Gas Prices: Have You Hit Your Mad-As-...

Gas Prices: Have You Hit Your Mad-As-Hell Breaking Point Over Them?

There are 52 comments on the Patch.com story from Aug 2, 2012, titled Gas Prices: Have You Hit Your Mad-As-Hell Breaking Point Over Them?. In it, Patch.com reports that:

"I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad." A resident called me this week to talk about local gas prices in Frankfort and Mokena.

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hold on

Fort Myers Beach, FL

#1 Aug 2, 2012
Got gas down Kentucky way for $3.23 a gallon and you can still smoke em if you get em for $5.02 a pack.
Appalled

Wilmington, IL

#2 Aug 2, 2012
Back two weeks now from a refreshing cost of living break in Tennessee.

I'm beginning to feel like Uni.....can't wait to leave.
Fred McGee Jones

Manhattan, IL

#3 Aug 3, 2012
I stopped driving.
Retards

United States

#4 Aug 3, 2012
The one accomplishment obama was successful on was getting gas to $5 a gallon like he promised. Doesn't that make you so happy!!!!!
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#5 Aug 3, 2012
I heard today, Obama's EPA just stopped Keyston pipeline again, because it will interrupt the habbiat of a beatle..... Further, China is building 1 500 mw Coal Fired Electricity plans each week. Thus far, Obamanism has forced the close of 175 coal plants here. What a guy huh?
change

Palatine, IL

#6 Aug 3, 2012
I love high gas prices. Keep them going less losers who cant afford it off the streets. The same people who stop paying their mortgage. Losers!
Manhattan Resident

Manhattan, IL

#7 Aug 3, 2012
Anyone that can not see what Obama is doing is an idiot. How can you NOT understand he is trying to cripple the country financially?
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#8 Aug 3, 2012
Appalled wrote:
Back two weeks now from a refreshing cost of living break in Tennessee.
I'm beginning to feel like Uni.....can't wait to leave.
You and I could be Neighbors! If you can read this sign, you're within range! LOL! Barry has done such a wonderful job transforming the country into something he envisioned. Namely a ghetto. Thanks Mr. Sotero! There sure are a lot of Zero haters on this thread. I am actually getting a small amount of confidence he will lose to The Romster.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#9 Aug 4, 2012
Yep... People are wakeing up for sure!

The Great Silent Majority returns!
John Sanchez

Naperville, IL

#10 Aug 4, 2012
You folks really need to get a clue. To suppose that Obama, or any other individual has the power to single-handedly influence fuel prices is naive beyond measurement. Carping about Obama blocking the Keystone XL Pipeline is similarly empty-headed, because construction of that pipeline is well under way except in those few areas that will require rerouting along with the necessary environmental impact studies and acquisition of right of way.

Do you know why the Keystone XL Pipeline is needed by the oil companies? Do you suppose that it is for America to reap the benefits of Canadian tar sands petroleum? Guess again. America already imports Canadian tar sands petroleum to refineries in the Midwest that are refining that product for consumption on the American market. The Keystone XL Pipeline is intended to transport that resource to the Gulf Coast to be refined, and then exported to China and India. That's why they still "need" the pipeline despite reduced petroleum consumption in the United States. It is no coincidence that America's number one manufactured export is refined petroleum products.

The consumption of propaganda by gullible tools is more important, and profitable, to Big Oil than is the consumption of petroleum by American drivers. It's how they get the rubes to subsidize their infrastructure and tolerate the pollution of air, ground water and other resources for the sake of another drop of petroleum fuel.

Petroleum has been an important source of energy for only a little more than one hundred fifty years. For the hundred thousand years or so before that, mankind depended on alternatives like water power, wind and solar to get the energy that they needed. We still have water power, wind and solar today with much more efficient technologies to reap them. The only thing standing in the way of freeing ourselves from a slavish devotion to a filthy, overpriced, and diminishing resource like petroleum is our own greed, laziness and gullibility.
John Sanchez

Naperville, IL

#11 Aug 4, 2012
You must also realize that there are high value and low value uses of petroleum. Its use as a surface transportation fuel is a low value use attended by many other disadvantages like pollution that is difficult and expensive to ameliorate. Have you had your catalytic converter replaced? Pricey, ain't it?

High value uses of petroleum are in the production of plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals and lubricants, among other products. The value of those products can only go higher as petroleum, already a diminishing commodity, becomes rarer and more expensive. It would behoove us to reserve what petroleum we can for the high value uses.

Of course, the American Petroleum Institute would disagree with that assertion, holding, as they do, that we have plenty of oil to last well into the future. What they believe though, is that after one hundred fifty years of pumping crude, and selling it for little more than the value of the dirt or sand that it rose from, they finally have a situation where it's a seller's market, and by god, they're going to squeeze every penny out of it if it harelips everybody on Bear Creek; and if it kills you, they see that as an acceptable price to pay.
John Sanchez

Naperville, IL

#12 Aug 4, 2012
By the way, the president of the American Petroleum Institute, Jack Gerard, a Mormon, is being talked up as Mitt Romney's chief of staff. That's in case you were wondering about Romney's drill baby, drill sort of energy policies. You know, policies like the ones Dick Cheney saw as justification to prosecute a war in Iraq, where China signed the first petroleum contracts.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#13 Aug 4, 2012
No,it is you Mr. Sanchez who needs the clue. By shutting down coal fired plants (we have an abundance of coal in the US) Zero is gutting the ability to feed our energy needs in the future.
Forget about solar or wind they don't even come close to providing enough power for our economy.
By depriving us of our rightful, lawful, abundant, energy resources Zero is actually driving this country into a depression and dependance upon foreign sources more than ever. This is his plan, to degrade the US to the point we are no longer the preeminent leader of the free world.
We have enough oil on US soil to feed ourselves yet Zero will not approve the permits or allow drilling for it? Why? I ask you.
The world looks to us with hope they may someday become as great as we. Zero wants to change that. He does not believe in American exceptionalism. Apparently you don't either. Well I do. It is the America I grew up with. It is slowly being taken away in places like Chicago, New York, and LA. Go to Idaho, Mr. Sanchez and you will see America as it once was. Not a filthy outlaw, greedy, entitled state, but a nation where people want to help each other succeed. Who are you to tell me I can't drive my car through raising gas prices to the point where I can't? The only promise Zero has kept was toraise gas to $5 a gallon. NOICE!

Here's a little clip for ya Mr. Sanchz.

&fe ature=related
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#14 Aug 4, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
You must also realize that there are high value and low value uses of petroleum. Its use as a surface transportation fuel is a low value use attended by many other disadvantages like pollution that is difficult and expensive to ameliorate. Have you had your catalytic converter replaced? Pricey, ain't it?
High value uses of petroleum are in the production of plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals and lubricants, among other products. The value of those products can only go higher as petroleum, already a diminishing commodity, becomes rarer and more expensive. It would behoove us to reserve what petroleum we can for the high value uses.
Of course, the American Petroleum Institute would disagree with that assertion, holding, as they do, that we have plenty of oil to last well into the future. What they believe though, is that after one hundred fifty years of pumping crude, and selling it for little more than the value of the dirt or sand that it rose from, they finally have a situation where it's a seller's market, and by god, they're going to squeeze every penny out of it if it harelips everybody on Bear Creek; and if it kills you, they see that as an acceptable price to pay.
Let them drill and this price will cratershot. Do you not understand the law of supply and demand?
Manhattan Resident

Manhattan, IL

#15 Aug 4, 2012
One of my favorite Liberal quotes "Who needs oil? I ride the bus"!

Yep...
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#16 Aug 4, 2012
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny.... First, our number one need is "jobs", and Keystone can provide 100's if not 1,000's. This pipeline has had over 5 years of enviromental impact studies, the most in US history. The very land it cross's already has 25,000 miles of criss cross pipeline. Stopping it is solely about protecting Obamanism, not anything else. Did I really need to tell you this? Really?

Take off your anti-big-oil tin foil hat, and use some common sense. Getting more oil, and faster, to the world market holds pricing down. Less oil, and longer durations, push's prices up. Write that down, you keep forgeting that.

IMO, just like Kennedy set the vision for the Moon landing (which ended up putting us as the #1 technology leader in the world), we need a POTUS who can set a vision for America to be "the" energy provider, and let us crush the enemys we have economically, that we are forced to buy our oil from today.

John, life is a chess game, so put those checkers away, and start using your common sense.
John Sanchez

Naperville, IL

#17 Aug 4, 2012
Unincorporated wrote:
No,it is you Mr. Sanchez who needs the clue. By shutting down coal fired plants (we have an abundance of coal in the US) Zero is gutting the ability to feed our energy needs in the future.
Forget about solar or wind they don't even come close to providing enough power for our economy.
By depriving us of our rightful, lawful, abundant, energy resources Zero is actually driving this country into a depression and dependance upon foreign sources more than ever. This is his plan, to degrade the US to the point we are no longer the preeminent leader of the free world.
We have enough oil on US soil to feed ourselves yet Zero will not approve the permits or allow drilling for it? Why? I ask you.
The world looks to us with hope they may someday become as great as we. Zero wants to change that. He does not believe in American exceptionalism. Apparently you don't either. Well I do. It is the America I grew up with. It is slowly being taken away in places like Chicago, New York, and LA. Go to Idaho, Mr. Sanchez and you will see America as it once was. Not a filthy outlaw, greedy, entitled state, but a nation where people want to help each other succeed. Who are you to tell me I can't drive my car through raising gas prices to the point where I can't? The only promise Zero has kept was toraise gas to $5 a gallon. NOICE!
Here's a little clip for ya Mr. Sanchz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BqHL404zhcUXX&feature=rel ated
Coal, eh? It's a bad idea, since the maximum sustainable level of carbon dioxide gas in the atmosphere is generally accepted to be 315 parts per million, which we already exceed. That's not even considering the other pollutants that unscrubbed (it is very expensive to scrub emissions) coal plant emissions contain, like lead and mercury. I like your choice of a video to link, as it illustrates the mindset of the propaganda consumers on the right when they revile "cap and trade" without regard to the fact that it was the brainchild of C. Boyden Gray, a lawyer for the Reagan and Bush administrations back in the '80's when they called it "emissions trading".

As to drilling, your argument is so full of holes that it couldn't suitably filter elephants out of a stream of hydrogen gas. Demand for petroleum in the United States is falling due to reduced economic activity with this liquidity crisis that we have been dealing with in the past several years. U.S. refineries have excess capacity to provide the United States with refined product.

Increased drilling will accomplish what? Don't know? I'll tell you what it is accomplishing. It is allowing vertically integrated oil companies to use that excess refining capacity to produce refined petroleum product for export. Is that doing you a lot of good? I don't guess so unless you own a train load of oil stocks or a couple of wells. It's doing the oil companies a lot of good, if by "good" one means profits.

The truth is America is not thirsty for petroleum fuels right now, but too many Americans are hungry for more API propaganda, because of some misplaced ideal of what America should be, like Idaho for instance. Go visit Idaho. It isn't that different from the rest of the country. There are even Democrats there, which may be counter to your beliefs and desires.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#18 Aug 4, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
<quoted text>
Coal, eh? It's a bad idea, since the maximum sustainable level of carbon dioxide gas in the atmosphere is generally accepted to be 315 parts per million, which we already exceed. That's not even considering the other pollutants that unscrubbed (it is very expensive to scrub emissions) coal plant emissions contain, like lead and mercury. I like your choice of a video to link, as it illustrates the mindset of the propaganda consumers on the right when they revile "cap and trade" without regard to the fact that it was the brainchild of C. Boyden Gray, a lawyer for the Reagan and Bush administrations back in the '80's when they called it "emissions trading".
As to drilling, your argument is so full of holes that it couldn't suitably filter elephants out of a stream of hydrogen gas. Demand for petroleum in the United States is falling due to reduced economic activity with this liquidity crisis that we have been dealing with in the past several years. U.S. refineries have excess capacity to provide the United States with refined product.
Increased drilling will accomplish what? Don't know? I'll tell you what it is accomplishing. It is allowing vertically integrated oil companies to use that excess refining capacity to produce refined petroleum product for export. Is that doing you a lot of good? I don't guess so unless you own a train load of oil stocks or a couple of wells. It's doing the oil companies a lot of good, if by "good" one means profits.
The truth is America is not thirsty for petroleum fuels right now, but too many Americans are hungry for more API propaganda, because of some misplaced ideal of what America should be, like Idaho for instance. Go visit Idaho. It isn't that different from the rest of the country. There are even Democrats there, which may be counter to your beliefs and desires.
While India pollutes to the choking point and China buys up the world petroleum supply chain. Ever see Bejing on a bad pollution day? They can't either! LOL! Exempt the Indian and Chinese economies and let them run us over. We don't deserve to be well off. Just ask Zero. Your head is in your can. You should move to NYC or somewhere likewise. Oh, wait! You are already in Chicago. Forget it.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#19 Aug 4, 2012
Johnny, if you really want to play with Carbon Dioxide numbers as your logic, try subtracting the out put of every forest fire, plaines fire, we have had since 2000. Then subtract the volcanic eruptions world wide, you know the ones we rerouted aricraft from. My real point here, is life goes on. Sure, technology measurements can go out 9 digits to the right of the decimal point, but who is the idiot enforcing new regulations at that level? We have "clean" water, and "clean" air today. How clean we continue to make it has a devastating impact on society too you know. We need common sense approaches today. You want to do good? Go to China & India with your arguements and numbers. That's where it will do good. Common sense, say's we are plenty good here in America. Yes, because of common sense EPA enforcement we are. So stop with the sky is falling nonsense in America....
John Sanchez

Naperville, IL

#20 Aug 4, 2012
I'd like to thank Incorporated and Neighbor for validating my concerns regarding their intellectual development by confirming their level of cluelessness. It seems that both of them believe that if volcanoes and wild fires and China and India are going to pollute the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, we are missing an opportunity unless we join in the fun.

They seem to be concerned with the inconveniences to their lifestyle that measures to cope with atmospheric carbon dioxide imposes. They see it as an unaffordable cost to society to save itself, and posit that sensible EPA regulation will keep things OK here in America. Maybe so, if they can talk carbon dioxide gas into respecting our borders. Failing that, these may be the most profoundly stupid arguments I have yet seen on the subject.

I'll tell you what boys, pollution regulation will unarguably be an inconvenience to your lifestyle, and the lack of it will actually enhance your deathstyle. OK, maybe not yours, but the next generation or the one after. This is how seriously you take your stewardship of the planet. You propose to selfishly use it up before someone else does. It is a very Republican attitude.

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