What is the pre-first grade at Burg a...

What is the pre-first grade at Burg and how many kids do this?

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Fred

Marion, OH

#1 Feb 3, 2013
Just wandering what exactly pre-first is? I have never heard of such a thing until recently. I know several parents who have held their kids back and placed them in pre first because they weren't " emotionally" ready. The kids I know... There is nothing wrong with them
Parent

Marion, OH

#2 Feb 3, 2013
Worry about your own kids and let other people do what they think is best for theirs.
getreal

Minford, OH

#3 Feb 3, 2013
This is for children who need an extra year to get ready for 1st grade. Usually children who have a summer birthday are a little more immature than others whose birthdays were earlier in the year. Birthday cut off is September 30. If your birthday is just a few months before that then there is a big difference (sometimes) with a child whose birthday is in say October, November, Dec. This class just gives them time to catch up in several different ways before they are put in 1st grade. If your childs birthday is in Nov. they turn 5 then go to kindergarten the next fall. If you childs birthday is August and turn 5 then they start kindergarten that month. That makes them the youngest in their class.
Fred

Marion, OH

#4 Feb 3, 2013
Gotcha good idea
jobsecurity

Marion, OH

#5 Feb 3, 2013
listen i have personally experienced this as a parent and i did not agree with it. wheelersburg school is bad for this. i kind of think they do it because of low number of students but thats my opinion. they tried to tell me my kid was just average and some was a little above average so that my child needed to do this pre first. i declined and my kid has been on honor roll. and has done real well with there schooling. the problem is these teachers likes to compare all the kids. they all learn at a different levels. so i think the teachers just need to teach a little more.
Fred wrote:
Gotcha good idea
Simple

Brinkhaven, OH

#6 Feb 3, 2013
jobsecurity wrote:
listen i have personally experienced this as a parent and i did not agree with it. wheelersburg school is bad for this. i kind of think they do it because of low number of students but thats my opinion. they tried to tell me my kid was just average and some was a little above average so that my child needed to do this pre first. i declined and my kid has been on honor roll. and has done real well with there schooling. the problem is these teachers likes to compare all the kids. they all learn at a different levels. so i think the teachers just need to teach a little more.
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i can settle this debate with a simple sentence...IF U DON'T WANT YOUR CHILD BEING IN PRE-FIRST PUT HIM/HER INTO KINDERGARDEN!!....so your child didn't need it, good for you, but it does help some children.........plus another cool benefit, even though it's selfish, is that you will have your child home another year before they go to college and move out....believe me, they grow up way to fast.
jobsecurity

Marion, OH

#7 Feb 3, 2013
yeah i know since i have two thats getting ready to graduate. i think 13 years of school is plenty. face it teachers dont like to work with the children like they use to. and trust me when a teacher tells you that your kid is average but we like them to be above average thats crazy because average to me means normal. and yes some may benefit from it and some dont. if you feel your kid doesnt need it then dont let it happen. and pre first is after kindergarden. pre 1st is before 1st grade.
Simple wrote:
<quoted text>i can settle this debate with a simple sentence...IF U DON'T WANT YOUR CHILD BEING IN PRE-FIRST PUT HIM/HER INTO KINDERGARDEN!!....so your child didn't need it, good for you, but it does help some children.........plus another cool benefit, even though it's selfish, is that you will have your child home another year before they go to college and move out....believe me, they grow up way to fast.
retired

Zanesville, OH

#8 Feb 3, 2013
Anyone that has never heard of pre-1st and the obvious benefits it holds for a lot of children must be living in a box. Schools all over the world have had pre-1st for 30 + years. Every single school? No, but probably more do than don't. A few people have already explained it well. It helps younger children adjust better. Usually these children are very bright but sometimes emotionally immature. I knows by children that benefitted from it. In the end it's the parents' choice for their child.

Whoever thinks that's today's teachers don't do a good job I don't know where you're coming from. Sure there are some teachers at every school that could value their job a little better but Burg is overall a good system. If there is anything they need to work on it is dealing with problematic children. They let children run all over them with no consequences. However, that should be addressed with the principle.
teached4

Marion, OH

#9 Feb 4, 2013
nobody said burg was not a good school. the quote was the pre 1st is not always whats best for some children. the burg compares the students to much to one another. there is no two children that learns at the same pace. just as the old saying goes there is no two teachers that teaches the same. and i agree that teachers dont seem to put the effort in teaching as they use to and if they did the parents wouldnt have to worry about after they get home from there jobs and have a dinner. there quality time they could have with there children ends up being pages of homework. and its like a every night thing. and as far as problematic children thats in every school. and i think burg does pretty well with it.
retired wrote:
Anyone that has never heard of pre-1st and the obvious benefits it holds for a lot of children must be living in a box. Schools all over the world have had pre-1st for 30 + years. Every single school? No, but probably more do than don't. A few people have already explained it well. It helps younger children adjust better. Usually these children are very bright but sometimes emotionally immature. I knows by children that benefitted from it. In the end it's the parents' choice for their child.
Whoever thinks that's today's teachers don't do a good job I don't know where you're coming from. Sure there are some teachers at every school that could value their job a little better but Burg is overall a good system. If there is anything they need to work on it is dealing with problematic children. They let children run all over them with no consequences. However, that should be addressed with the principle.
Oldsaying

Columbus, OH

#10 Feb 4, 2013
teached4 wrote:
nobody said burg was not a good school. the quote was the pre 1st is not always whats best for some children. the burg compares the students to much to one another. there is no two children that learns at the same pace. just as the old saying goes there is no two teachers that teaches the same. and i agree that teachers dont seem to put the effort in teaching as they use to and if they did the parents wouldnt have to worry about after they get home from there jobs and have a dinner. there quality time they could have with there children ends up being pages of homework. and its like a every night thing. and as far as problematic children thats in every school. and i think burg does pretty well with it.
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ive never heard of that old saying..."no two teachers that ever teach the same"........Ive heard no 2 snowflakes are the same, no 2 fingerprints the same...I've never heard my grandmother or any old person telling me about no 2 teachers the same...it makes no sense, I'd say with millions of teachers world wide, I'm sure there are many that teach the same.
dan

Zanesville, OH

#11 Feb 4, 2013
Ha ha. I agree. That didn't make sense. The person also said "nobody said Burg was not a good school" basically starts saying they aren't a good school. If you're complaining that the teachers aren't good, you're saying the school isn't good.
teached4

Marion, OH

#12 Feb 4, 2013
well hell my teacher said it when i was in the burg back in the day. damn i didnt say it was an 80 year old saying. so you really think all teachers teach the same and explain stuff the same you dont think there is different methods. i mean come on theres different ways of doing stuff. you must be dumb you say out of millions of teachers many teach the same. what about the others you think they may teach different then.
Oldsaying wrote:
<quoted text>ive never heard of that old saying..."no two teachers that ever teach the same"........Ive heard no 2 snowflakes are the same, no 2 fingerprints the same...I've never heard my grandmother or any old person telling me about no 2 teachers the same...it makes no sense, I'd say with millions of teachers world wide, I'm sure there are many that teach the same.
retired

United States

#13 Feb 4, 2013
teached4 wrote:
<quoted text>nobody said burg was not a good school. the quote was the pre 1st is not always whats best for some children. the burg compares the students to much to one another. there is no two children that learns at the same pace. just as the old saying goes there is no two teachers that teaches the same. and i agree that teachers dont seem to put the effort in teaching as they use to and if they did the parents wouldnt have to worry about after they get home from there jobs and have a dinner. there quality time they could have with there children ends up being pages of homework. and its like a every night thing. and as far as problematic children thats in every school. and i think burg does pretty well with it.
I know what the post was about. I also know that nobody directly said those exact words, but it was going in that direction from one of the commenters. You seem to be doing the same thing with your comment. You're not bashing or flaming but you're trying to heavily criticize what the teachers do and do not do. I disagree with what you're saying. Kids have to be compared a little to see where other kids stand in terms of aptitude and achievement. It's not to make parents mad or ruin their lives with some homework. It is to help children succeed. No school is perfect.
tom22

Marion, OH

#14 Feb 4, 2013
ha ha im sure this person is not judging every teacher. sure didnt sound to me like they were putting the whole school down. i agree some teachers dont teach the same. just as some kids are not on the same levels as others. just like not all kids are honor roll students. just like i have worked for different construction companies. and the end results may be the same but some foremans like stuff done a little different than others. its a quote that not everybody does stuff the same. i guess some people like you dont understand what another is saying. just take your time read it slowwwwww maybeee youllll underrstanddddd what there saying. and by the way just because some teachers are notthe same doesnt mean the school is no good..
dan wrote:
Ha ha. I agree. That didn't make sense. The person also said "nobody said Burg was not a good school" basically starts saying they aren't a good school. If you're complaining that the teachers aren't good, you're saying the school isn't good.
teached4

Marion, OH

#15 Feb 4, 2013
well im not criticizing im doing like every one else and thats expressing my feeling my believes. and i dont mind some homework but it is like a everyday thing with certain teachers. and as far as comparisons go do you believe it has to be done in a manner where the kid or the parent has to be told directly that this kid here is above average and this one is just average. thats what test and quizs are for. thats how you find out where they need help. if a kid is struggling then help them. a teachers job is to help that kid learn that subject. thats why there called teachers. and i know that no school is perfect i never said there was.
retired wrote:
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I know what the post was about. I also know that nobody directly said those exact words, but it was going in that direction from one of the commenters. You seem to be doing the same thing with your comment. You're not bashing or flaming but you're trying to heavily criticize what the teachers do and do not do. I disagree with what you're saying. Kids have to be compared a little to see where other kids stand in terms of aptitude and achievement. It's not to make parents mad or ruin their lives with some homework. It is to help children succeed. No school is perfect.
meetoo

Marion, OH

#16 Feb 4, 2013
well i guess theres alot of sayings out there but i actually have heard this same saying. i guess i must be weird to you since i had a shop teacher tell me this same thing. and im not an old person. but i really dont understand what makes no sense about it. but i never heard theres no 2 snowflakes the same. that must of been a good conversation. i could just hear that one hey bud lets measure all these snowflakes i bet you theres none the same size. well i cant get a measurement they keep melting..lol. but i guess your the smart one hear not me.
Oldsaying wrote:
<quoted text>ive never heard of that old saying..."no two teachers that ever teach the same"........Ive heard no 2 snowflakes are the same, no 2 fingerprints the same...I've never heard my grandmother or any old person telling me about no 2 teachers the same...it makes no sense, I'd say with millions of teachers world wide, I'm sure there are many that teach the same.
dan

Portsmouth, OH

#17 Feb 4, 2013
dan wrote:
Ha ha. I agree. That didn't make sense. The person also said "nobody said Burg was not a good school" basically starts saying they aren't a good school. If you're complaining that the teachers aren't good, you're saying the school isn't good.
Thank you. I'm no longer confused. You explained things very thoroughly. I was wrong.
retired

Portsmouth, OH

#18 Feb 4, 2013
teached4 wrote:
<quoted text>well im not criticizing im doing like every one else and thats expressing my feeling my believes. and i dont mind some homework but it is like a everyday thing with certain teachers. and as far as comparisons go do you believe it has to be done in a manner where the kid or the parent has to be told directly that this kid here is above average and this one is just average. thats what test and quizs are for. thats how you find out where they need help. if a kid is struggling then help them. a teachers job is to help that kid learn that subject. thats why there called teachers. and i know that no school is perfect i never said there was.
I understand what you're saying but test and quiz results alone don't satisfy parents. They want an explanation. There is nothing wrong with that but when a parent needs more information to see where their child stands comparing is going to happen.

Besides if there is anyone who likes to compare it is parents. Parents get upset and complain of comparing taking place but they are usually the ones who do it the most. Parents want to know why their child's friend or sibling is in a higher group instead of focusing on their own child.

If you worked multiple school systems half your life you would see what I'm talking about.
1 person /a lot of names

Portsmouth, OH

#19 Feb 4, 2013
I once heard a lady say you can't judge a book by its cover. It was 7 years ago. Another time I remember having two teachers that I thought were very different. They had different styles and methods. One liked homework the other did not. One helped me because my learning style understood them better. My friend once said you can't cry over spilt milk. I'm serious. This makes sense. Help children.
nobodyknows

Marion, OH

#20 Feb 4, 2013
it does not matter what is said here. theres always going be a different opinion. and thats with anything. i think if you take a test and you pass it congrats to that student. that shows they understand it. and if you do not do well. that shows you need more work with that subject. that would be the only comparison needed my opinion. but opinions are like a$$ holes everybody has one.
retired wrote:
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I understand what you're saying but test and quiz results alone don't satisfy parents. They want an explanation. There is nothing wrong with that but when a parent needs more information to see where their child stands comparing is going to happen.
Besides if there is anyone who likes to compare it is parents. Parents get upset and complain of comparing taking place but they are usually the ones who do it the most. Parents want to know why their child's friend or sibling is in a higher group instead of focusing on their own child.
If you worked multiple school systems half your life you would see what I'm talking about.

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