Why Queen Cleopatra was definitely no...

Why Queen Cleopatra was definitely not Black

There are 9968 comments on the The Westside Gazette story from Dec 14, 2005, titled Why Queen Cleopatra was definitely not Black. In it, The Westside Gazette reports that:

Watching a local television program recently, I heard Spike Lee express his belief that Queen Cleopatra of Egypt was Black.

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Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10484 Feb 12, 2013
(second part of reply to roland)

Romans did not base their culture - whether in whole or most of it - on Greek culture. It was a combination of Latin and Etruscan in the beginning and for several centuries, and later absorbed influences from other cultures, Greeks included. So it was not BASED on Greek culture. But somewhere around the time it became an Empire, Greek culture was indeed highly respected. There was in particular one emperor (forgot who) who knew Greek culture very well and spoke and read Greek fluently.
The same thing goes for your oversimplification about northern Europe which did NOT "base" most of its culture on the Romans. They were subjected to Roman influence in differing degrees, that's all.
And so on. You can see these sweeping generalizations of yours don't stand the test of a little bit of education.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10485 Feb 12, 2013
This shows to what length some people will go just to make someone shut up whose opinion disagrees.

I replied to this post by "roland" but had to cut its last part off as it was too long. By the time I sent the second part and it appeared in the forum, I saw my first part posted just above it. It was already posted. One moment after, however, sudddenly it wasn't there anymore. It had just disappeared and it is clear to me it was deleted by someone who either hacked the forum or had access to its servers.

It was, as you can deduce, about 4000 characters long in which I disproved some of those overly sweepingly generalizations of "roland". Needless to say, I hardly feel like writing it all over again. Sorry...

The part of roland's post I was addressing in that first post was this (the second part begins with Roman culture).
roland wrote:
Hello everyone, Cleopatra well for a start there was seven Cleopatras, the one everyone argues about was the last one Cleopatra VII born 69BC in Alexandria. Arguing what color she was just goes to show how far humanity has sunk, back then there wasn't such a big thing about color as the Greeks held the Egyptians in very high esteem, look at various greek writers for examples. She was more than likely a combination of African, European and Middle Eastern as Alexander encouraged the mixing of his troops with all the lands they conquered. This was a way of making sure his men and the conquered nations bonded so the empire which he started would be cohesive and not prone to uprisings.
The only reason the myth that the Egyptians are Caucasians was started because Jean-François Champollion decipered the hieorglpys giving people the chance to see just how influential the egyptians were. This is why Greece had its centre of learning in Egypt, the place where Cleopatra was born, its also why the only thing Greek about Alexandria was the language its citizens spoke, all the artifacts dug up are in the Egyptian style and the way Cleopatra VII dressed, used oils and make-up was Egyptian. How many other empires have their centre of learning on foreign soil, in my country England our centre of learning was always in Oxford and Cambridge even when we had a massive empire.
The Greeks based most of their culture on the Egyptians, Rome based most of its culture on the Greeks, Northern Europe based most of its culture on the Romans and America based most of its culture on the Northern Europeans this is why Egypt has been altered to give it a more Middle Eastern and European appearance belittling its African multi-cultural heritage.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10486 Feb 12, 2013
Sorry folks. I see they have put it in again meanwhile.
Oh well...

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10487 Feb 12, 2013
Justanyone wrote:
<quoted text>
The first Ptolemy, who founded the dynasty, also was one of Alexander's generals who divided his empire between them after his death (just as they murdered his wife Roxanne and his child, just in case).
And didn't you know Jesus was black ? Pastor Wright said so, so it must be true.
And last but not least, don't forget Desmond Tutu yelled at the congegrated audience at the opening of the South-African World Cup : "We are all Africans !"
So it must be true we are ALL Africans.
Mate, I live in Europe, so I know who Roxy and the rest were. PTOLEMAIOS was of course Alexander's friend and greek like him. DES HIT TU TV is a krap SOB.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10488 Feb 12, 2013
Mr dan gathendu wrote:
Tackling ancient egypts race is now an embarrassing topic. Recent discoveries that other black civilizations preceded or pararelled hakaptah(ancient Egypt)are indubitable.
The olmec Negro civilization of Yucatan in Mexico, Canaanite-Phoenicia, dravidain(Harrapa and mohenjo dero of ancient India),sumeria of Mesopotamia, pre hellen Greece(dogons),
WTF ???

Man man man...
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10489 Feb 12, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
<quoted text> Mate, I live in Europe, so I know who Roxy and the rest were. PTOLEMAIOS was of course Alexander's friend and greek like him. DES HIT TU TV is a krap SOB.
If only all Europeans were as highly educated as you are....

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10490 Feb 12, 2013
Justanyone wrote:
<quoted text>
If only all Europeans were as highly educated as you are....
If all Aa's would be as highly educaded esp somebody with brain.

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10491 Feb 12, 2013
Justanyone wrote:
<quoted text>
If only all Europeans were as highly educated as you are....
Unfortunately, we're much more educated than americans.
Afrocentism and Eurocentrism is something we don't know bout! And care less!
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10492 Feb 12, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
<quoted text> If all Aa's would be as highly educaded esp somebody with brain.
Aa's ?
Sorry, don't get your meaning.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10493 Feb 12, 2013
Simon Says wrote:
<quoted text>Where you think you learned your information from? Some aliens from other planets. O yea, you did probably because our history says we came and conquered this planet thousands of years ago. So black people were the aliens who taught you everything if you want to get technical. IAnywho, Peace and Love and Don't misjudge.
Peace and Love indeed. Haha.

Black people aliens ? Well, that would explain a lot, wouldn't it.

But no, I for one am not buying this. It is people like you who are getting this sort of ideas put into their heads by some with an agenda, and you are falling for it in droves as it sounds so... good.

No, believe me, we share a common history on earth and we just have to make the best of it we can, that's about all.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10494 Feb 12, 2013
Faith wrote:
Cleopatra was as black as the ace of spades. It's a matter of historical record.
So show the records.
Give us a link.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10495 Feb 12, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>I have a degree in anthropology. You will have to take my word for it.
First, the preposterousness of your claims is an insult to our intelligence.
Second, your claim of having a degree in anthropology without however be willing to provide references as any academic would is another one.

You are, simply put, a fraud and an impostor.
I only hope not all of you afrocentrists are like that.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10496 Feb 12, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
C/s and Of course, I believe in respecting everyone's ethnic origins.
That goes without saying and it's what everyone should do.
But when they also expect you to "respect" just plain stupidity and arrogance it goes a little too far.
Justanyone

Gent, Belgium

#10497 Feb 12, 2013
Nimrod son of Kush wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you on the fact that Cleopatra was not black and had no connection to black people though she was neither white nor arab...but you don't have to portray us as a people who,lacking civilisation are so eager to claim others'.Next time you express your opinion do it without spitting on our race because we are not desperate enough to claim anything that had nothing to do with us.
And please..Keep Nubians out your filthy mouth.
From what you are writing here it looks like you do believe in race ?
And yes, from posts here it is obviously some of you ARE desperate enough to claim (almost) anything that had nothing to do with you...

And it also looks like it is you who are spitting on us. I don't see why that other poster would have a filthy mouth.

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10498 Feb 14, 2013
Justanyone wrote:
<quoted text>
Aa's ?
Sorry, don't get your meaning.
Sorry, my english...:^D I kinda "mind translate" from my language into english when in hurry.
Wanna say those AA's who post such krapy claims (Cleo black, Charlemagne black etc , that's all.:^)
Btw, I'm some highly educated person cos I'm quite young, but its common sense.

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10499 Feb 14, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
<quoted text>
Btw, I'm **NOT** some highly educated person cos I'm quite young, but its common sense.
Corrected .
Lena

Canberra, Australia

#10500 Feb 14, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, my english...:^D I kinda "mind translate" from my language into english when in hurry.
Wanna say those AA's who post such krapy claims (Cleo black, Charlemagne black etc , that's all.:^)
Btw, I'm some highly educated person cos I'm quite young, but its common sense.
Cleopatra was greek Macedonian queen, the black can whine all they want it wont change anything, ala greka!!
Lena

Canberra, Australia

#10501 Feb 14, 2013
blacks**

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10502 Feb 14, 2013
Lena wrote:
<quoted text>Cleopatra was greek Macedonian queen
And that's what I've said .
Lena

Canberra, Australia

#10503 Feb 14, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
<quoted text> And that's what I've said .
I know...I was just repeating it so it can sink into their heads lol

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