Deadly fire accidental

Deadly fire accidental

There are 43 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Sep 3, 2008, titled Deadly fire accidental. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

Rescue workers bring a litter bearing the remains of a man who died in a fire yesterday out of the burned house at 642 Walnut St.

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knowledge is power

York, PA

#1 Sep 3, 2008
Of course the police are going to deny the amount of times they were called to that residence; could it be because the victim's girlfriend is the DA's sister?
Coffeemom

United States

#2 Sep 3, 2008
Well,well,well...Knowledge IS power! This will be ruled an accident no matter what!

I must say that I am VERY disappointed with the person who wrote this! They release a mans name, they did it yesterday also. How would you like to come home check the internet and find out your loved one died in a fire. They had not released a name - PENDING NOTIFICATION OF NEXT OF KIN!!! Hello - common sense!!
knowledge is power

York, PA

#3 Sep 3, 2008
I too think that is cruel. In one breath, they are telling you neighbors identified the body and gave the name. In the next breath, they say they are withholding the name until next of kin is notified. You've gotta love proof readers.
Concerned neighbor

Lebanon, PA

#4 Sep 3, 2008
When I read the phrase, "the police have been called to their apartment no less than 30 or 40 times," I felt like it was myself speaking. We have the same problem in the 800 block of Walnut Street and Union Street. I know that the police cannot be everywhere, but maybe they should try to be somewhere. If they would start citing people who are disturbing the peace, which is still against the City Ordinances, maybe tragedies like this could be avoided, or at least diminished.
Coffeemom

United States

#5 Sep 4, 2008
I agree with you 'Concerned neighbor'! I believe the reason things continued at this location may have something to do with 'knowledge is power's statement at the top - "the victims girlfriend is the DA's sister". Sad as it is, 8th street is very corrupt!
imhere

Mount Gretna, PA

#6 Sep 4, 2008
Coffeemom wrote:
I agree with you 'Concerned neighbor'! I believe the reason things continued at this location may have something to do with 'knowledge is power's statement at the top - "the victims girlfriend is the DA's sister". Sad as it is, 8th street is very corrupt!
Oh God you sound like the spokes person for that Reber case.Everything is corrupt and conspiracy. Get real. If yall think you could be a better cop or a DA go to school and become one.if not than stop complaining obout it. You people always look like a bunch or freaks with the corruption issue.Watch to much tv and read to many books and put crazy wacked out thoughts in your heads
Angel Felled

Langhorne, PA

#7 Sep 4, 2008
You all suck! get over who is realted to whom. Over Digging 50 year old corpses, over your broke education system, over We dont want a Wallmart! and all your petty lives that make reading this so entertaining. The city meetings which are open to the public are attended by a very, very few of you concerned citizens.

Get off your rear ends and Do something about...in the mean time thanks for the entertainment, who ever knew that a one horse town could provide this much fun.
usuck

Mount Gretna, PA

#8 Sep 4, 2008
Angel Felled wrote:
You all suck! get over who is realted to whom. Over Digging 50 year old corpses, over your broke education system, over We dont want a Wallmart! and all your petty lives that make reading this so entertaining. The city meetings which are open to the public are attended by a very, very few of you concerned citizens.
Get off your rear ends and Do something about...in the mean time thanks for the entertainment, who ever knew that a one horse town could provide this much fun.
I attend them bonehead
Guess you sitting around reading this makes you have a petty life
Poor photojournalism

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Sep 4, 2008
While Mr. Latimer eagerly mentions in his caption that the fire police officer is "trying to obstruct the photographer," he seems to forget that, according to several witnesses, he illegally crossed a fire line to take the picture. As a photojournalist myself, I am a huge advocate of photographer's rights, and as a sworn fire police officer, I respect those rights, even when doing so disobeys an order I have been given on scene regarding the press. However, when a photographer decides to put themselves in a position where legally they shouldn't be, I have very little respect for that photographer, and commend my fellow officer for his actions. Why else would a photographer run away when confronted by officers, as several stated he did?
knowledge is power

York, PA

#10 Sep 4, 2008
To imhere and angel felled; you two sound like part of the problem, not part of the solution. So, go back to your room and watch your soap operas, leave important issues to people who are in the know, we wouldn't you getting a headache from trying to come up with something intelligent to say.
Theresa Paris

Washington, DC

#11 Sep 4, 2008
To Poor Photojournalism,

I agree whole-heartedly! The photographer has no right intruding across police lines, and the unidentified fire police officer had every right to stand in the photographer's way. When our press members think their freedom is above the law, it's time to slam them with the legal gavel as we should everyone who acts like a criminal. Kudos to the Lebanon Fire Police Officer for taking his duties to heart, upholding the law and protecting the privacy and dignity of the victim (regardless of how the fire started).
Poor photojournalism

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Sep 4, 2008
To Theresa Paris,

Glad someone agrees with me, but I'd love to hear Mr. Latimer's version of the story. I can't believe he would even publish such a picture, one that he never should have taken - even if done so on the proper side of the fire line. As a fire company photographer, I actively avoid taking photos of patients and victims of accidents, fires, etc. as a matter of privacy and respect.

This particular fire, I had the opportunity to get photos from the back door of the fire building - a location I had access to in my position, and any other member of the press didn't - when it was suggested that I not, out of respect to those involved. At many other fires, I have taken similar shots without protest, but in this instance, I agreed, due to the fatality. It seems pretty insignificant, but I'm sure the victims would say otherwise, and that's what I keep in mind - what the victims would think if they saw my pictures. I can't imagine what the family of the victim of this fire must think about that photo being published. It's really not that difficult to distinguish between respectful and asinine.

Why not remove the sheet and get into the business of corpse photography, Mr. Latimer? I hear there's good money in it in Mexico.
Angel Fallen

Langhorne, PA

#13 Sep 4, 2008
usuck wrote:
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I attend them bonehead
Guess you sitting around reading this makes you have a petty life
You are right, I must be petty. LOl what a bunch of looser we are arguing in this stupid forum.:-P

We should ashamed of ourselves, and good for you! For the next meetng take a friend :-)
Angel Fallen

Langhorne, PA

#14 Sep 4, 2008
knowledge is power wrote:
To imhere and angel felled; you two sound like part of the problem, not part of the solution. So, go back to your room and watch your soap operas, leave important issues to people who are in the know, we wouldn't you getting a headache from trying to come up with something intelligent to say.
You are the one putting out people and making acussations from the comfort of your home or office, grow some balls. If you are concerned and want to adress the issues Put your name up. You know were the court house is come over. Right! thats what I thought. Now fetch me a beer boy!
knowledge is power

York, PA

#15 Sep 4, 2008
Angel Fallen wrote:
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You are the one putting out people and making acussations from the comfort of your home or office, grow some balls. If you are concerned and want to adress the issues Put your name up. You know were the court house is come over. Right! thats what I thought. Now fetch me a beer boy!
Sorry sonny; I have to much to do at WORK to get you a beer, but by all means; drink one for me if you can get of the couch and get t the fridge! by the way, I don't have enough room for a second set!
Michelle Gooden

Pinehurst, NC

#16 Sep 4, 2008
imhere wrote:
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Oh God you sound like the spokes person for that Reber case.Everything is corrupt and conspiracy. Get real. If yall think you could be a better cop or a DA go to school and become one.if not than stop complaining obout it. You people always look like a bunch or freaks with the corruption issue.Watch to much tv and read to many books and put crazy wacked out thoughts in your heads
I just can't resist.
How are "yall" doing?

I guess Boss Hawg got up early and had something to say.

"Yall" think you could be a better cop?
One can only reckon.

Well, "yall" should go to school to learn how to do it....(& if not...oh, hell, fudge a resume...it worked for Boss Hawg)

"Yall" can't make this stuff up.....One would think after all this time in the area one would understand it aint "yall" but "yous guys"

Did "yall" get your resume right this time, or should we help ya out a bit?
Michelle Gooden

Pinehurst, NC

#17 Sep 4, 2008
imhere wrote:
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Oh God you sound like the spokes person for that Reber case.Everything is corrupt and conspiracy. Get real. If yall think you could be a better cop or a DA go to school and become one.if not than stop complaining obout it. You people always look like a bunch or freaks with the corruption issue.Watch to much tv and read to many books and put crazy wacked out thoughts in your heads
A chief of police with southern roots might see where "yall" need to go to school to beome a cop to have a REAL complaint, but that's the same chief looking for employment outside the city of Lebanon.
"Yall" understand that, don't you?
John Latimer

United States

#18 Sep 4, 2008
To clarify an earlier comment made by someone posting as Poor Photo Journalism:

When I took the photo that appeared on Wednesday's front page of the Lebanon Daily News,
I was in a neighbor's backyard with about 15 other people. I asked the owner's permission to be there and received it.

Prior to that, I was in another neighboring yard where there was no tape blocking my access. When the fire policeman told me to move, I did.

After the fire policeman blocked my attempts to photograph the scene, I moved into an area that was partially blocked off by police tape to get an unobstructed view of the victim being brought out. It was a remote area, far from the house, where emergency vehicles were parked.

I had been there at least three times before without anyone, including fire fighters and fire police telling me to move.

When I was told to leave after taking two photos I immediately did.

Those photos were not published.

My job is to take the photos. A fire police officer's job is an important one, but it is only to keep people out of the investigation scene... not to prevent me from doing my job.

The decision to run the photo and the accompanying caption was an editorial decision, not mine. But I had no problem with that decision.

For comments and questions I can always be reached at [email protected] or by phone at the LDN. Topix doesn't allow phone numbers to be posted.
Michelle Gooden

Pinehurst, NC

#19 Sep 4, 2008
imhere wrote:
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Oh God you sound like the spokes person for that Reber case.Everything is corrupt and conspiracy. Get real. If yall think you could be a better cop or a DA go to school and become one.if not than stop complaining obout it. You people always look like a bunch or freaks with the corruption issue.Watch to much tv and read to many books and put crazy wacked out thoughts in your heads
"Yall" understand why this fire would have anything to do with the Reber case?

I don't get it either, but "yall" can fill me in later.

Someone should tell "Yall" we shouldn't confuse issues because we ain't as stupid as they are in snap back.
Michelle Gooden

Pinehurst, NC

#20 Sep 4, 2008
imhere wrote:
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Oh God you sound like the spokes person for that Reber case.Everything is corrupt and conspiracy. Get real. If yall think you could be a better cop or a DA go to school and become one.if not than stop complaining obout it. You people always look like a bunch or freaks with the corruption issue.Watch to much tv and read to many books and put crazy wacked out thoughts in your heads
I am far from a spokesman for the Reber case, but I stood up in the name of justice for Peggy Reber. I resent your random mention and attack involving the death of a child 40 years ago in relation to a fire a few days ago.

This week's fatal fire in Lebanon? It was tragic, but it has nothing to do with Peggy's murder.

YOU decided to bring the two subjects together in conversation. WHY?

Conspiracy, cover up?
YOU brought the subject up....do they apply?

You commented on a posting involving the DA and his compromised family member, cops responding to calls and not reacting effectively....

Tell me, HOW exactly did PEGGY find your prose?

Oh, do tell.

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