Shenandoah defendants: Dismiss case

Shenandoah defendants: Dismiss case

There are 56 comments on the The Morning Call story from Nov 14, 2008, titled Shenandoah defendants: Dismiss case. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Luis Ramirez was fatally beaten on July 12, 2008. Walsh Colin Walsh and Brandon J. Piekarsky: third-degree murder, voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, ethnic intimidation and related offenses.

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The question no one asks

AOL

#63 Nov 14, 2008
legal or illegal is trivial in this matter. No one cares to ask what Senor ramirez was doing in a park past midnight with the 12 year old sister of his fiance. Was he there to give her a push on a swing so late at night? Shouldn't Senor Ramirez have been at home looking after his two children. I'll leave to your imagination what 25 year old men take 12 year old girls to parks for after midnight but I am guessing it isn't to make sure she gets a good push start on the swings. This whole incident sprung from one of the three white males asking the girl what she was doing out so late. Senor Ramirez then escalated the matter by getting in one of the three white guys faces spewing something in spanish. The 12 year old girl herself admitted Senor Ramirez had an opportunity to leave before it turned violent but instead he chose to stay and escalate the incident. From what I have read about this incident it seems to me Senor Ramirez bears as much responsibility for this incident as the three accused. Ask yourselves this question: Who would you prefer living next to you? A national honor society student who once got into a fight while drunk or a 25 year old man who breaks immigration laws, fathers numerous children out of wedlock and takes 12 year old girls to parks after midnight? Would you want your 12 year old daughter playing in front of Senor Ramirez's house?
yagster

United States

#64 Nov 15, 2008
The question no one asks wrote:
legal or illegal is trivial in this matter. No one cares to ask what Senor ramirez was doing in a park past midnight with the 12 year old sister of his fiance. Was he there to give her a push on a swing so late at night? Shouldn't Senor Ramirez have been at home looking after his two children. I'll leave to your imagination what 25 year old men take 12 year old girls to parks for after midnight but I am guessing it isn't to make sure she gets a good push start on the swings. This whole incident sprung from one of the three white males asking the girl what she was doing out so late. Senor Ramirez then escalated the matter by getting in one of the three white guys faces spewing something in spanish. The 12 year old girl herself admitted Senor Ramirez had an opportunity to leave before it turned violent but instead he chose to stay and escalate the incident. From what I have read about this incident it seems to me Senor Ramirez bears as much responsibility for this incident as the three accused. Ask yourselves this question: Who would you prefer living next to you? A national honor society student who once got into a fight while drunk or a 25 year old man who breaks immigration laws, fathers numerous children out of wedlock and takes 12 year old girls to parks after midnight? Would you want your 12 year old daughter playing in front of Senor Ramirez's house?

Maybe he was checking out the Taco Bell late night menu. El Loco Illegals like to think outside the bun!!!
tears

Emmaus, PA

#65 Nov 15, 2008
The question no one asks wrote:
legal or illegal is trivial in this matter. No one cares to ask what Senor ramirez was doing in a park past midnight with the 12 year old sister of his fiance. Was he there to give her a push on a swing so late at night? Shouldn't Senor Ramirez have been at home looking after his two children. I'll leave to your imagination what 25 year old men take 12 year old girls to parks for after midnight but I am guessing it isn't to make sure she gets a good push start on the swings. This whole incident sprung from one of the three white males asking the girl what she was doing out so late. Senor Ramirez then escalated the matter by getting in one of the three white guys faces spewing something in spanish. The 12 year old girl herself admitted Senor Ramirez had an opportunity to leave before it turned violent but instead he chose to stay and escalate the incident. From what I have read about this incident it seems to me Senor Ramirez bears as much responsibility for this incident as the three accused. Ask yourselves this question: Who would you prefer living next to you? A national honor society student who once got into a fight while drunk or a 25 year old man who breaks immigration laws, fathers numerous children out of wedlock and takes 12 year old girls to parks after midnight? Would you want your 12 year old daughter playing in front of Senor Ramirez's house?
Very good post...Before the do-gooders put these kids away they better think twice.This had nothing to do with race.Only a fugitive want to be tough guy running off at the mouth because he has rights.When are the legal people from his race going to step up and assist in fixing this problem.
Barky von Schnauzer

Blue Bell, PA

#66 Nov 15, 2008
With so much of the hate showing up in some of these comments, we really don't have to fear terrorists from another country attacking us. There are enough terrorists right here, who condone gang beatings, killing someone who might be different than yourself,or who thinks differently, etc. etc.
Very sad.
Jose

Philadelphia, PA

#67 Nov 17, 2008
goman wrote:
every other person from shendoor is a archie bunker...the town has been full of hate for years....they love to fight....man died....these 3 crybabies not think they should just get slap on wrist....after all he was just a mexican....they were taught all this hatred from their parents....white people up there are saying "what is the big deal"....state prison for all 3...nice
You have alot of nerve!!!!! Not all the people there are Archie Bunkers!!!!!!!
That guy who got killed stabbed at least two people and he got away with it- Why is that???????? Now everyone is sooooo concerned about him. What about the other people he hurt??????
Jose

Philadelphia, PA

#68 Nov 17, 2008
tears wrote:
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Very good post...Before the do-gooders put these kids away they better think twice.This had nothing to do with race.Only a fugitive want to be tough guy running off at the mouth because he has rights.When are the legal people from his race going to step up and assist in fixing this problem.
He was a bad fugitive.....
Hoofty

United States

#69 Nov 17, 2008
tears wrote:
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Very good post...Before the do-gooders put these kids away they better think twice.This had nothing to do with race.Only a fugitive want to be tough guy running off at the mouth because he has rights.When are the legal people from his race going to step up and assist in fixing this problem.
So I guess that means someone should die then?

My best friend's daughter is 13 and I love her to death. Perhaps if I took her to a movie and we walked home, you would think the same thing?

What a pathetic train of thought you people have. Disgusting and pathetic
Hoofty

United States

#70 Nov 17, 2008
The question no one asks wrote:
legal or illegal is trivial in this matter. No one cares to ask what Senor ramirez was doing in a park past midnight with the 12 year old sister of his fiance. Was he there to give her a push on a swing so late at night? Shouldn't Senor Ramirez have been at home looking after his two children. I'll leave to your imagination what 25 year old men take 12 year old girls to parks for after midnight but I am guessing it isn't to make sure she gets a good push start on the swings. This whole incident sprung from one of the three white males asking the girl what she was doing out so late. Senor Ramirez then escalated the matter by getting in one of the three white guys faces spewing something in spanish. The 12 year old girl herself admitted Senor Ramirez had an opportunity to leave before it turned violent but instead he chose to stay and escalate the incident. From what I have read about this incident it seems to me Senor Ramirez bears as much responsibility for this incident as the three accused. Ask yourselves this question: Who would you prefer living next to you? A national honor society student who once got into a fight while drunk or a 25 year old man who breaks immigration laws, fathers numerous children out of wedlock and takes 12 year old girls to parks after midnight? Would you want your 12 year old daughter playing in front of Senor Ramirez's house?
Nobody asks, because it is IRRELEVANT. Do you know the reason why? Perhaps she was someplace that she wasn't supposed to be and he went and got her. Perhaps she was at a friend's house and didn't want to walk home alone. Perhaps they cut through the park as a short-cut. Perhaps she had questions about life and wanted to talk. To suggest otherwise is being a an ignorant pig.

What good is a National Honor Society member if he has NO COMMON SENSE? Why would I want an honor roll student playing in front of my house that has an UNCONTROLLABLE TEMPER? Why would I tempt this person with my family when they can't tell WRITE FROM WRONG?

Make it as racist as you want, but the simple fact of the matter was that it was 3-on-1 and they killed a man. Legal or illegal, they killed a man. Would you say the same thing if they killed a white man? You probably wouldn't even comment.

As far as having children out of wedlock, that stretches across all races. I guess no one is allowed to pass in front of your home?
Law Abiding Beer Drinker

AOL

#71 Nov 17, 2008
Hoofty wrote:
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Nobody asks, because it is IRRELEVANT. Do you know the reason why? Perhaps she was someplace that she wasn't supposed to be and he went and got her. Perhaps she was at a friend's house and didn't want to walk home alone. Perhaps they cut through the park as a short-cut. Perhaps she had questions about life and wanted to talk. To suggest otherwise is being a an ignorant pig.
What good is a National Honor Society member if he has NO COMMON SENSE? Why would I want an honor roll student playing in front of my house that has an UNCONTROLLABLE TEMPER? Why would I tempt this person with my family when they can't tell WRITE FROM WRONG?
Make it as racist as you want, but the simple fact of the matter was that it was 3-on-1 and they killed a man. Legal or illegal, they killed a man. Would you say the same thing if they killed a white man? You probably wouldn't even comment.
As far as having children out of wedlock, that stretches across all races. I guess no one is allowed to pass in front of your home?
I think you mean "right from wrong." Apparently you can't tell the difference.

Since: Feb 07

Near Hazleton

#72 May 13, 2009
Hoofty wrote:
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So I guess that means someone should die then?
My best friend's daughter is 13 and I love her to death. Perhaps if I took her to a movie and we walked home, you would think the same thing?
What a pathetic train of thought you people have. Disgusting and pathetic
Actually, the girl is 15, and she was 14 when she started having sex with the illegal alien criminal. She testified to this on the stand on the first day of the trial. She is Dillman's half sister, the very same half-sister Dillman tried to run over in early August when the rumors about the 15-yr-old's pregnancy came out. Also testified to on the stand: the 15-yr-old said that she had told her mother she was staying at "Hannah's house" that night, then went to meet Ramirez, who was hiding out of sight in the park. The boys came across the girl BEFORE RAMIREZ came out of the park. One boy asked her if it was too late for her to be out. A few moments later, she told Ramirez what the boys had said to her, and RAMIREZ went after the boys.

“I get to see an Angel everyday”

Since: Dec 08

Allentown, PA

#73 May 13, 2009
corhanem wrote:
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Actually, the girl is 15, and she was 14 when she started having sex with the illegal alien criminal. She testified to this on the stand on the first day of the trial. She is Dillman's half sister, the very same half-sister Dillman tried to run over in early August when the rumors about the 15-yr-old's pregnancy came out. Also testified to on the stand: the 15-yr-old said that she had told her mother she was staying at "Hannah's house" that night, then went to meet Ramirez, who was hiding out of sight in the park. The boys came across the girl BEFORE RAMIREZ came out of the park. One boy asked her if it was too late for her to be out. A few moments later, she told Ramirez what the boys had said to her, and RAMIREZ went after the boys.
Was she having sex with him that night when the fight was about to start, right there in the park?

The words, "you're out too late" sound nice and harmless. Is that exactly what was said? Is that exactly how it was said?

If someone said something ugly or disrespectful to my 13 year old niece I would be in their face too.

Back to the facts....

Did these boys know he was an "illegal immigrant" before the attack?

Did these boys know that Ramirez was sexually involved before the fight?

It was 3 on 1, period. What a bunch candyass pansies...

fatboy2

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#74 May 13, 2009
Not exactly true. The boys were walking away and Ramirez hit the smallest boy in the back of the head and Walsh turned around and punched him in the head while Garcia punched Walsh. There were 12 people who listned to the whole scenario and came up with a verdict. 11 wanted a total acquital
Hoofty wrote:
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Was she having sex with him that night when the fight was about to start, right there in the park?
The words, "you're out too late" sound nice and harmless. Is that exactly what was said? Is that exactly how it was said?
If someone said something ugly or disrespectful to my 13 year old niece I would be in their face too.
Back to the facts....
Did these boys know he was an "illegal immigrant" before the attack?
Did these boys know that Ramirez was sexually involved before the fight?
It was 3 on 1, period. What a bunch candyass pansies...

Since: Feb 07

Near Hazleton

#75 May 13, 2009
Hoofty wrote:
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Was she having sex with him that night when the fight was about to start, right there in the park?
The words, "you're out too late" sound nice and harmless. Is that exactly what was said? Is that exactly how it was said?
If someone said something ugly or disrespectful to my 13 year old niece I would be in their face too.
Back to the facts....
Did these boys know he was an "illegal immigrant" before the attack?
Did these boys know that Ramirez was sexually involved before the fight?
It was 3 on 1, period. What a bunch candyass pansies...
No that's not exactly what was said. This is the exact quote "Isn't it a little late for you to be out?"
That better for you?
How is telling a schoolmate it's a little late to be out "disrespectful?"
Doesn't matter if they knew his legal status, he attacked them three times.
Doesn't matter if they knew he was raping a little girl, he attacked them three times.
It was 3 walking away, and one punching a kid in the back of the head 5 times, while waiting for his buds to bring a gun.

“I get to see an Angel everyday”

Since: Dec 08

Allentown, PA

#76 May 14, 2009
corhanem wrote:
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No that's not exactly what was said. This is the exact quote "Isn't it a little late for you to be out?"
That better for you?
How is telling a schoolmate it's a little late to be out "disrespectful?"
Doesn't matter if they knew his legal status, he attacked them three times.
Doesn't matter if they knew he was raping a little girl, he attacked them three times.
It was 3 walking away, and one punching a kid in the back of the head 5 times, while waiting for his buds to bring a gun.
If she's 14/15 and they are seniors, well seniors don't usually know or hang out with Freshman/8th grade students.

Are you actually going to tell me that 3 drunk boys, one who was looking for a fight earlier in the evening, are very concerned with her well-being?

If this had been 3 Mexicans attacking 1 white kid, and the Mexicans were acquitted, there would be hellll to pay, period.

I guess the blindfold has come off of lady justice.

fatboy2

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#77 May 14, 2009
That isn't true. When have white people rallied around a pedophile just because he was white? It doesn't happen
Hoofty wrote:
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If she's 14/15 and they are seniors, well seniors don't usually know or hang out with Freshman/8th grade students.
Are you actually going to tell me that 3 drunk boys, one who was looking for a fight earlier in the evening, are very concerned with her well-being?
If this had been 3 Mexicans attacking 1 white kid, and the Mexicans were acquitted, there would be hellll to pay, period.
I guess the blindfold has come off of lady justice.

Since: Feb 07

Near Hazleton

#78 May 14, 2009
Hoofty wrote:
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If she's 14/15 and they are seniors, well seniors don't usually know or hang out with Freshman/8th grade students.
Are you actually going to tell me that 3 drunk boys, one who was looking for a fight earlier in the evening, are very concerned with her well-being?
If this had been 3 Mexicans attacking 1 white kid, and the Mexicans were acquitted, there would be hellll to pay, period.
I guess the blindfold has come off of lady justice.
No, I never said they were defending the girl. I said it was NOT DISRESPECTFUL to ask her if she was out too late. DUH. Try reading the words and not listen to the voices in your head for a couple minutes.

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