Defense tries to cast doubt on who kicked Schuylkill man

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Attorneys for two Schuylkill County teens charged in the beating death of a Mexican man rested their case Thursday after just over two hours of testimony.
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21 - 40 of 103 Comments Last updated May 18, 2009
Bob

Wilkes Barre, PA

#21 May 1, 2009
The "killing" clearly was not a murder but a result of a fight that all participated in. Certainly a tragic ending, but all, including the victim, are equally responsible. The charge, a serious degee of assault.
Get real

Bethlehem, PA

#22 May 1, 2009
It's amazing how the La Raza crowd comes out to defend a known pedophile and one that got into a fight with teenagers, simply because he was from mexico.

So, if the girls mother had locked her daughters away, he would have just moved on to someone else's underage daughter, would it be okay with you if it was yours? I think some of you would accuse your own daughter of racism for not doing what a pedophile from mexico wanted.

The sh*t for brains could have walked away when the boys did, but he chose to go after them when they were walking away. His own stupidity got him stomped. One less pedophile to worry about.

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#23 May 1, 2009
Armed with a BB gun
Get real wrote:
It's amazing how the La Raza crowd comes out to defend a known pedophile and one that got into a fight with teenagers, simply because he was from mexico.
So, if the girls mother had locked her daughters away, he would have just moved on to someone else's underage daughter, would it be okay with you if it was yours? I think some of you would accuse your own daughter of racism for not doing what a pedophile from mexico wanted.
The sh*t for brains could have walked away when the boys did, but he chose to go after them when they were walking away. His own stupidity got him stomped. One less pedophile to worry about.
West End

Allentown, PA

#24 May 2, 2009
the status of the man does not have anything to do with the fact that he died it is illegal in this country to kill someone. there are federal laws to protect him and i hope someone calls in the federal prosecutors and get through this redneck town. it is one thing to fight but either party could have walked away the police should have been called to break it up but they chose vigilantism they should be charged....but off course double jeopardy is attached here but the can still be convicted on a hate crime. The whole relationship thing should have been stopped by the parents....if she was that young that is a crime or maybe the parents did not know but they should have more control of the girl.

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#25 May 2, 2009
Please try going to the republican herald and read about the whole story. I believe you missed most of the facts. The boys were walking away and he got up and attacked them from behind punching one kid in the back of the head numerous times and then the other boy came to his defense and punched him in the face sending him to the ground again and his head bounced of the ground. Ramirez used his cell phone to try to gather troops to fight his battle rather than calling the police. He was having a sexual relationship with the girl since she was 14. Her father tried to stop it but has since passed away. The jury had a vote of 11-1 in an hour for total acquital but that one swayed the other 11 to give them the least charge. It has very little to do with race if you consider a 26 year old attacking your teenager in the park
West End wrote:
the status of the man does not have anything to do with the fact that he died it is illegal in this country to kill someone. there are federal laws to protect him and i hope someone calls in the federal prosecutors and get through this redneck town. it is one thing to fight but either party could have walked away the police should have been called to break it up but they chose vigilantism they should be charged....but off course double jeopardy is attached here but the can still be convicted on a hate crime. The whole relationship thing should have been stopped by the parents....if she was that young that is a crime or maybe the parents did not know but they should have more control of the girl.
It was Karma

Taylor, PA

#26 May 2, 2009
West End wrote:
the status of the man does not have anything to do with the fact that he died it is illegal in this country to kill someone. there are federal laws to protect him and i hope someone calls in the federal prosecutors and get through this redneck town. it is one thing to fight but either party could have walked away the police should have been called to break it up but they chose vigilantism they should be charged....but off course double jeopardy is attached here but the can still be convicted on a hate crime. The whole relationship thing should have been stopped by the parents....if she was that young that is a crime or maybe the parents did not know but they should have more control of the girl.
The beanerboy broke the law every day he was in this country illegally, those fine young men only defended themselves from his attack. It was too bad that he wasn't smart enough to wait until his backup arrived, to stage his attack, but Karme won in the end
OJ Was Guilty

Columbus, OH

#27 May 2, 2009
Hip hip hooray!!! One for the white folks!
MAD JOE

Fort Pierce, FL

#28 May 2, 2009
I agreed with Tony, He was a human being, the four that were there,they should all be hung, No baloney, Lets stop murdering with out justice. I cannot beleive that four teens murdered and are free to go.Not one tryed to stop this murder
Incredulous

Houston, TX

#29 May 2, 2009
The comments made by many of the readers are SHOCKING. It is NEVER acceptable to kill another person in a street fight. Forget his heritage. Forget the age of his girlfriend.. if these punks had kicked one of your family members to death.. how would you feel?
The fact that so many low-life loser-readers support their actions is disgusting.
I am always right

Taylor, PA

#30 May 3, 2009
Incredulous wrote:
The comments made by many of the readers are SHOCKING. It is NEVER acceptable to kill another person in a street fight. Forget his heritage. Forget the age of his girlfriend.. if these punks had kicked one of your family members to death.. how would you feel?
The fact that so many low-life loser-readers support their actions is disgusting.
If I had relation, out raping young girls and in the country illegally, they could gladly kill them in a sreet fight, you have to eliminate your bad blood some how.
Jameson

Macuspana, Mexico

#31 May 3, 2009
It was Karma wrote:
<quoted text>
The beanerboy broke the law every day he was in this country illegally, those fine young men only defended themselves from his attack. It was too bad that he wasn't smart enough to wait until his backup arrived, to stage his attack, but Karme won in the end
Actually, that's just not true. He only broke the law once, by crossing the border illegally; and it's only a misdemeanor. Simply existing is not a crime, even if you don't have papers. I guess by your standards, if you've ever jaywalked, then you deserve to be beaten to death next time you start a fight.
Biased jury

Chesapeake, OH

#32 May 3, 2009
Incredulous wrote:
The comments made by many of the readers are SHOCKING. It is NEVER acceptable to kill another person in a street fight. Forget his heritage. Forget the age of his girlfriend.. if these punks had kicked one of your family members to death.. how would you feel?
The fact that so many low-life loser-readers support their actions is disgusting.
Well said. Sad to think these people are so backward in today's world to judge people for their differences.
Biased jury

Chesapeake, OH

#33 May 3, 2009
OJ Was Guilty wrote:
Hip hip hooray!!! One for the white folks!
Not racist????? Ok.

Bet you're a hard working, Tax paying, devout Christian too, of American Indian descent (since everyone else's descendants are immigrants) aren't you?
Get real

Bethlehem, PA

#34 May 3, 2009
American Indians weren't originally from here either. Try to get your facts straight.

Yes, my great grandparents did come legally. They waited till they had permission then came through Ellis Island. My great uncle died while they were waiting for permission and is buried in South America, where they went after getting permission to come there to stay while waiting for permission to come here. They didn't sneak in and expect hand outs or for everyone to speak their language.

The illegal in this case was out with his 14 year old girlfriend who he promised to marry. He thought he had the right to put a beat down on some teenagers for saying something he didn't like. If he was in such fear why not call the police? Oh yeah, it would be embarrassing to say why he was with a 14 year old girl!

He did call a group of his friends and told them to bring a gun. He attacked the smallest one and punched him in the back of the head when the teenagers were walking away.

He thought he was above the law and could beat on them for daring to hurt his feelings and making him look bad in front of his underage girlfriend.

He lost the fight and died. The jury didn't sacrifice the boys on the altar of political correctness because they saw it wasn't a hate crime, so now the illegals and their supporters are b*tt hurt about it.
It was Karma

Taylor, PA

#35 May 3, 2009
Jameson wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, that's just not true. He only broke the law once, by crossing the border illegally; and it's only a misdemeanor. Simply existing is not a crime, even if you don't have papers. I guess by your standards, if you've ever jaywalked, then you deserve to be beaten to death next time you start a fight.
Actually he broke the law more then once a day, before these fine young men taught him how to stop his wicked ways. Shall we start every time he raped one of these under age girls, he was so proud of making babies with. Or everyday he made money and didn't report it or pay taxes on it. How many days a week do you think he was out selling illegal drugs? Do you know how many people he stole from? I guess none of this is considered breaking the law every day. Beanerboy got what he had coming, he wasn't so tough, as he was thought, trying to impress, some young girl how macho he wasn't, cost him his life.
Get real

Bethlehem, PA

#36 May 3, 2009
Anyone else notice how fast MCall pulled the comments on the Hispanic groups outrage?

What's the matter, did my question asking if a riot would happen if the boys are tried again by those who support the boys hurt someone's feelings?

Now I know why everyone is cheering for MCall to go under.

I wonder if they will pull this thread now.
Thank God The good won

Taylor, PA

#37 May 3, 2009
Get real wrote:
Anyone else notice how fast MCall pulled the comments on the Hispanic groups outrage?
What's the matter, did my question asking if a riot would happen if the boys are tried again by those who support the boys hurt someone's feelings?
Now I know why everyone is cheering for MCall to go under.
I wonder if they will pull this thread now.
The Morning Call doesn't pull the comments, they just remove the link to them. Normally the comments are still on Topix, but you need to search to find them.
BUBBLE THE BUBBLE

Cedar Grove, NJ

#38 May 3, 2009
GET REAL YOU ARE so RIGHT, THE LIB-ITES COULD NOT TAKE THE TRUTH, AND HAD TO PROTECT THE ILLEGALS FROM HEARING THE TRUTH. ANY WAY IT IS A HAPPY DAY TODAY. MCALL WILL BEING PUT OUT OF BUSINESS SOON ENOUGH. BYE-BYE LIB-ITES.
rice hater

United States

#39 May 3, 2009
no justic eno peace, there is justice so there is peace
dville

Slatington, PA

#42 May 3, 2009
GOOD I AM GLAD THEY GOT OFF, THEY DID THE AREA A FAVOR, IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS!!!!!

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