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FAITHSTRONG

Frankfort, IN

#1 Jul 13, 2011
Clinton County needs a change in MANY areas but where to start? The days of a simple mans’ word and a hand shake are no more! These are the days of the hidden agendas, corrupt way of thinking, and people thinking they are better than others in this community when reality is, we all live in the same community!
Has it ever dawned on anyone that it seems to have DRUGS on the front page of our paper weekly? Is this what our community has to offer? Why would that attract new people to this town? It certainly would not!!! From people whom I have spoken to personally that have moved to this town their comments about this town are "wow, the information/gossip train in this town is like no other" This is true in many areas of this community! So where does it start to change??? Isn’t it better to have prevention, education, and intervention? It’s like people are running to jump off a cliff and instead of putting up a gate, our community is putting an ambulance at the bottom, and then complaining about the COST!
There is nothing wrong with the "good old boy" in the since of the true "good old boy” When I think of that term I think of a man who will go above and beyond to help a neighbor, or a stranger stuck on the road, or plow an old lady’s drive, or help with the little league baseball team, goes to church, and is a good example in his family! That Good Old Boy doesn't seem to exist anymore. Now days the term Good Ol boy SYSTEM is another term for "click", you are in or out! It’s based on who you know and what you have! THAT my friend, is not the true meaning of “Good Ol’ Boy” and “System,” well… ours is far from FAIR, Corruption, and certainly is broken! This town needs people in every place of authority to start doing what is right and stop doing what is "expected." People with new ideas or ways to do something should not be shot down simply because it’s not the way we do it. There is a time for the "back to the basics” and there is a time to try new things." The saying “ The definition of Insanity is doing something over and over again expecting different results, holds true. This town needs to mix it up a little. We need people in this town who care more about helping people instead of themselves!
FAITHSTRONG

Frankfort, IN

#2 Jul 13, 2011
Our town needs MANY resources in areas that have continued to create a problem in our community! RESOURCES and EDUCATION!
Children these days have SOOO much to do but nothing at all to do! The days of playing hide and seek, tag, water balloon fights, board games, puzzles, reading books have been replaced with numerous computer and game systems. A simple yes sir and no sir aren’t taught in school or the meaning of RESPECT your elders or OTHERS is no longer taught in our homes. Saying prayers before you sit down to eat dinner, asking your kids how school was and helping them with their homework. Teaching your children to say please and thank you. Those are the basics that need to be brought back. However, there are many needs in this community as stated above that need some HELP! Something is simply NOT working and we as a community continue to sit back and watch this county continue on a downward spiral or we can recognize these issues and create some “opposition” instead complaining about it but not helping create a solution. Truly, the Ol Boy SYSTEM needs to go and with EDUCATION, DEDICATION, RESOURCES, AND GOOD OLD BOYS (AND WOMAN) maybe we can rebuild a community to be desired once again. Maybe the younger generation who does make the chance for a further education will want to come back. As it is now, many leave and don’t come back. Frankfort should be something to be proud of not to run away from because of all the drama, drugs, disrespectful, un-educated, non-religious , un-just, gossip train, which simply refuses to expand its thoughts. It needs to stop being a “who” you know community and start reaching out a helping hand for our younger generation of children and families and get them help! Stop the cycle of abuse, drugs, and procreation without the means, and bring back a since of Christian Family values! Bring back the true GOOD OL BOYS!
Give people who have failed a chance again! Put an end to the drugs with education and rehabilitation instead of sending them away and throwing away the key. Help the fathers be a support to the children and help the moms and the children not have to depend on a “red taped” government which helps them not succeed and punishes them when they do. Help them phase out of benefits instead of dropping them when they have the first poverty income job which makes it impossible to have insurance, pay daycare, bills, and daily expenses without being punished for at least trying. The way it is now makes them NOT want to actively seek for jobs, when it’s not worth it in the end. On the other hand, make it mandatory for drug test when people are receiving government money. It should not be acceptable to “take” advantage of the system, which makes it a stigma for the people who “do” need it because they came into hard times. Help them get back up, not hold them where they are at. Thanks for reading. I hope it inspires just a few people to do the right thing and help with what they can to offer change!
devils advocate

Chicago, IL

#3 Jul 13, 2011
i think in the past "good ol boys" have gotten a bad rap because they were the only people who would step up to serve in positions of authority. we are now seeing many more young people get involved in government. in all likelihood frankfort will have a mayor and half the city council under 40 years old next year. hopefully this may inspire others in the community to get involved and be part of the solution rather than the problem.
POINTING FINGERS

Frankfort, IN

#4 Jul 13, 2011
People should not point fingers and shift blame. This town has not gone down hill overnight and there are many contributing factors. Economics and politics have certainly not help. It is up to each individual to do their part. Which includes voting, getting invloved,maintianing and updating their residence (pride), teaching children mannors and right and wrong,and taking risks to start new opprtunities or businesses in this town. It starts with each indiviual and then it spreads! If the community isn't willing to get better than no city elected offical can "FIX IT ALL"
oldman

Monon, IN

#5 Jul 14, 2011
that is how people should talk to each other! they should try to reason and talk about our problems. most of the good ole boys are more worried about how much money they will make on a board than to get things done! when a board is more worried about what they make than what our problems are then we are doomed. that said we the people of frankfort should now stand up against all of that is going on in frankfort!
devils advocate

Chicago, IL

#6 Jul 15, 2011
oldman wrote:
that is how people should talk to each other! they should try to reason and talk about our problems. most of the good ole boys are more worried about how much money they will make on a board than to get things done! when a board is more worried about what they make than what our problems are then we are doomed. that said we the people of frankfort should now stand up against all of that is going on in frankfort!
would someone who knows please post how much the "gold old boys" make on all the boards in our community. are they really paid enough for this guy to claim that's all they care about?
Second Guess

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Jul 15, 2011
oldman wrote:
that is how people should talk to each other! they should try to reason and talk about our problems. most of the good ole boys are more worried about how much money they will make on a board than to get things done! when a board is more worried about what they make than what our problems are then we are doomed. that said we the people of frankfort should now stand up against all of that is going on in frankfort!
This guy hasn't a clue what the hell he is talking about. I f you think these people are making a killing on a board, then you are the idiot I thought you were. On the people that are elected over time and stay in politics will be called Good Ol Boys one day as you would say.

Maybe some of you on this board should worry about yourself, I do teach my children manners and I do have pride in my residence. Some of you should maybe go clean somebody's property up for free if you are concerned. OLDMAN, you are alot better when you don't write on this board, why don't you just go back to bed?
Board member

Frankfort, IN

#8 Jul 19, 2011
I serve on a board in this community, and I can tell you, it would be hard to imagine someone doing it for the money! I actually lose money most of the time to be able to attend all of the necessary meetings because I have to take off work to do it. The compensation from serving on the board doesn't even begin to cover what I lose in wages. Of course, there will always be a bad apple that does things for the wrong reasons, but the boards and foundations in this community pay very little or nothing at all.
Truth

Carmel, IN

#9 Jul 19, 2011
The Board of Zoning Appeals, The City Plan Commission, and the Airport Authority get ZERO dollars for their service on the board. It is strictly people who are willing to serve for the betterment of their community. These are the only city boards that do not get paid.

Since: May 11

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#10 Jul 19, 2011
Second Guess wrote:
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This guy hasn't a clue what the hell he is talking about. I f you think these people are making a killing on a board, then you are the idiot I thought you were. On the people that are elected over time and stay in politics will be called Good Ol Boys one day as you would say.
Maybe some of you on this board should worry about yourself, I do teach my children manners and I do have pride in my residence. Some of you should maybe go clean somebody's property up for free if you are concerned. OLDMAN, you are alot better when you don't write on this board, why don't you just go back to bed?
I think the concept of the "good ol boy's" centers more around the backdoor politics that happen. The dump is a prime example of that. Most of the community was not interested in allowing them to expand. But the county folk saw a financial advantage for allowing it to happen. I do understand the need for extra income in these times, but when you look at what other counties are getting from their dumps, ours is pale in comparison and I am sure that weighed in on their thoughts about denial of the dump expansion. However, I truly believe that the decision was made before the community was heard. That is frustrating since we vote in people to represent us. Again, I know that sometimes we don't get all the pieces to the puzzle.

You can also see it in Frankfort. Many things are discussed and decided before the meetings actually occur. I understand that in some situations that people don't always have the full understanding of it, but I place some of that blame on not only those boards but also the media. Minutes don't always accurately reflect the whole discussion, and the media doesn't always give both sides completely. Everyone knows that there are always two sides to every coin.

I also enjoyed reading your comment about worrying about ourselves. Being plugged into boards, associations, and other community activites is one thing, but if we can't take pride in our own personal world of words and deeds, then we are no better than the "good ol boy's" stuff mentioned above.
be real

Monon, IN

#11 Jul 26, 2011
city council gets 400.00 a month! not to bad for two meetings a month!
oldman

Monon, IN

#12 Jul 26, 2011
well second guess, you are one happy person. you sound like your on a board and trying to cover how much you go ole boys make a month! ya we all know you have no clue, or is it you have your head in the sand. now dont get mad,and start saying bad words in front of you kids! and by all means keep that yard mowed.
What

United States

#13 Jul 26, 2011
I thought the idiots on this thread had left! I guess not, oldman is still posting.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#14 Jul 26, 2011
be real wrote:
city council gets 400.00 a month! not to bad for two meetings a month!
But for the ones who really care about their constituets, I would tell you that the hateful things said about them isn't worth the 400 dollars.

I think one or two of them really do care. I also believe that almost every "new to the political system person" starts out with the right intentions. Unfortunately, they find out in order to get their own "promises" accomplished, they must help others achieve certain things as well. Sometimes they might not believe in those things, even if it's within their own party, but they better tow the line. That's how I believe it works.

Thoughts???
oldman

Monon, IN

#15 Jul 26, 2011
one or two isnt enough to help us!
What

United States

#16 Jul 26, 2011
Frankfort needs the best wrote:
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But for the ones who really care about their constituets, I would tell you that the hateful things said about them isn't worth the 400 dollars.
I think one or two of them really do care. I also believe that almost every "new to the political system person" starts out with the right intentions. Unfortunately, they find out in order to get their own "promises" accomplished, they must help others achieve certain things as well. Sometimes they might not believe in those things, even if it's within their own party, but they better tow the line. That's how I believe it works.
Thoughts???
Who are the two that care? I think at every level of politics you have to help another political person in order to accomplish something you may have promised. If not, you may never get anything accomplished. Just my opinion.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#17 Jul 26, 2011
oldman wrote:
one or two isnt enough to help us!
I would agree with that statement.

But, what has the community done as a whole to let those who don't meet the expectations they said in their campagin promises know who they represent and work for???
What

United States

#18 Jul 26, 2011
What are the expectations? If you are a newly elected official and promise certain things but never get the votes you need from other members, did you fail? You didn't hold up to your promises and delivered nothing of what you said. Do your constituets then vote you out.

Again, who are the two that care?

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#19 Jul 26, 2011
What wrote:
What are the expectations? If you are a newly elected official and promise certain things but never get the votes you need from other members, did you fail? You didn't hold up to your promises and delivered nothing of what you said. Do your constituets then vote you out.
Again, who are the two that care?
You don't fail if you tell your constituets about the walls that you are running into. That's where I think the community can become more active. If your elected person representing you or your neighborhood alerts you to hitting that wall, you can rally the troops and make an appearance or two and see for yourselves what is going on.
What

United States

#20 Jul 26, 2011
Frankfort needs the best wrote:
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You don't fail if you tell your constituets about the walls that you are running into. That's where I think the community can become more active. If your elected person representing you or your neighborhood alerts you to hitting that wall, you can rally the troops and make an appearance or two and see for yourselves what is going on.
Getting the community to rally may not work. You see, I have been to council meetings and I think they all care. See, I am a member of the community just as you are, You think two care and I think seven care. So therefore I wouldn't vote them out but you on the other hand would get rid of five. So your theory may not work but it does sound good.

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