Ky. Gov. defends arguments against ga...

Ky. Gov. defends arguments against gay marriage

There are 16 comments on the Daily World story from Jul 3, 2014, titled Ky. Gov. defends arguments against gay marriage. In it, Daily World reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. a?? Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear defended the notion that same-sex marriage threatens the state's birthrate and economic development Wednesday, a day after a federal judge ridiculed his argument against gay marriage.

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david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#1 Jul 3, 2014
They'd do well curbing birth rates .. Isn't the world already in serious trouble over that ?! This governor must be as ignorant as an oyster .. or is it just criminally irresponsible ?
Shirvel s Shrivel

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Jul 3, 2014
"same-sex marriage threatens the state's birthrate"

Many of the fundies and tee baggrz will stop pretending to be heterosexual and starting families if there's marriage equality, I guess is the (only possible) logic here.
Jumper The wise

Morgantown, KY

#3 Jul 3, 2014
It's a hard choice to make people who are set in their ways.

But if gay marriage leads to more single women out there for me to get it on with than I say go for baby!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#4 Jul 3, 2014
This says it all.

Senior U.S. District Court Judge John G. Heyburn II struck down Kentucky's ban on gay marriage Tuesday and wrote that, in his opinion, Beshear's lawyers' arguments were "not those of serious people." He said that Beshear's private lawyers never explained how same-sex marriage would affect procreation among heterosexual partners.

......'nuff said

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#5 Jul 4, 2014
david traversa wrote:
They'd do well curbing birth rates .. Isn't the world already in serious trouble over that ?! This governor must be as ignorant as an oyster .. or is it just criminally irresponsible ?
Please don't cast aspersions on oysters, they make people like the governor look stupid.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7 Jul 4, 2014
Harold wrote:
Way to go Governor Steve Beshear!
Yup. Waste more tax dollars.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943 (SCOTUS Majority Opinion)
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”
dawgs

London, KY

#8 Jul 4, 2014
Shirvel s Shrivel wrote:
"same-sex marriage threatens the state's birthrate"

Many of the fundies and tee baggrz will stop pretending to be heterosexual and starting families if there's marriage equality, I guess is the (only possible) logic here.
Gay marriage is wrong.
dawgs

London, KY

#9 Jul 4, 2014
Shirvel s Shrivel wrote:
"same-sex marriage threatens the state's birthrate"

Many of the fundies and tee baggrz will stop pretending to be heterosexual and starting families if there's marriage equality, I guess is the (only possible) logic here.
You like being tea bagged!
dawgs

London, KY

#10 Jul 4, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Yup. Waste more tax dollars.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943 (SCOTUS Majority Opinion)
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”
Tea bagger!

“in eastern nc”

Since: Apr 07

Jacksonville /CampLejeune

#11 Jul 4, 2014
[GOV not stupid ,he's just following the donation$
Phil McCracken

Frankfort, KY

#12 Jul 4, 2014
I just love sucking on an old used tea bag.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#13 Jul 4, 2014
Here is what the court says.

“….These arguments are not those of serious people. Though it seems almost unnecessary to explain, here are the reasons why. Even assuming the state has a legitimate interest in promoting procreation, the Court fails to see, and Defendant never explains, how the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage has any effect whatsoever on procreation among heterosexual spouses. Excluding same-sex couples from marriage does not change the number of heterosexual couples who choose to get married, the number who choose to have children, or the number of children they have.[...] The state's attempts to connect the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage to its interest in economic stability and in "ensuring humanity's continued existence" are at best illogical and even bewildering….”.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#14 Jul 4, 2014
dawgs wrote:
<quoted text>
You like being tea bagged!
Honey, this isn't a dating site. Look elsewhere for your perversions.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#16 Jul 5, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Yup. Waste more tax dollars.
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943 (SCOTUS Majority Opinion)
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”
And the right to own guns.

Can you explain the difference between a natural right and a civil right? It would be helpful to contrast the difference. Like it is good to know the difference between a democracy and a republic and the difference between liberty and justice.
Phil McCrackens Mother

San Francisco, CA

#17 Jul 5, 2014
Phil McCracken wrote:
I just love sucking on an old used tea bag.
Thank you, dear. You do such a thorough job.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#18 Jul 6, 2014
dawgs wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay marriage is wrong.
“What Makes a Family”

Good evening Mr. Chairman, my name is Zach Wahls. I’m a sixth-generation Iowan and an engineering student at the University of Iowa, and I was raised by two women. My biological mother Terry told her grandparents that she was pregnant, that the artificial insemination had worked, and they wouldn't even acknowledge it. It actually wasn't until I was born and they succumbed to my infantile cuteness that they broke down and told her that they were thrilled to have another grandson. Unfortunately, neither of them would live to see her marry her partner Jackie of fifteen years when they wed in 2009. My younger sister and only sibling was born in 1994. We actually have the same anonymous donor, so we’re full siblings, which is really cool for me. I guess the point is that my family really isn’t so different from any other Iowa family. When I’m home, we go to church together. We eat dinner, we go on vacations. But, we have our hard times too; we get in fights. My mom, Terry, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2000. It is a devastating disease that put her in a wheelchair, so you know, we've had our struggles. But we’re Iowans. We don’t expect anyone to solve our problems for us. We’ll fight our own battles. We just hope for equal and fair treatment for our government.

Being a student at the University of Iowa, the topic of same sex marriage comes up quite frequently in class discussions. The question always comes down to,“Can gays even raise kids?” And the conversation gets quiet for a moment, because most people don’t really have an answer. And then I raise my hand and say,“Well actually, I was raised by a gay couple, and I’m doing pretty well.” I score in the 99th percentile on the ACT. I’m an Eagle Scout. I own and operate my own small business. If I was your son, Mr. Chairman, I believe I’d make you very proud. I’m not so different from any of your children. My family really isn’t so different from yours. After all, your family doesn’t derive its sense of worth from being told by the state,“You’re married, congratulations!” The sense of family comes the commitment we make to each other to work through the hard times so we can enjoy the good ones. It comes from the love that binds us. That’s what makes a family.

So what you’re voting for here is not to change us. It’s not to change our families, it’s to change how the law views us, how the law treats us. You are voting for the first time in the history of our state to codify discrimination into our constitution, a constitution that but for the proposed amendment is the least amended constitution in the United States of America. You are telling Iowans,“Some among you are second-class citizens who do not have the right to marry the person you love.” So will this vote affect my family? Would it affect yours? In the next two hours, I’m sure we’re going to hear a lot of testimony about how damaging having gay parents is on kids. But not once have I ever been confronted by an individual who realized independently that I was raised by a gay couple. And you know why? Because the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero impact on the content of my character. Thank you.

Zach Wahls -The Testimony

http://www.zachwahls.com/the-testimony/

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