at least those two teachers!!!!!!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#19 Nov 8, 2011
P.S., Barney, neither paper ever refuted their misinformation (lies) and thus helped get him placed on the Macon County school board and the SCC board, both a travesty for truth and honesty in Macon County, although nothing new!
George Cruise

Little Switzerland, NC

#20 Nov 8, 2011
Barney, the false information put out there about Shields is especially sickening because we really did have several real Prisoner of War heroes in Viet Nam ----------Henry and McNish.

We do not need falsified fake heroes.

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