Shenandoah defendants: Dismiss case

There are 20 comments on the Nov 14, 2008, The Morning Call story titled Shenandoah defendants: Dismiss case. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Luis Ramirez was fatally beaten on July 12, 2008. Walsh Colin Walsh and Brandon J. Piekarsky: third-degree murder, voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, ethnic intimidation and related offenses.

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RESIDENT

Unityville, PA

#1 Nov 14, 2008
It's Schuylkill County, don't be surprised if they all walk scott-free and are in school soon. Maybe in time for the holidays.

“DIRTY BIRDY”

Since: Feb 07

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#3 Nov 14, 2008
yagster wrote:
Case dismissed!!! The ILLEGAL alien should've stayed in his own country.
Your ancestors should have too!!!!
concerned

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Nov 14, 2008
Let's forget the race of either party. Why don't you focus on the fact that it was a 3 on 1 fight, the victim never had a chance, and these 3 agressive teenagers killed a man. They need to pay for what they have done regardless of the reason. I don't understand how children could have so much anger to kill, for whatever reason. These children and their families need to do some real soul searching. Do we really want them walking our streets. They should be put away for a long time.
Angela

Hazleton, PA

#5 Nov 14, 2008
These boys beat Luis up for no reason. If Luis would not have died, you know damn straight these boys would be bragging how they jumped someone. No matter how drunk you were you still did the crime. Man up and deal with your Consequences.
no-illegals

Allentown, PA

#8 Nov 14, 2008
MICHELLE D wrote:
<quoted text> Your ancestors should have too!!!!
My ancestors didn't come here illegally !!
Hoofty

United States

#11 Nov 14, 2008
This is a standard defense tactic. Neither side is truly expecting the judge to throw the trial out.

Justice will be served.
BE HAPPY

Novato, CA

#13 Nov 14, 2008
Send them to jail for Life.
Please

United States

#16 Nov 14, 2008
I have to say, these kids should be put in jail, but I am appalled that the group is there for Mexican Civil Rights. Wasn't this guy illegal and shouldn't have any rights within out country! Like I said they were wrong and should serve jail time for this brutal attack, but I am so sick of all these groups fighting for people that are not legal in this country.

Since: Oct 08

Nazareth, PA

#18 Nov 14, 2008
Now I'am not against anyone who wants to become a law abiding citizen.
someone who cares

Leonia, NJ

#19 Nov 14, 2008
I love how everyone is saying that if he wasn't illegal he would still be alive? I guess that means those kids asked for his green card before they beat him to death? I do agree that he was illegal and shouldn't have been, but that doesn't make his life less then others. He is a human being for God sake! And for those who think that what those kids did was right, you should be locked up too.
ScrewJack

Santa Ana, CA

#22 Nov 14, 2008
Amazing isn't it. What ever happened to compassion for fellow human beings?
Asking to dismiss the case is a tactic that all lawyers use in criminal/civic trials.
someone who cares wrote:
I love how everyone is saying that if he wasn't illegal he would still be alive? I guess that means those kids asked for his green card before they beat him to death? I do agree that he was illegal and shouldn't have been, but that doesn't make his life less then others. He is a human being for God sake! And for those who think that what those kids did was right, you should be locked up too.
Mazikeen

Philadelphia, PA

#23 Nov 14, 2008
MICHELLE D wrote:
<quoted text> Your ancestors should have too!!!!
why is that? Although, I don't agree with this person that one deserves death when breaking the law, you suggestion is brought into question here. Do you say that as to prevent this person from being here, or do you honestly think their ancestors came here illegally?
Mazikeen

Philadelphia, PA

#24 Nov 14, 2008
Hoofty wrote:
This is a standard defense tactic. Neither side is truly expecting the judge to throw the trial out.
Justice will be served.
.

I believe you are right. And to further that, if they had a lack of evidence, the judge wouldnt allow this to proceed and the prosecutor would have made a deal with these kids already.
Claire

Harrisburg, PA

#25 Nov 14, 2008
That's the difference between the ancestors of yester-year and the ones of today.

MY ancestors came here from Southwest England and Wales to mine coal. They came here to WORK. NOT breed anchor babies and get on welfare, deal drugs and live off the taxpayers.
MICHELLE D wrote:
<quoted text> Your ancestors should have too!!!!
Mazikeen

Philadelphia, PA

#30 Nov 14, 2008
ROSADODOG wrote:
<quoted text> HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Check records. It's easy.. Most didnt come illegally.. we opened the boarders too any and all. We have since set up application processes and are now more restricted in who we allow into our boarder, for obvious security reasons. Either way, the ancestors are legal, and Illegal is Illegal. And those who commit this crime should be deported without the possibility of ever becoming legal citizens.
WHAT

Scranton, PA

#32 Nov 14, 2008
Just curious how Brandon Piekarsky was 16 only four months ago, but now he's 18. And Colin's only 17, and Derrick is 18.

I didn't even need to read the rest of this story. If you can't get the first few simple facts correct, how can we trust that the rest is correct?
Read the Facts

Pottsville, PA

#34 Nov 14, 2008
zumi

United States

#35 Nov 14, 2008
I STRONGLY BELEIVE IF THE GOVERNMENT ENACTED AND FOLLOWED THRU WITH IMMIGRATION LAW, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, I HAVE A WIFE AND 3 STEP-CHILDREN I HAD BROUGHT HERE FROM CENTRAL AMERICA AND I HAD TO GO THROUGH ALL THE IMMIGRATION PAPERWORK AND PAY THE FEES, ALL THE ILLEGALS NEED TO DO THE SAME, NO FREE TICKETS, FOLLOW THE CORRECT PATH TO GAIN RESIDENCY OR CITIZEN STATUS.
Joe Thompson

Williamstown, NJ

#36 Nov 14, 2008
Mazikeen wrote:
<quoted text>
Check records. It's easy.. Most didnt come illegally.. we opened the boarders too any and all. We have since set up application processes and are now more restricted in who we allow into our boarder, for obvious security reasons. Either way, the ancestors are legal, and Illegal is Illegal. And those who commit this crime should be deported without the possibility of ever becoming legal citizens.
This is irrelevant; if you are an illegal Immigrant you should be jailed for 30 days. After the 30 days if you haven't made arrangements to travel outside of the US borders than you should be brought to the edge of the water and thrown in. If you turn around and start swimming back to shore you will be shot. If while you are here you are beaten to death the people who are responsible should be tried and punished the same as if they killed a citizen. Americans are held to a higher standard, a standard that has been defended by are armed forces and people have died for this standard to be upheld. The scumbags that committed this crime should be sent away for the remainder of their functional lives. If after their 97th birthday they want to go home so be it. These kids are scum and no longer deserve the opportunity to live outside of a secured Penitentiary. To kill a person with your hands is violence of another world. That can not be understood by rational humans. I would say it borders on animalistic but animals kill for a reason
Mazikeen

Philadelphia, PA

#37 Nov 14, 2008
Joe Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
This is irrelevant; if you are an illegal Immigrant you should be jailed for 30 days. After the 30 days if you haven't made arrangements to travel outside of the US borders than you should be brought to the edge of the water and thrown in. If you turn around and start swimming back to shore you will be shot. If while you are here you are beaten to death the people who are responsible should be tried and punished the same as if they killed a citizen. Americans are held to a higher standard, a standard that has been defended by are armed forces and people have died for this standard to be upheld. The scumbags that committed this crime should be sent away for the remainder of their functional lives. If after their 97th birthday they want to go home so be it. These kids are scum and no longer deserve the opportunity to live outside of a secured Penitentiary. To kill a person with your hands is violence of another world. That can not be understood by rational humans. I would say it borders on animalistic but animals kill for a reason
ummm.. what the heck are you talking about.. have you read my post? have you seen what i replied to.. Your comment makes sense, but it doesnt make sense as a reply to my comment. I'd suggest rereading the entire thing, and then ranting.

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