Mc Barnes to revise Police car policy.
really

United States

#51 Jun 17, 2012
Loves Coffee wrote:
Why shouldnt they be able to take home their cars? Do you realize how many officers get approached OFF DUTY at home from citizens asking advice or wanting them to help?! I see it all the time. An officer outside playing with his kids and car after car or people walking around stopping to ask this policeman (city and county) about issues. Are they getting paid for that? No. Do these people care that these officers are trying to spend quality time with their families.. no. They are expected to act like an officer on and off duty. Do any of you ever think about that?! Probably not. An officer is an officer 24/7.
Someone should tell that to Kevin OBrien! He sure doesnt abide by that idea! Or maybe it doesnt apply when you are at the Moose!
a thought

United States

#52 Jun 17, 2012
If vehicles are being replaced because of high mileage, why does it make sense to buy new ones if the officers are allowed to take them home? Wouldn't it make more sense to park them at the station so they don't accumulate mileage?

Why doesn't the city look into lease agreements like other municipalities do? In the long run it is cheaper. It's fairly easy to contact these cities to verify that.

If we didn't allow take home vehicles, couldn't the fleet be reduced by a few cars?

I see at least 4 cars that go to homes outside of the city. That doesn't make the city streets safer does it?

If the mayor lived in the city full time, the USB and elected officials live in their respective districts, along with the demands of the stupid power boys and girls wanting managers and owners of local businesses to live in the county which they serve, then why not make the police live in the city where they serve?

I know these ideas make a lot of sense and maybe they don't teach that at Butler or I U, but in the real world of saving money and level expectations, it is a perfect scenario.
Dandy

United States

#53 Jun 18, 2012
I hope they park one of their police cars in front of the Frankfort Library cause they have to call the police at least once a week or more and the Library is right beside the police station. DUH! Police cars aren't going to make that much difference It's just a Perk so the cops don't have to buy a 2nd car
Seriously

Frankfort, IN

#54 Jun 19, 2012
Dandy wrote:
I hope they park one of their police cars in front of the Frankfort Library cause they have to call the police at least once a week or more and the Library is right beside the police station. DUH! Police cars aren't going to make that much difference It's just a Perk so the cops don't have to buy a 2nd car
I was at Texas Roadhouse not long ago and to my surprise there sat a Frankfort City Police Car. Now that's ridiculous!! Don't talk about replacing cars because of high mileage when they are using them for personal use! I don't have a problem with them taking them home unless they live out of town but they shouldn't be using them for family night out. Actually I think they should live in the county limits if they are going to be a City cop and get paid with my tax money!! And the excuse that there aren't enough qualified applicants in our county is crap. Give them 6 months to move here if they want the job!
are you kidding me?

United States

#56 Jun 19, 2012
Seriously wrote:
<quoted text>I was at Texas Roadhouse not long ago and to my surprise there sat a Frankfort City Police Car. Now that's ridiculous!! Don't talk about replacing cars because of high mileage when they are using them for personal use! I don't have a problem with them taking them home unless they live out of town but they shouldn't be using them for family night out. Actually I think they should live in the county limits if they are going to be a City cop and get paid with my tax money!! And the excuse that there aren't enough qualified applicants in our county is crap. Give them 6 months to move here if they want the job!
Do you people understand that the take home car and the use there of is part of their benefits package? Do some research and you'll find that officers for Frankfort are paid way less than those of other cities of the same size and some even smaller. If you don't want them to have their cars and to use them for personal use then the city will have to step up and pay them what similar sized departments are paying their officers. Don't tell me that if at whatever fast food place most of you morons work at were to give you a car as part of your benefits that you wouldn't use that car. Get a life and gtfu.
Seriously

Frankfort, IN

#57 Jun 19, 2012
[QUOTE who="are you kidding me?"]<quoted text>
Do you people understand that the take home car and the use there of is part of their benefits package? Do some research and you'll find that officers for Frankfort are paid way less than those of other cities of the same size and some even smaller. If you don't want them to have their cars and to use them for personal use then the city will have to step up and pay them what similar sized departments are paying their officers. Don't tell me that if at whatever fast food place most of you morons work at were to give you a car as part of your benefits that you wouldn't use that car. Get a life and gtfu.[/QUOTE]

Yes but those fast food businesses are privately owned and not paid by taxpayers money. I'm not saying that our officers shouldn't be compensated...just not through a vehicle. I agree with more money and I think the city would come out ahead paying more on wages than having to purchase vehicles because they are being used for personal use and running up mileage. However, I'm sure the cost to use a city vehicle is alot cheaper for officers because then they wouldn't have to have a second vehicle, pay insurance, plates, upkeep etc. So maybe someone needs to sit down and figure it all up!
are you kidding me?

United States

#58 Jun 19, 2012
Seriously wrote:
[QUOTE who="are you kidding me?"]<quoted text>
Do you people understand that the take home car and the use there of is part of their benefits package? Do some research and you'll find that officers for Frankfort are paid way less than those of other cities of the same size and some even smaller. If you don't want them to have their cars and to use them for personal use then the city will have to step up and pay them what similar sized departments are paying their officers. Don't tell me that if at whatever fast food place most of you morons work at were to give you a car as part of your benefits that you wouldn't use that car. Get a life and gtfu. "

Yes but those fast food businesses are privately owned and not paid by taxpayers money. I'm not saying that our officers shouldn't be compensated...just not through a vehicle. I agree with more money and I think the city would come out ahead paying more on wages than having to purchase vehicles because they are being used for personal use and running up mileage. However, I'm sure the cost to use a city vehicle is alot cheaper for officers because then they wouldn't have to have a second vehicle, pay insurance, plates, upkeep etc. So maybe someone needs to sit down and figure it all up!
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I see no problem with them using the cars for personal use. They are required to put in their own gas when the vehicle is driven off duty. They pay a fee to have the while each month. The vehicles are probably better maintained when they are used as take home cars because the officer is the only one driving it so he knows he's responsible for it. When they share cars you never know who did what with it prior to your shift.
playing nice

United States

#59 Jun 19, 2012
Is what it's all about. I like that attitude.

The thing I ask is do people become police officers for the money or because of the desire to serve their communities. I bet the Wards, Danners, McCulloughs and other not mentioned will tell you its more about giving back than it is money.

I am not sure that a few bucks a paycheck warrants the miles and other issues that come up with the new policy.

Paying for gas, one would hope, should be tracked against the mileage sheet. That might give a better understanding as how the vehicles are being used after hours.

Reducing the size of the fleet should be a mandatory plan. Keep enough vehicles that you could keep 2 shifts on the streets if needed.

I believe that there could be 25000 dollars a year savings utilizing this plan.

[QUOTE who="are you kidding me?"]<quoted text>
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I see no problem with them using the cars for personal use. They are required to put in their own gas when the vehicle is driven off duty. They pay a fee to have the while each month. The vehicles are probably better maintained when they are used as take home cars because the officer is the only one driving it so he knows he's responsible for it. When they share cars you never know who did what with it prior to your shift.[/QUOTE]
roflmao

Frankfort, IN

#60 Jun 19, 2012
playing nice wrote:
Is what it's all about. I like that attitude.

The thing I ask is do people become police officers for the money or because of the desire to serve their communities. I bet the Wards, Danners, McCulloughs and other not mentioned will tell you its more about giving back than it is money.

I am not sure that a few bucks a paycheck warrants the miles and other issues that come up with the new policy.

Paying for gas, one would hope, should be tracked against the mileage sheet. That might give a better understanding as how the vehicles are being used after hours.

Reducing the size of the fleet should be a mandatory plan. Keep enough vehicles that you could keep 2 shifts on the streets if needed.

I believe that there could be 25000 dollars a year savings utilizing this plan.

[QUOTE who="are you kidding me?"]<quoted text>
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I see no problem with them using the cars for personal use. They are required to put in their own gas when the vehicle is driven off duty. They pay a fee to have the while each month. The vehicles are probably better maintained when they are used as take home cars because the officer is the only one driving it so he knows he's responsible for it. When they share cars you never know who did what with it prior to your shift. "
Because the wards and danners have given so much back. Give me a break. It's about titles and money. Plain and simple. Wards are banking damn near 250k a year ... What are they giving back? As soon as danner was told he wasn't going to be the chief anymore he was done.
Seriously

Frankfort, IN

#61 Jun 20, 2012
roflmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Because the wards and danners have given so much back. Give me a break. It's about titles and money. Plain and simple. Wards are banking damn near 250k a year ... What are they giving back? As soon as danner was told he wasn't going to be the chief anymore he was done.
I believe the conversation is about take home vehicles not titles and individuals. Please leave names out of it...always someone who has to be a downer. I'm not dogging anyone just saying that this is an issue that needs to be looked into not only for the City's benefit but the officer's too.
Seriously

Frankfort, IN

#62 Jun 20, 2012
[QUOTE who="are you kidding me?"]<quoted text>
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I see no problem with them using the cars for personal use. They are required to put in their own gas when the vehicle is driven off duty. They pay a fee to have the while each month. The vehicles are probably better maintained when they are used as take home cars because the officer is the only one driving it so he knows he's responsible for it. When they share cars you never know who did what with it prior to your shift.[/QUOTE]

I agree with what you are saying in the sense that if I was responsible for a vehicle that did not belong to me I wouldn't want someone else driving it either. I just think this issue needs to be further investigated to see what the best outcome for everyone involved is. And if the vehicle is part of the compensation then I get that but just saying that it may be better for City and Officer to look into monetary compensation as opposed to giving a car to the officer when you figure in the upkeep and the replacement cost.
Wonder Dog

Chicago, IL

#63 Jun 21, 2012
roflmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Because the wards and danners have given so much back. Give me a break. It's about titles and money. Plain and simple. Wards are banking damn near 250k a year ... What are they giving back? As soon as danner was told he wasn't going to be the chief anymore he was done.
roflmao, why don't you get your facts straight and stop running your mouth. Typical Mr. Know It All that doesn't know "jack".... Have a wonderfully blessed day!
roflmao

United States

#64 Jun 21, 2012
Wonder Dog wrote:
<quoted text>roflmao, why don't you get your facts straight and stop running your mouth. Typical Mr. Know It All that doesn't know "jack".... Have a wonderfully blessed day!
Tell me where I'm wrong.
Wonder Dog

Chicago, IL

#65 Jun 21, 2012
roflmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me where I'm wrong.
roflamo, why don't you find out when Mr. Danner filed his retirement papers and I'll guarantee it was long before the election!!!
roflmao

United States

#66 Jun 21, 2012
Wonder Dog wrote:
<quoted text>roflamo, why don't you find out when Mr. Danner filed his retirement papers and I'll guarantee it was long before the election!!!
Because he had already been informed long before the election that he was out as chief. Which is also the reason officer of the year had been looking to leave as well.
Officer Down

Elkhart, IN

#67 Jun 21, 2012
Seems pretty sad that our own supposedly dedicated Police Officers find it their duty to get on Topix and slam others when they have taken the oath to protect & serve the community. Mr Shoemaker and Mr Myers you should really find it in your hearts and souls to remember the oath of office and start doing your job instead of slamming everyone on this site. You chose this career, as a Police Officer and when you openly trash others you know its fact that karma will come back to bite you, do yourselves and the community in which you protect a favor, your job!! If your so unhappy with the politcal outlook this city has, then please refrain from participating in it.
Wonder Dog

Chicago, IL

#68 Jun 21, 2012
roflmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he had already been informed long before the election that he was out as chief. Which is also the reason officer of the year had been looking to leave as well.
Geez you still haven't got a clue? How in the world can a Chief know that he's out prior to an election? Since the new mayor is the one that determines who's in that position. Did you know something prior to the elections that the citizens of Frankfort didn't? I forgot you must be Mr. Know It All! Continue to give out false information. Have a nice day

P.S. As for "officer of the year" I would like to know where your getting that information too? ;)
blame who

Goshen, IN

#69 Jun 21, 2012
It is funny that this is the only topic that no one is pointing the finger at the mayor. Shows who is really bad mouthing him on all the other threads. He may not get on topix but he knows who they are I bet. If everyone else knows, he does, these things have a way of getting out. i am not saying we have some stupid officers, BUT !!!!!!!!!!
Wonder Dog

Chicago, IL

#70 Jun 21, 2012
blame who wrote:
It is funny that this is the only topic that no one is pointing the finger at the mayor. Shows who is really bad mouthing him on all the other threads. He may not get on topix but he knows who they are I bet. If everyone else knows, he does, these things have a way of getting out. i am not saying we have some stupid officers, BUT !!!!!!!!!!
How is the mayor being blammed? He made an excellent decision by changing the previous take home car policy.
ten zero

Elkhart, IN

#71 Jun 21, 2012
Why in the world would Chief Danner want to work for a underminded young man like McBarnes in the first place? Jeff Danner did his job as well if not better than any other chief that had been office before him, his son which chose to follow in his fathers footsteps happens to be one of the brightest officers the Frankfort Police Dept has on the force at this time. he is a dedicated officer that does not pretend to be the best but actually attempts to do his best at what he sets his mind too unlike some other officers on our force that see being a police officer gets them into more married womens bedrooms which in turn has caused many interuptions in the police depts policies and procedures book. Unable to follow orders and downright neglectful of abiding the law themselves. When we have a force of young inexperienced officers along with a chief and a young mayor that has no clue about life, we find ourselves in massive trouble. If and when trouble ever hits Frankfort, I believe sincerely you will see many young people disappearing into the crevices as they will have no clue or gonads to stand up to anyone--as we have already seen the new Chief of Police do when confronted with a drunken man jumping up and down on a squad car near his residence. What a shame to have young men that think they are above the law running a town...good luck residents.

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