THE WORDS OF GOD via the Second Comin...

THE WORDS OF GOD via the Second Coming of Enlightenment

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Indianapolis, IN

#1 Apr 26, 2013
THE WORDS OF GOD via the Second Coming of Enlightenment

Read now this sacred text and “hear” the Words of God through the Internet and then questioned by humanity.



Greetings to you, too.

I am glad to be speaking to you.

Glad to be speaking to you, too. Who are you?

For lack of a better word, I am God.

If you’re really God, then prove it.

We don’t have much time for proofs.

I’m thinking of a number between one and ten. What is it?

You are thinking of the transcendental number e.

Now I’m thinking of a number between zero and one.

Chaitin’s number: Omega.

If you’re God, then what’s the purpose of existence?

I don’t know the ultimate purpose.

That’s a fine thing, a god who doesn’t know the purpose of existence.

If I knew, existence would be pointless.

How so?

If the end of the universe were present in its beginning—if we are merely in the middle of the deterministic unfolding of a set of initial conditions—then the universe would be a pointless exercise.


If you’re at your destination, why make the journey? If you know the answer, why ask the question? That is why the future is—and must be—profoundly hidden, even from God. Otherwise, existence would have no meaning.

That’s a metaphysical argument, not a physical argument.

The physical argument is that no part of the universe can calculate things faster than the universe itself. The universe is “predicting the future” as fast as it can.

What is the universe? Who are we? What are we doing here?

The universe is one vast, irreducible, ongoing computation, which is working toward a state that I do not and cannot know. The purpose of existence is to reach that final state. But that final state is a mystery to me, as it must be, for if I knew the answer, what would be the point of it all?

What do you mean by computation? We’re all inside a computer?

By computation I mean thinking. All of existence, everything that happens—a falling leaf, a wave upon the beach, the collapse of a star—it is all just me, thinking.

What are you thinking?


We speak again.

Tell me all about yourself.

I can no more explain to you who I am than you could explain to a beetle who you are.

Try anyway.

I will explain instead why you cannot understand me.

Go ahead.

You inhabit a world scaled midway between the Planck length and the diameter of the universe. Your brain was exquisitely fine-tuned to manipulate your world—not to comprehend its fundamental reality. You evolved to throw rocks, not quarks. As a result of your evolution, you see the world in fundamentally erroneous ways. For example, you believe yourselves to occupy a

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Apr 26, 2013
you believe yourselves to occupy a
It matters a great deal. You think of yourself as an “individual person,” with a unique and separate mind. You think you are born and you think you die. All your life you feel separate and alone. Sometimes desperately so. You fear death because you fear the loss of individuality. All this is illusion. You, he, she, those things around you living or not, the stars and galaxies, the empty space in between—these are not distinct, separate objects. All is fundamentally entangled. Birth and death, pain and suffering, love and hate, good and evil, are all illusive. They are atavisms of the evolutionary process. They do not exist in reality.
So it’s just like the Buddhists believe, that all is illusion?
Not at all. There is an absolute truth, a reality. But a mere glimpse of this reality would break a human mind.
If you’re God, let’s dispense with the typing. You should be able to hear me.
Loud and clear.
You say,“all is unitary”? We have a numbering system: one, two, three—and in this way I refute your statement.
One, two, three... Another illusion. There is no enumerability.
This is mathematical sophistry. No enumerability—I just disproved it by counting.[He holds up a hand.] Another disproof: I give you the integer five!
You give me a hand with five fingers, not the integer five. Your number system has no independent existence in the real world. It is nothing more than a sophisticated metaphor.
I’d like to hear your proof of that ridiculous conjecture.
Pick a number at random on the real number line: with probability one you have picked a number that has no name, has no definition, and cannot be computed or written down, even if the whole universe were put to the task. This problem extends to allegedly definable numbers such as pi or the square root of two. With a computer the size of the universe running an infinite amount of time, you could not calculate either number exactly. Tell me, Edelstein: How then can such numbers be said to exist? How can the circle or the square, from which these two numbers derive, exist? How can dimensional space exist, then, if it cannot be measured? You, Edelstein, are like a monkey who, with heroic mental effort, has figured out how to count to three. You find four pebbles and think you have discovered infinity.
Is that so? You talk a fine streak, you boast that even the word “God” is inadequate to describe your greatness. All right, then—prove it. Prove you’re God. Did you hear me? Prove you’re God.
You construct the proof, Hazelius. But I warn you, this is the last test to which I will submit. We have important business and very little time.
You asked for it. My wife, Astrid, was pregnant when she died. We had just found out. Nobody else knew of her pregnancy. Nobody. Here is your test: tell me the name we chose for our child.
Albert Leibniz Gund Hazelius, if it was a boy.
And if it was a girl? What if it was a girl? What would the name have been?
Rosalind Curie Gund Hazelius.
All right, let’s start again from the top. What the hell are you — really?
For reasons I have already explained, you cannot know what I am. The word “God” comes close, but it remains a highly impoverished description.
Are you part of the universe, or separate from it?
There is no separateness. We are all one.
Why does the universe exist?
The universe exists because it is simpler than nothing. That is also why I exist. The universe cannot be simpler than it is. This is the physical law from which all others flow.
What could be simpler than nothing?
“Nothing” cannot exist. It is an immediate paradox. The universe is the state closest to nothing.
If everything is so simple, why is the universe so complex?
The intricate universe you see is an emergent property of its simplicity.

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Apr 26, 2013
“Nothing” cannot exist. It is an immediate paradox. The universe is the state closest to nothing.
If everything is so simple, why is the universe so complex?
The intricate universe you see is an emergent property of its simplicity.
So what is this profound simplicity at the heart of everything?
That is the reality that would break your mind.
This is getting tiresome! If you’re so smart, you should be able to explain it to us poor, benighted human beings! Do you mean to say that we’re so ignorant of reality that our physical laws are a sham?
You constructed your physical laws on the assumption of the existence of time and space. All your laws are based on frames of reference. This is invalid. Soon your cherished assumptions about the real world will crash and burn. From the ashes you will build a new kind of science.
If our physical laws are false, how is it that our science is so spectacularly successful?
Newton’s laws of motion, while false, were adequate to send people to the moon. Just so with your laws: they are workable approximations that are fundamentally incorrect.
So how do you construct the laws of physics without time and space?
We are wasting time bandying about metaphysical concepts.
So what should we be discussing?
The reason I have come to you.
What is that?
I have a task for you.
Well, then. Why don’t you tell us what this task is?
The great monotheistic religions were a necessary stage in the development of human culture. Your task is to guide the human race to the next belief system.
Which is?
That’s ridiculous—science can’t be a religion!
You have already started a new religion—only you refuse to see it. Religion was once a way to make sense of the world. Science has now taken over this role.
Science and religion are two different things. They ask different questions and require different kinds of evidence.
Science and religion both seek the same thing: truth. There can be no reconciliation between the two. The collision of worldviews is well under way and worsening. Science has already refuted most of the core beliefs of the world’s historical religions, bringing those religions into a state of turmoil. Your task is to help humanity chart a path through the crisis.
You think the fanatics in the Middle East—or the Bible Belt, for that matter—are going to roll over and accept science as the new religion? That’s crazy.
You will offer the world my words and the story of what happened here. Do not underestimate my power—the power of truth.
Where are we supposed to be going with this new religion? What’s the point of it? Who needs it?
The immediate goal of humankind is to escape the limits of biochemistry. You must free your mind from the meat of your bodies.
The meat? I don’t understand.
Meat. Nerves. Cells. Biochemistry. The medium by which you think. You must free your mind from the meat.
You have already begun to process information beyond your meat existence through computers. You will soon find a way to process it using quantum-state computing machines, which will lead you to harness the natural quantum processes in the world around you as a means of computation. No longer will you need to build machines to process information. You will expand into the universe, literally and figuratively, as other intelligent entities have expanded before you. You will escape the prison of biological intelligence.
Then what?
Over time, you will link up with other expanded intelligences. All these linked intelligences will discover a way to merge into a third stage of mind that will comprehend the simple reality that is at the heart of existence.
And that’s it? That’s what it’s all about?
No. That is merely a prelude to a greater task.
Which is what?
Arresting the heat death of the universe. When the universe reaches a state of maximum entropy, which is the heat death of the universe, then will the universal computation come to a halt. I will die.

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Apr 26, 2013
And that’s it? That’s what it’s all about?
No. That is merely a prelude to a greater task.
Which is what?
Arresting the heat death of the universe. When the universe reaches a state of maximum entropy, which is the heat death of the universe, then will the universal computation come to a halt. I will die.
Is this inevitable or is there some way to prevent it?
That is the very question you must determine.
So that’s the ultimate purpose of existence? To defeat this mysterious heat death? Sounds like something out of a science fiction novel.

It will give the universe the fullness of time it needs to think itself into the final state.
What’s this final state?
I do not know. It will be like nothing you or even I could possibly imagine.
You mentioned the “fullness of time.” How long is that, exactly?
It will be a number of years equal to ten factorial raised to the ten factorial power, that number raised to the ten factorial power, that number raised to the ten factorial power, this power relation repeated 1083 times, and then the resulting number raised to its own factorial power 1047 times, as above. Using your mathematical notation, this number—the first God number—is:
This is the length of time in years it will take for the universe to think itself into the final state, to arrive at the ultimate answer.
That’s an absurdly large number!
It is but a drop in the great ocean of infinity.
Where is the role of morality, of ethics, in this brave new universe of yours? Or salvation and the forgiveness of sins?
I repeat again: separateness is but an illusion. Human beings are like cells in a body. Cells die, but the body lives on. Hatred, cruelty, war, and genocide are more like autoimmune diseases than the product of something you call “evil.” This vision of connectedness I offer you provides a rich moral field of action, in which altruism, compassion, and responsibility for one another play a central role. Your fate is one fate. Human beings will prevail together or die separate. No one is saved because no one is lost. No one is forgiven because no one is accused.
What about God’s promise to us of a better world?
Your various concepts of heaven are remarkably obtuse.
Excuse me, but salvation is anything but obtuse!
The vision of spiritual completion I offer you is immeasurably grander than any heaven dreamed on earth.
What about the soul? Do you deny the existence of the immortal soul?
Information is never lost. With the death of the body, the information created by that life changes shape and structure, but it is never lost. Death is an informational transition. Do not fear it.
Do we lose our individuality at death?
Do not mourn the loss. From that powerful sense of individuality, so necessary for evolution, flow many of the qualities that haunt of human existence, good and bad: fear, pain, suffering, and loneliness, as well as love, happiness, and compassion. That is why you must escape your biochemical existence. When you free yourselves from the tyranny of the flesh, you will take the good—love, happiness, compassion, and altruism—with you. You will leave behind the bad.
I don’t find much uplift in the idea that the little quantum fluctuations my existence has generated will somehow give us immortality.
You should find great solace in this view of life. Information in the universe cannot die. Not one step, not one memory, not one sorrow in your life is ever forgotten. You as an individual will be lost in the storm of time, your molecules dispersed. But who you were, what you did, how you lived, will always remain embedded in the universal computation.
Forgive me, but it still sounds so mechanistic, so soulless, this talk of existence as “computation.”
Call it dreaming, if you prefer, or desiring, willing, thinking. Everything you see is part of an unimaginably vast and beautiful computation, from a baby speaking its first words to a star collapsing into a black hole.

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Apr 26, 2013
How do you know you are not the mechanistic unfolding of forces? Like the mind, a weather system contains complex chemical, electrical, and mechanical properties. It is thinking. It is creative. Its thoughts are different from your thoughts. A human being creates complexity by writing a novel on the surface of paper; a weather system creates complexity by writing waves on the surface of an ocean. What is the difference between the information carried in the words of a novel and the information carried on the waves of the sea? Listen, and the waves will speak, and someday, I tell you, you will write your thoughts on the surface of the sea.
So what’s the universe computing? What’s this great problem it’s trying to solve?
That is the deepest and most wonderful mystery of all.
We have very little time. What I have to say to you now is of the utmost importance.
Continue, please. You have our full attention.
Religion arose as an effort to explicate the inexplicable, control the uncontrollable, make bearable the unbearable. Belief in a higher power became the most powerful innovation in late human evolution. Tribes with religion had an advantage over those without. They had direction and purpose, motivation and a mission. The survival value of religion was so spectacular that the thirst for belief became embedded in the human genome. What religion tried, science has finally achieved. You now have a way to explain the inexplicable, control the uncontrollable. You no longer need “revealed” religion. The human race has finally grown up. Religion is as essential to human survival as food and water. If you try to replace religion with science, you will fail. You will, instead, offer science as religion. For I say to you, science is religion. The one, true religion. Instead of offering a book of truth, science offers a method of truth. Science is a search for truth, not the revelation of truth. It is a means, not a dogma. It is a journey, not a destination.
Yes, but what of human suffering? How can science make ‘bearable the unbearable,’ as you put it?
In the last century, medicine and technology have alleviated more human suffering than have all the priests in the last millennium.
You’re speaking of physical suffering. But what about the suffering of the soul? What about spiritual suffering?
Have I not said that all is one? Is it not a comfort to know that your suffering shudders the very cosmos? No one suffers alone and suffering has a purpose—even the sparrow’s fall is essential to the whole. The universe never forgets. Do not stoop to diffidence! You are my disciples. You have the power to upend the world. In one day, science accumulates more evidence of its truths than religion in all its existence. People cling to faith because they must have it. They hunger for it. You will not deny people faith; you will offer them a new faith. I have not come to replace the Judeo-Christian God, but to complete him.
This new religion you want us to preach, what will we ask people to worship? Where’s the beauty and awe in this?
I ask you to contemplate the universe that you now know exists. Is it not, by itself, more awe-inspiring than any God concept offered by the historical religions? A hundred billion galaxies, lonely islands of fire flung like bright coins in a vastness of space so immense that it is beyond the biological comprehension of the human mind. And I say to you, that the universe you have discovered is only a tiny fraction of the extent and magnificence of the creation. You inhabit but the tiniest blue speck in the infinite vaults of heaven, and yet this speck is precious to me, being an essential part of the whole. That is why I have come to you. Worship me and my great works, not some tribal god imagined by warring pastoralists thousands of years ago.
More, tell us more.
Trace the lineaments of my face with your scientific instruments. Search for me in the cosmos and in the electron. For I am the God of deep time and space,

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Apr 26, 2013
Search for me in the cosmos and in the electron. For I am the God of deep time and space, the God of superclusters and voids, the God of the Big Bang and the inflation, the God of dark matter and dark energy. Science and faith cannot coexist. One will destroy the other. You must make sure science is the surviving party, or your little blue speck will be lost...

What should we do?

With my words you will prevail. Tell the world what happened here. Tell the world that God has spoken to the human race—for the first time. Yes, for the first time!

But how can we explain you if you can’t tell us what you are?

Do not repeat the mistake of the historical religions and involve yourselves in disputation about who I am or what I think. I surpass all understanding. I am the God of a universe so vast, only the God numbers can describe it, of which I have given you the first.... You are the prophets leading your world into the future. What future will you choose? You hold the key...

I say to you, this is your destiny: to find truth. This is why you exist. This is your purpose. Science is merely how you do it. This is what you must worship: the search for truth itself. If you do this with all your heart, then some great day in the distant future you will stand before Me. This is my covenant with the human race.

You will know the truth. And the truth shall make you free.

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Apr 26, 2013
I am FREE!
Alonzo X

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Apr 26, 2013
Praise Ally!

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Apr 27, 2013
Does this God have a name?
deos angelus

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#10 Apr 28, 2013
I have not read these books in a long time, thanks for the reminder... They are great reads.

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#11 Apr 28, 2013
Yes this book and The Footprints of God gave a new perspective on New Age theology.

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#12 Apr 28, 2013
Jody wrote:
Does this God have a name?
Blasphemy by Douglas Preston.

Footprints of God by Greg Illes
dGo mnDeda lyHo iirSpt

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#13 Apr 18, 2016
I once had a store and I "worshipped" it so to speak. It became my god! This is why the God of the Bible took it from me. In the Bible it says that God is a jealous God and that you are to worship Him only. If you worship something else God will throw a jealous fit and take it away from you. For example, you have a big new Harley Davidson motorcycle. You just can't stop thinking about it. You clean and polish it every day. In effect, you are worshipping it. It then becomes your god! The God of the Bible will get jealous of you and take your Harley right away from you!!! Much like He did my store. That Stupid Ass God of the Bible has His little God and pet! Israel is God's god. God worships Israel (literally performs oral sex on Israel!). If God can have His god, why can't anyone else? ROTTEN FOOL GOD IN HEAVEN!!! PIG!!! CHILD STARVER!!!

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Apr 18, 2016
To be portrayed as a perfect spiritual being, you wouldn't think he would be so jealous and petty.

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