Faith

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Oct 28, 2013
"We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God"- James Madison
Murican

Frankfort, KY

#22 Oct 28, 2013
Javier Rivera wrote:
If a Christian nation had been the intent of the founders, they would have put that in the Constitution, front and center. Yet the text of the Constitution contains no references to God, Jesus Christ, or Christianity. That document does not state that our country is an officially Christian nation.
Check out the signatory section of the US Constitution.

"Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven"

That would be 1787 AD (Anno Domini)(Which Anno Domini means "in the year of the Lord)

Which of course, refers to Jesus Christ.
Javier Rivera

Dallas, TX

#23 Oct 28, 2013
Murican wrote:
<quoted text>
Check out the signatory section of the US Constitution.
"Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven"
That would be 1787 AD (Anno Domini)(Which Anno Domini means "in the year of the Lord)
Which of course, refers to Jesus Christ.
This was a common phrase used during that time. It doesn't mean anything.
Faith

Frankfort, KY

#24 Oct 28, 2013
"The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles...to this we owe our free constitutions of government.- Noah Webster
Lane

Lexington, KY

#25 Oct 28, 2013
faith wrote:
I'm not going to debate with anyone. No need to, you will just be ignored. I know my beliefs and no one will change that. You don't like the topic or posts, don't read them. Didn't start this for a debate. You want a debate or argue create your own thread.
People think it is mythical but as time goes on there are more and more evidence to verify through archeologist digs. At least we don't have to worry where we are going when we die.

“Hail Satan!”

Since: Dec 12

Hell

#26 Oct 28, 2013
Read the "Treaty of Tripoli" where James Madison said this country was NOT founded on the christian religion. By the way, in god we trust was not on the money until the early 1950s.

“Hail Satan!”

Since: Dec 12

Hell

#27 Oct 28, 2013
Faith wrote:
"We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God"- James Madison
According to most christians, the ten commandments are in the old testament and it doesn't apply.
Follower of Jesus

Lockport, KY

#28 Oct 28, 2013
I have been reading this thread. It is amazing to see such different opinions. Christ summed the 10 commandments up in 2 commandments. #1 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind. #2 Love your neighbor as yourself. In other words if you love God you will not sin against him. If you love your neighbor you will not do wrong against them. I know we are all raised differently. I'm sure there are athiest that have love towards their neighbor. I wish they could find love for God. Having Faith is important. For some to think the Bible is a fairy tale, is only someones opinion. I believe the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. If you are an atheist or a believer in Christ I will pray for each of you. God knows exactly who each of us are.
Lane

Lexington, KY

#29 Oct 29, 2013
Atheist wrote:
"God" and "The Devil" are the alien overlords of our distant past. All of the first stories in the Bible ('Creation', the Flood) are copied from ancient Sumeria, except that the Hebrews decided to remake the stories in a theological light.
"God" and "The Devil" are half-brothers and "God" is the younger. This is retold in other mythologies such as Zeus and Hades, or Romulus and Remus. Don't you find it odd that a being that is supposedly omnipotent and can will things in and out of existence can't get rid of his own nemesis?!? Are they in love or something? What about the stories in the Bible that just make no sense today? Jonah swallowed by a large, metallic fish and stayed in its belly for 3 days?!? Ezekiel has an encounter with a "wheel within a wheel" that came from the sky? Chariots of fire? Hmmmm.....
Do you believe there were giants?
atheist

Frankfort, KY

#30 Oct 29, 2013
There are no gods.

Religion is a tool used by those with power to control and pacify the weak.

America was founded by bloodthirsty, greedy Christians.

Christians who raped, murdered, and pillaged the Native Americans.

Christians who burned innocent people at the stake.

Christians who raped, murdered, and enslaved Africans.

Yay God!!!
Murican

Frankfort, KY

#31 Oct 31, 2013
atheist wrote:
There are no gods.
Religion is a tool used by those with power to control and pacify the weak.
America was founded by bloodthirsty, greedy Christians.
Christians who raped, murdered, and pillaged the Native Americans.
Christians who burned innocent people at the stake.
Christians who raped, murdered, and enslaved Africans.
Yay God!!!
You kind of contradict yourself. If there is no God, then there can be no Christians, true?

America was founded by people who did not want to be forced to join the Church of England, which was a Catholic Church that dated back to the Roman Empire. Do you really think they were all Christians? Obviously not, considering they didn't want to be forced to join a church.

Burned at the stake: I am sure you realize that witch trials happened in places other than salem, right? And LONG before the Salem Witch Trials. I am also certain you realize that the Witch Trials all began because of two people and less than 30 people died as a result. Oh and you likely already know this, in Salem, none, zero, nil, nada, zilch....were burned. But what do you expect from Massachusetts. Look at them now, liberal, democrat, share the wealth, obama loving folks that they are.

Enslaved Africans? Christians? Really? You REALLY believe this? Was the predominate religion in Africa at that time Christianity? I don't think so, not a chance. Africans were enslaved by who smarty pants?

OH YEA, that is the part of history EVERYONE likes to skip over to bash whites for slavery. That the Africans, enslaved their own people and sold them for profit to english settlers. And if you knew anything about world history, you would know that the white races have been enslave MANY more CENTURIES than the Africans were.

I even find it more amusing that a Republican president signed the amendment (the 13th, since you clearly lack historical knowledge) that freed slaves, yet most are loyal to the Democrat party.

Another historical fun fact, Mississippi did not Ratify the 13th amendment until Feb. 7th ...of what year anyone? 2013.

I am done playing with you for now. You are clearly unarmed of facts or historical knowledge.
Murican

Frankfort, KY

#32 Oct 31, 2013
atheist wrote:
There are no gods.
Religion is a tool used by those with power to control and pacify the weak.
America was founded by bloodthirsty, greedy Christians.
Christians who raped, murdered, and pillaged the Native Americans.
Christians who burned innocent people at the stake.
Christians who raped, murdered, and enslaved Africans.
Yay God!!!
Oh, I do agree with one thing. The Native Americans did get the worst end of the deal. Can you find TWO standing together ANYWHERE other than a reservation? Not likely.

And blacks want to cry about slavery.
What The

Coxs Creek, KY

#33 Oct 31, 2013
Satanic Priestess wrote:
<quoted text>
According to most christians, the ten commandments are in the old testament and it doesn't apply.
That is something that not even 0.0001% of Christians believe.
Fungi

Frankfort, KY

#34 Oct 31, 2013
Satanic Priestess wrote:
<quoted text>
According to most christians, the ten commandments are in the old testament and it doesn't apply.
Then "most Christians" are not following the word of the Lord.

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.(Matthew 5:17-18)"
atheist aka smartypants

Frankfort, KY

#35 Oct 31, 2013
Murican wrote:
<quoted text>
You kind of contradict yourself. If there is no God, then there can be no Christians, true?
America was founded by people who did not want to be forced to join the Church of England, which was a Catholic Church that dated back to the Roman Empire. Do you really think they were all Christians? Obviously not, considering they didn't want to be forced to join a church.
Burned at the stake: I am sure you realize that witch trials happened in places other than salem, right? And LONG before the Salem Witch Trials. I am also certain you realize that the Witch Trials all began because of two people and less than 30 people died as a result. Oh and you likely already know this, in Salem, none, zero, nil, nada, zilch....were burned. But what do you expect from Massachusetts. Look at them now, liberal, democrat, share the wealth, obama loving folks that they are.
Enslaved Africans? Christians? Really? You REALLY believe this? Was the predominate religion in Africa at that time Christianity? I don't think so, not a chance. Africans were enslaved by who smarty pants?
OH YEA, that is the part of history EVERYONE likes to skip over to bash whites for slavery. That the Africans, enslaved their own people and sold them for profit to english settlers. And if you knew anything about world history, you would know that the white races have been enslave MANY more CENTURIES than the Africans were.
I even find it more amusing that a Republican president signed the amendment (the 13th, since you clearly lack historical knowledge) that freed slaves, yet most are loyal to the Democrat party.
Another historical fun fact, Mississippi did not Ratify the 13th amendment until Feb. 7th ...of what year anyone? 2013.
I am done playing with you for now. You are clearly unarmed of facts or historical knowledge.
CONTRADICT MYSELF? LMAO!!!! THE BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF.

Your first statement: Q: If there is no god then there can be no christians, True?.... A: Do you believe in Allah? Regardless of the answer, we all know that there are Muslims. Do you believe in Krishna? Regardless of your answer, we all know that there are Hindus.

Your second statement: Protestants are Christians. The pilgrims were protestants.(Now of course I'm not saying that each individual was a practicing Christian), we can't know the thoughts of each individual. BUT, as a group, they were Christians.

Funny you would say that I lack knowledge of history when you started your post by asserting that the pilgrims were not Christians.

All the rest of your stuff is just racist propaganda. There are some facts in it(like the part about Africans enslaving there own people and selling them to whites) but you have spun it in a way that takes any accountability away from CHRISTIAN SLAVEHOLDERS.Go back to your Klan meeting... oh and don't forget your cross.
atheist aka smartypants

Frankfort, KY

#36 Oct 31, 2013
By the way "Murican" I notice you never defended the validity of the bible.

Do you believe it to be true?
Murican

Frankfort, KY

#37 Oct 31, 2013
atheist aka smartypants wrote:
<quoted text>
CONTRADICT MYSELF? LMAO!!!! THE BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF.
Your first statement: Q: If there is no god then there can be no christians, True?.... A: Do you believe in Allah? Regardless of the answer, we all know that there are Muslims. Do you believe in Krishna? Regardless of your answer, we all know that there are Hindus.
Your second statement: Protestants are Christians. The pilgrims were protestants.(Now of course I'm not saying that each individual was a practicing Christian), we can't know the thoughts of each individual. BUT, as a group, they were Christians.
Funny you would say that I lack knowledge of history when you started your post by asserting that the pilgrims were not Christians.
All the rest of your stuff is just racist propaganda. There are some facts in it(like the part about Africans enslaving there own people and selling them to whites) but you have spun it in a way that takes any accountability away from CHRISTIAN SLAVEHOLDERS.Go back to your Klan meeting... oh and don't forget your cross.
Here come the semantics...

1) That was sarcasm. To put it another way, just because you don't believe in God, heaven or hell does not make it less real.

2) By your own logic, as a group, what classifies the group? The Christian or non-Christian portion? Again, learn some history. ALL people on the Mayflower were not Pilgrams, only about half.

To further exploit your lack of historical knowledge, The Pilgrims were Calvinists. While you are technically correct that they were Protestants, but so is every other non-Catholic Christian church. Pilgrims also did not try to convert non-believers either.

So again, if half are christians and half are not, which half wins the identity "of the group?" Of course, the one that proves your point.

3)yes and I STILL assert your lack of historical fact and knowledge. Now lets add to it your reading comprehension. What I said was:
America was founded by people who did not want to be forced to join the Church of England, which was a Catholic Church that dated back to the Roman Empire. Do you really think they were all Christians?
No where in there did I say Pilgrims were not Christians. The settlers (as we have established already) on the Mayflower were NOT all Pilgrims. Therefore my statement quotes stands tried trust and factual.

4) You never commented on your assertion that Christians burned people at the stake. I had to surmise you were talking about the Salem Witch Trials, since you were not clear and the rest of your diatribe was early American history. Outside of America, maybe Christians did burn some witches at the stake.

5) How is stating historical fact, that you can research yourself, racist? Please do point out something racist.

Oh, I don't like Obama, that MUST make it racists. It couldn't possibly be because he is driving this ship to socialism and taking more and more of what I have worked hard to accomplish and earn because others lack motivation.
Murican

Frankfort, KY

#38 Oct 31, 2013
atheist aka smartypants wrote:
By the way "Murican" I notice you never defended the validity of the bible.
Do you believe it to be true?
I believe through faith and grace that the bible is true. Yes.

Why ANYTIME God is mentioned, do you, Satanic Priest and/or Satanic Priestess come in and bash God? You come in with half-truths, lies and little knowledge, then start off topic battles, like this one.

Is this a ritual you Satanist partake in when you are not trolling Topix?

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atheist aka smartypants

Frankfort, KY

#39 Nov 1, 2013
Murican wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe through faith and grace that the bible is true. Yes.
Why ANYTIME God is mentioned, do you, Satanic Priest and/or Satanic Priestess come in and bash God? You come in with half-truths, lies and little knowledge, then start off topic battles, like this one.
Is this a ritual you Satanist partake in when you are not trolling Topix?
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OK. You are a moron. If you had only prayed more Obama wouldn't be President... right? bahahaha!!

I didn't say you were racist because of your Obama comments. I know lots of people who don't like Obama aren't racist...

Your "blacks are always crying about slavery comment" on the other hand shows your true colors. Ummm.... slavery is wrong. That's like saying "Jews are always crying about the holocaust". What a hateful and ignorant thing to say.

Faith is for idiots. How can you expect someone to take you seriously when you believe in Skydaddy?

None of your posts make any sense and you used the word "exploit" incorrectly.

I don't know the Satanic couple.

I'm done with you. You offer no good points, you believe in an ancient myth that has been proven false time and time again. And you are certainly a Bill O'Reilly loving RACIST.

You suck.
Murican

Frankfort, KY

#40 Nov 1, 2013
atheist aka smartypants wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. You are a moron. If you had only prayed more Obama wouldn't be President... right? bahahaha!!
I didn't say you were racist because of your Obama comments. I know lots of people who don't like Obama aren't racist...
Your "blacks are always crying about slavery comment" on the other hand shows your true colors. Ummm.... slavery is wrong. That's like saying "Jews are always crying about the holocaust". What a hateful and ignorant thing to say.
Faith is for idiots. How can you expect someone to take you seriously when you believe in Skydaddy?
None of your posts make any sense and you used the word "exploit" incorrectly.
I don't know the Satanic couple.
I'm done with you. You offer no good points, you believe in an ancient myth that has been proven false time and time again. And you are certainly a Bill O'Reilly loving RACIST.
You suck.
I was really hoping for something more interesting to read. Calling someone a moron for their beliefs, that's pretty infantile and just as bad as racism. Oh well, you have yet to amaze me with any factual knowledge yet, so I shouldn't be shocked. But at least you have had a fairly clean debate.

"Blacks want to cry about slavery"

How is that racist? Oh wait, "racism" is the new word for "truce, you win, but lets make you the bad guy." I am tired of people yelling "racism" every time someone says something they don't like. It's over played.

White races have been enslaved for THOUSANDS of years across the globe. Yet you do not hear whites complaining about slavery. Like black slavery, the only thing that ties them to it is ancestors.
My people, The American Indian, were slaughtered like cattle. What were left of them were herded to small zoo like areas of land to be forced to live in captive area, unable to leave there. Slavery would have been a GREAT option by comparison.

My point to that, is every other race that has been enslaved or nearly brought to extinction has moved on. Blacks want to blame whites, but never their own people. They claim Africa as the mother land (from where their ancestors were enslaved, beaten and ultimately sold) and are even friends with blacks that are truly FROM Africa. But they want to blame slavery for their issues.
When they are as far removed from slavery as I am the slaughter of the American Indian. How is that racist at ALL? It's a ridiculous cop out. I didn't own a slave. They were never slaves themselves.

Trust me, I am surely empathetic with the situation of their ancestors and what they endured, but people didn't endure it or promote it.

See, you cannot even get past history to even analyze it on an intellectual level and see it for what it is. HISTORY. Until the human species can do this, they will be held back by it.

ex·ploit
verb
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exploited;&#8195;past participle: exploited;&#8195;gerund or present
participle: exploiting
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1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"
synonyms: utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put
to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit
from; More

So I "exploited" your lack of knowledge about Pilgrims to show that they were Calvinist. I also said that you were technically correct that they are Protestant, but so is every other denomination of Christianity that is not Catholic.

For someone who denounces God, Christianity and religion, you certainly seem to have done so on very little knowledge. I would thought you, the non-believer, would have a brain full of Christianity knowledge from research before you decided God and religion were "mythological."

I would at least have some respect for you if you had said you could not refute some of my points. But you clearly give up and realize you cannot compete, so "racism" is used to be a quitter.

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