Defense tries to cast doubt on who kicked Schuylkill man

Attorneys for two Schuylkill County teens charged in the beating death of a Mexican man rested their case Thursday after just over two hours of testimony. Full Story
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The Truth

Bangor, PA

#1 May 1, 2009
These kids will be acquitted, there's too many discrepencies in the testimonies.
Sgt Steeltips

Hellertown, PA

#2 May 1, 2009
ethnic intimidation = another illegal meximan pointing a gun at white teenagers. Oh I forgot this "stellar pillar of society" is already in county lockup. ha ha ha ha ha
Sgt Steeltips

Hellertown, PA

#3 May 1, 2009
the report said the illegal one called 5 people prior to getting deported. why don't the detectives trace those calls since I am sure they were made to other illegals.
Total waste of tax money

Taylor, PA

#4 May 1, 2009
Find a new DA, instead of some bozo who wastes our tax money on a case he couldn't prove, if he had god himself testify
leelop

Northampton, PA

#5 May 1, 2009
every day these whites come up with more bull,,,, now the dead man called his friends, too bad the guy is dead and can,t defend himself, and blame it on the youngest so he won,t get anything but probation, you can see the boys mothers cop boyfriend is behind this one, and a lot of their friends have come out of the wood work now,to help,where wher they before? BIG SETUP
redneck

Hellertown, PA

#6 May 1, 2009
why does this paper continue to call this dead pos a immagrint.. he was an ILLEGAL . he was not a citizen he was molesting kids... so what the problem? hey mcall write the truth not LIES
Bocceli

Easton, PA

#7 May 1, 2009
leelop wrote:
every day these whites come up with more bull,,,, now the dead man called his friends, too bad the guy is dead and can,t defend himself, and blame it on the youngest so he won,t get anything but probation, you can see the boys mothers cop boyfriend is behind this one, and a lot of their friends have come out of the wood work now,to help,where wher they before? BIG SETUP
LOL, there are no "whites" here making stuff up. Read the paper (if you can) and you will notice that the piece of trash made 5 (that's sinko to you I guess) phone calls before he attacked the teens. AT LEAST one of those calls went to a convicted criminal who brought a gun. Funny thing is that scumbag who brought the gun is now in county prison for unrelated crimes. Wow, great circle of friends the scumbag ran with.

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#8 May 1, 2009
And the tough guy with the BB gun didn't even get charged
Bocceli wrote:
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LOL, there are no "whites" here making stuff up. Read the paper (if you can) and you will notice that the piece of trash made 5 (that's sinko to you I guess) phone calls before he attacked the teens. AT LEAST one of those calls went to a convicted criminal who brought a gun. Funny thing is that scumbag who brought the gun is now in county prison for unrelated crimes. Wow, great circle of friends the scumbag ran with.
Give me a break

Moscow, PA

#9 May 1, 2009
I will be shocked if they are found guilty.
i dont care

Philadelphia, PA

#10 May 1, 2009
I dont care if the guy was here illegally or not... these boys need to pay for what they did. Nobody deserves to be killed.
bob

Pittston, PA

#11 May 1, 2009
It is clear to me that Ramirez had the chance to walk away but decided to call friends and have it out with the boys. Problem is his friends did not arrive in time. These young men should not go to jail. An Illegal who has violated two under age girls and proposed to both of them is not what I call a credit to the community. Not to mention his alledged drug dealings. Whatever I hope this incident is quickly settled and the issue dropped. Race was not a factor here ,morality was.
redneck

Hellertown, PA

#12 May 1, 2009
i dont care wrote:
I dont care if the guy was here illegally or not... these boys need to pay for what they did. Nobody deserves to be killed.
so you think it is ok for the dead guy to molest underage girls? even though the girls seem to be TT . where are the parents of these girls ? why are they not being arrested for allowing their TT to have sex with old men. who paid to bury this molestor?
Get real

Bethlehem, PA

#13 May 1, 2009
The girls father, before he died, did try to have the scumbag arrest time and time again, but the authorities told him nothing could be done. The authorities were probably afraid of the hate group "la raza" showing up if they arrested the scumbag and accuse everyone and their brother of accusing the scumbag out of racism.

What was the mother suppose to do? Lock her daughters in the basement? She knew going to the authorities was useless. She shouldn't have to worry about some sh*t for brains, third world illegal going after her daughters.

This scumbag illegal thought he was above the law, so why not go after some teenagers for hurting his feelings and making him look bad in front of his underage girlfriend. He told the boys it was "his park".

He punched the smallest teenager in the back of the head when the teenagers were trying to walk away. He thought his friends would be there soon and they would show those teenagers that illegals can do what ever they want without fear of the law.

His friends didn't get there in time, the boys defended themselves from an ADULT who jumped them when they tried to walk away. The sh*t for brains illegal died, boohoo.

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#14 May 1, 2009
The mother should have shot the creep
Get real wrote:
The girls father, before he died, did try to have the scumbag arrest time and time again, but the authorities told him nothing could be done. The authorities were probably afraid of the hate group "la raza" showing up if they arrested the scumbag and accuse everyone and their brother of accusing the scumbag out of racism.
What was the mother suppose to do? Lock her daughters in the basement? She knew going to the authorities was useless. She shouldn't have to worry about some sh*t for brains, third world illegal going after her daughters.
This scumbag illegal thought he was above the law, so why not go after some teenagers for hurting his feelings and making him look bad in front of his underage girlfriend. He told the boys it was "his park".
He punched the smallest teenager in the back of the head when the teenagers were trying to walk away. He thought his friends would be there soon and they would show those teenagers that illegals can do what ever they want without fear of the law.
His friends didn't get there in time, the boys defended themselves from an ADULT who jumped them when they tried to walk away. The sh*t for brains illegal died, boohoo.
MCALL READER

Whitehall, PA

#15 May 1, 2009
Sgt Steeltips wrote:
ethnic intimidation = another illegal meximan pointing a gun at white teenagers. Oh I forgot this "stellar pillar of society" is already in county lockup. ha ha ha ha ha
Of course everyone was screeming about this so called illegal hand gun before the facts were spelled out and it turns out to be a only BB gun which the guy brought to the seen of the crime in hopes to scare off the GANG of white boys who were threatening his friend, but he was too late they had already MURDERED him.
up to that

Orange Park, FL

#16 May 1, 2009
how were they supposed to know it was a bb gun, this guy restarted the fight,not that I condone he is dead but his actions created his own death. If he would of left it go he would be alive today
MCALL READER

Whitehall, PA

#17 May 1, 2009
Get real wrote:
The girls father, before he died, did try to have the scumbag arrest time and time again, but the authorities told him nothing could be done. The authorities were probably afraid of the hate group "la raza" showing up if they arrested the scumbag and accuse everyone and their brother of accusing the scumbag out of racism.
What was the mother suppose to do? Lock her daughters in the basement? She knew going to the authorities was useless. She shouldn't have to worry about some sh*t for brains, third world illegal going after her daughters.
This scumbag illegal thought he was above the law, so why not go after some teenagers for hurting his feelings and making him look bad in front of his underage girlfriend. He told the boys it was "his park".
He punched the smallest teenager in the back of the head when the teenagers were trying to walk away. He thought his friends would be there soon and they would show those teenagers that illegals can do what ever they want without fear of the law.
His friends didn't get there in time, the boys defended themselves from an ADULT who jumped them when they tried to walk away. The sh*t for brains illegal died, boohoo.
first of all, I don't believe you about the girls father because where is he now, why hasn't he come forward and they way this whole investigation occured leads me to believe that the police department is just as racist as the rest of town, and second of all, yes her parents could have locked her up in the house, thats what responsible paretns do. They do not allow their 14/15 year old daughter's to go out with 25 year old men. When I was 14 I had a boyfriend who was 17 going on 18, my parents said he was too old, I wasn't allowed to go out with him, wasn't allowed in his car, etc... I tried to sneak out, got caught and was basically grounded for the rest of the summer. Its a PARENTS job job to know where their children are at all times to make sure they are safe and they follow their rules. It is not the job of a GANG of drunk teen racist trouble making boys to worry about the whereabouts of a teen girl. This had nothign to do with their concern for her safety and everthing to do with theri haterd for the enthnicity of the man she was with, and that does not give them the right to murder him. This reeks of a lynching in the deep south, killing someone because of hte color of their skin and these boys are goiung to get away with it and it is absolutely disgusting that anyone would laud them as heroes, They are not heroes, they are lowlife scumbag murderers and the cops who didn't do their jobs after the fact are just as bad and should loose their jobs!!!
Tony

Hazleton, PA

#18 May 1, 2009
Just muddy the waters as to who did the kicking?
That's all ya gotta do???!!!
ALL these kids were involved in this MURDER.
Not Surprised

Hartford, CT

#19 May 1, 2009
I have read some of these comments and I am not surprised by how many WHITE people defend these idiots for KILLING a man. I don't defend the molesting at all that is disgusting as well. However who the hell gives them the right to take matters into their own hands and jump him. No matter if the victim was older when you have 3 against 1 be real. And for those of you who say he was wrong for calling his friends. I'd like to know how many of you WHITE folks would not do the same if you knew some blacks or spanish guys were going to gang up on you. You would probably call on your fellow K** memebers. Had this victim been white and the same circumstances and evidence being so doubtful you would still expect them to be found guilty.

“rockin pandas”

Since: Mar 07

Whitehall

#20 May 1, 2009
It was 3 against 2 if you would have followed along and Ramirez attacked the boys from behind punching the smallest one in the back of the head and then he got punched in the face. Please read the facts
Not Surprised wrote:
I have read some of these comments and I am not surprised by how many WHITE people defend these idiots for KILLING a man. I don't defend the molesting at all that is disgusting as well. However who the hell gives them the right to take matters into their own hands and jump him. No matter if the victim was older when you have 3 against 1 be real. And for those of you who say he was wrong for calling his friends. I'd like to know how many of you WHITE folks would not do the same if you knew some blacks or spanish guys were going to gang up on you. You would probably call on your fellow K** memebers. Had this victim been white and the same circumstances and evidence being so doubtful you would still expect them to be found guilty.

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