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humm

Louisville, KY

#1 Jul 27, 2011
CAN SOMEOnE POST THE RED BRIDGE ARTICLE FROM THE STATE JOURNAL PLEASE & THANKS???!!
What a Shame

Frankfort, KY

#2 Jul 27, 2011
What a poke in the eye this is to the community! Natural gathering places like Red Bridge are becoming extinct due to pollution, sub-division construction, and uptight landowners like Ms. VanArsdall. I've been an avid outdoors woman all my life, and it amazes me how many kids I meet that have never played in a creek or gone fishing. Most of their parents say they don't know of 'a good place' to take their children. Thanks to Ms. VanArsdall, I guess there will be a few more outdoor adventure deprived kids in the world. Rather than enjoying and exploring the wonders of a natural body of water, these kids will spend their summers frolicking in over-chlorinated (translation: over-urinated) public pools, and 'angling' for fish by staring thru the glass of a tank. I'm sure your neighbors will love you for this one, Madam! Yet, in all fairness, as a landowner myself, I can certainly understand Ms. VanArsdall's position. Folks coming onto your property and trashing it up is not to be tolerated, and I'm sure tripping across a couple having an afternoon tete-a-tete in the weeds is both distasteful & embarrassing. Loud, obnoxious/drunken (translation: dangerous) behavior near any body of water is every landowner's nightmare, not to mention an insurance liability. In the end, I'm inclined to believe that if past visitors had picked up their litter rather than leaving it on the creek bank or worse, in the water; if all the Romeos & Juliets had kept a leash on their over-active sex drives, at least until they arrived upon their OWN property; and if the partying crowd had toned it down a bit, conducting themselves responsibly... Well, I'm thinking Ms. VanArsdall might not mind so much if the locals wet a line, toasted a marshmallow, or took a cool swim on a hot day. What has happened here is everybody's fault.
vanarsdall sucks

Louisville, KY

#3 Jul 27, 2011
Guess all those drugs she does back there in the woods has drove her bonkers.what a fool she has made herself with this one. self centered indeed. TOO BAD thats not all her property.Stay tuned ....
creekdweller

Waddy, KY

#4 Jul 27, 2011
wondered y i hadn't seen too many people hangin' down there ne more...that was the spot for yrs and yrs....i even live out here now and can't stop w/ my kids for a cool dip or even to wet a line...what a shame it is

“Give back to your community!”

Since: Jul 07

Frankfort, KY

#5 Jul 27, 2011
What a Shame wrote:
What a poke in the eye this is to the community! Natural gathering places like Red Bridge are becoming extinct due to pollution, sub-division construction, and uptight landowners like Ms. VanArsdall. I've been an avid outdoors woman all my life, and it amazes me how many kids I meet that have never played in a creek or gone fishing. Most of their parents say they don't know of 'a good place' to take their children. Thanks to Ms. VanArsdall, I guess there will be a few more outdoor adventure deprived kids in the world. Rather than enjoying and exploring the wonders of a natural body of water, these kids will spend their summers frolicking in over-chlorinated (translation: over-urinated) public pools, and 'angling' for fish by staring thru the glass of a tank. I'm sure your neighbors will love you for this one, Madam! Yet, in all fairness, as a landowner myself, I can certainly understand Ms. VanArsdall's position. Folks coming onto your property and trashing it up is not to be tolerated, and I'm sure tripping across a couple having an afternoon tete-a-tete in the weeds is both distasteful & embarrassing. Loud, obnoxious/drunken (translation: dangerous) behavior near any body of water is every landowner's nightmare, not to mention an insurance liability. In the end, I'm inclined to believe that if past visitors had picked up their litter rather than leaving it on the creek bank or worse, in the water; if all the Romeos & Juliets had kept a leash on their over-active sex drives, at least until they arrived upon their OWN property; and if the partying crowd had toned it down a bit, conducting themselves responsibly... Well, I'm thinking Ms. VanArsdall might not mind so much if the locals wet a line, toasted a marshmallow, or took a cool swim on a hot day. What has happened here is everybody's fault.
Well stated. Yes, it is everybody's fault.
who

United States

#6 Jul 28, 2011
I live out there, I never knew Mrs. VanArsdell owned the property on the falls side / bridge side. When they bought from the Tacketts, the Tacketts owned house on right side on the hill and the flats on the right side of the road. I don't understand why she included TH Cormans property either, aren't they big enough to deal with people themselves???
fishin

United States

#7 Jul 28, 2011
The worst one is that dumb a$$ drunk out on elkhorn creek below knights bridge that comes out screaming if you wade the creek fishing. I don't care who thinks they own the bottom of that creek. If you can legally canoe it, then I'm going to wade it. What a stupid drunk bastard.
Be Careful

United States

#8 Jul 28, 2011
fishin wrote:
The worst one is that dumb a$$ drunk out on elkhorn creek below knights bridge that comes out screaming if you wade the creek fishing. I don't care who thinks they own the bottom of that creek. If you can legally canoe it, then I'm going to wade it. What a stupid drunk bastard.
Where's Knights bridge?
fishin

Frankfort, KY

#9 Jul 28, 2011
Be Careful wrote:
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Where's Knights bridge?
Google these GPS coordinates 38.268511,-84.814169
Our water

Frankfort, KY

#10 Jul 28, 2011
I understand her for not wanting trash & loud partiers but she DOES not own that water or the bed it flows in.
J.W. Poindexter out Peaks Mill thought he owned the creek that went through his property & it costed him several thousand dollars to learn that the gov. owns them.

As far as having cars towed, She doesn't own the road either. I wonder where she got that the property is a nature preserve? Only the Government can make that declaration!

I don't think anybody will get what she is trying to hide & I also cannot wait till somebody shows her just how much she does have authority over the waterway. Go ahead & let the courts decide it.
Caren

Frankfort, KY

#11 Jul 28, 2011
Isn't it sad that there are people like her and that lady that didn't want Cracker Barrel in Frankfort. Something just isn't right here in Frankfort to think this kind can tell us what we can or can't do. My grandparents lived out on Devils Hollow and we used to go to Red Bridge and have fun. Is this lady trying to hide something???
thinking

United States

#12 Jul 31, 2011
Probably didn't want to get sued when some stupid kid decides to jump off the bridge. No matter how many 'no trespassing' signs you post, people will still come after you if something happens to them on your property. doesn't matter if they ignore the sign and you didn't invite them.
Reality Check

Shepherdsville, KY

#13 Aug 1, 2011
fishin wrote:
I don't care who thinks they own the bottom of that creek. If you can legally canoe it, then I'm going to wade it
You need a refresher course on property rights, sir.

Just because you can canoe it, doesn't mean you can wade it. So all those people who "think" they own the bottom of the creek, they "think" correctly.

It's hard enough to find creek access without folks like you making landowners mad if they try to enforce their rights.
Reality Check

Shepherdsville, KY

#14 Aug 1, 2011
Our water wrote:
I understand her for not wanting trash & loud partiers but she DOES not own that water or the bed it flows in.
J.W. Poindexter out Peaks Mill thought he owned the creek that went through his property & it costed him several thousand dollars to learn that the gov. owns them.
As far as having cars towed, She doesn't own the road either. I wonder where she got that the property is a nature preserve? Only the Government can make that declaration!
I don't think anybody will get what she is trying to hide & I also cannot wait till somebody shows her just how much she does have authority over the waterway. Go ahead & let the courts decide it.
You don't understand property law in KY, apparently.

On Elkhorn Creek, if you own the land on both sides of the creek, anyone wading through with feet on the creekbed is trespassing unless they are portaging a watercraft due to low water.

If you own land on one side of the creekbed, you also own the property rights to the creekbed to the middle of the creek.

Fact.
Be Careful

United States

#15 Aug 1, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>You need a refresher course on property rights, sir.

Just because you can canoe it, doesn't mean you can wade it. So all those people who "think" they own the bottom of the creek, they "think" correctly.

It's hard enough to find creek access without folks like you making landowners mad if they try to enforce their rights.
I'll go by the county attorney's position...you can wade it. Good luck pressing charges on someone swimming.
Reality Check

Shepherdsville, KY

#16 Aug 1, 2011
Be Careful wrote:
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I'll go by the county attorney's position...you can wade it. Good luck pressing charges on someone swimming.
I'm not a landowner on the creek, but I do know people who have been charged, and convicted here in Franklin Co., with trespassing for doing exactly that. Perhaps the county attorney's position is more narrow than you think it is. Exactly what "county attorney opinion" are you talking about?
Be Careful

Frankfort, KY

#17 Aug 1, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not a landowner on the creek, but I do know people who have been charged, and convicted here in Franklin Co., with trespassing for doing exactly that. Perhaps the county attorney's position is more narrow than you think it is. Exactly what "county attorney opinion" are you talking about?
The one quoted in last week's State/Journal...
Observer

Frankfort, KY

#18 Aug 2, 2011
Be Careful wrote:
<quoted text>
The one quoted in last week's State/Journal...
If you'll read that story again, Sparks says there are times where wading would be trespassing. In any event, there is a lot of case law that says he's wrong.
Be Careful

Pflugerville, TX

#19 Aug 2, 2011
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>If you'll read that story again, Sparks says there are times where wading would be trespassing. In any event, there is a lot of case law that says he's wrong.
I've read the article. Wading in creek beds isn't high on law enforcement's list of crimes at the moment and I don't see that changing.
FlipnU1

Frankfort, KY

#20 Aug 2, 2011
Be Careful wrote:
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I've read the article. Wading in creek beds isn't high on law enforcement's list of crimes at the moment and I don't see that changing.
Have you heard about us having the new assH Pat for sheriff??? He'd try to bust you for anything he can, and probably take a picture of it while he is doing it so he could be in this week's paper.

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