Vegan teacher appeals firing

Vegan teacher appeals firing

There are 28 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 4, 2007, titled Vegan teacher appeals firing. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

FOX RIVER GROVE, Ill. - A vegan middle school teacher who vowed to persuade schools to change their menus is appealing his firing.

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Dixonslick

United States

#1 Oct 4, 2007
You can do more to promote healthy eating habits then make an ass of yourself.
Warwak

Chippewa Falls, WI

#2 Oct 7, 2007
Just goes to show people are afraid of things they don't understand. People are afraid of change. I wouldn't hurt a flea, let alone a person. Just proves my point. We are a fear-based society afraid of many things. Vegans are the last group of people to be fearful of. If I didn't care about people, I wouldn't care what the children ate or what they were taught. Humane Education coupled with a Vegan lunch is the end to school shootings, war, Health Care crisis!
Another Kevin

Wilmette, IL

#3 Oct 7, 2007
Warwako, what are you thinking?
Just what happens to deer that have no natural predators in the forest preserves?
They (just like humans) die of starvation when the food supply can no longer support the population.

Skip art class for the rest of your life and bone up on economics.

There is a reason that agrarian societies raise and consume domesticated animals.
The protein needed to support the human life form cannot be raised in sufficient quantities to support a given population, hence, moo, moo, moo, here's chewing on you.
The byproducts (fur, tallow, bone) gives shelter, light and utensils, to name a few uses.
Since the dawn of time when you, and your poorly concieved ideas weren't around, the path of least resistance to existence was being an omnivore, basicly stated, if you could outrun it, you could eat it and LIVE.

I posed a question to you earlier that you conviniently ignored.

Do you wear canvas shoes?
How about clothes dyed only with berry or soy-based dyes?
Do you refuse to wear a belt made of nothing but rope or cloth?
What does your carbon footprint look like?
Don't walk the walk, if you can't talk the talk, and personally speaking, you can't.
You have never used a product that was glued? Where do you think most water based advesives come from?
The only fear that exists is the fear that you harbor towards your own existence.

Acceptance of such is the first step to recovery.

Americe is based upon freedom of CHOICE, a concept apparently foreign to you. Get with the program, your veganvangelism is your belief of choice, not a right to pontificate said behavior to the rest of the world who must obey.
No one (except your megalomaniac self) made you king of the vegans.
The ability to get along (ala Rodney King) means that one respects others beliefs, not demands that a school system change its policies or philosophy to match yours.
warwak

Chippewa Falls, WI

#4 Oct 7, 2007
October 3, 2007
source: http://inslide.com/respect

Timothy Mahaffy, Jackie Krause, Fox River Grove District 3 Board Members***, and the Illinois State Board of Education,

In direct response to Fox River Grove School District 3 letter of termination received on September 27, 2007, a hearing is now officially requested as an appeal to the wrongful termination of Dave Warwak per ILSC 105 in which a hearing on the below charges before disinterested hearing officers on a date no less than 15 nor more than 30 days after the enactment of the motion. The secretary of the school board shall forward a copy of the notice to the State Board of Education. Within 5 days after receiving this notice of hearing, the State Board of Education shall provide a list of 5 prospective, impartial hearing officers. Each person on the list must be accredited by a national arbitration organization and have had a minimum of 5 years of experience directly related to labor and employment relations matters between educational employers and educational employees or their exclusive bargaining representatives. No one on the list may be a resident of Fox River Grove, IL.
Fox River Grove School District 3 chose to ignore the Federal Trade Commission’s ruling against misleading commercial advertising in schools. I am being terminated for my response to the pro-dairy propaganda in the school cafeteria in which, I, as an Art Teacher, was educating students about the power of advertising in the Visual Arts. Specifically, how the Meat and Dairy Industry uses its influence to shape and guide the values and morals of society through indoctrination. Charges, not limited to, but include the following:
In retaliation of Dave Warwak's performance of his official duties and in an attempt to avoid compliance and/or legal action regarding their neglect in addressing ILSC violations and other Child Endangerment issues, Jackie Krause, Timothy Mahaffy, and the Fox River Grove School District 3 Board of Education Members***, knowingly and willfully, exposed Dave Warwak to hatred, contempt, and ridicule, while Warwak was engaged in the execution of his official duties, in which, said members prevented the defendant from performing his official duties. SB0100 (720 ILCS 5/12-110)(was 720 ILCS 5/12-6)
Sec. 12-110 12-6. Intimidation; aggravated intimidation.
Another Kevin

Wilmette, IL

#5 Oct 7, 2007
You still didn't answer the question, did you....
Galicia

New York, NY

#6 Oct 7, 2007
Dude,
warwak wrote:
Charges, not limited to, but include the following:
I noted with curiosity that you chose not to list the charges leveled against you. Did you think that the readership would not notice the omission? Even your abbreviated list (i.e. "not limited to, but include the following...") would have made for an interesting read. Does it include the fact that you asked children to keep silent about what you were teaching?
warwak wrote:
In retaliation of Dave Warwak's performance
You should probably have a lawyer read your documents before submitting them to the school board. It is statements like the one above that open you up to "ridicule".
Warwak

Chippewa Falls, WI

#7 Oct 7, 2007
Vegans on average are 17 points higher in IQ as Galicia, Another Kevin, and Dixonslick clearly demonstrate. I will not spoon feed answers you can find yourself. I am too busy spreading the word amongst the youth - they get it - fast - you don't - not even over a couple thousand years. Argue with the man;
“Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet” Einstein

“Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of mankind" Einstein
Another Kevin

Wilmette, IL

#8 Oct 8, 2007
Mr. Warwak: in the immortal words of Tim roth's character 1900 (spoken to Jelly Roll Morton) in the movie "The Legend of 1900": "You asked for it -------".

One of the axioms of logic is: "Correlation does not imply causation"

Mr Warwak states that vegans have higher IQ's on average. Where does he site a source?

Next he decides to use a few self serving snippets quoting Albert Einstein, without doing his homework.

Let an omnivore educate Mr. Warwak about Einstein quotes:

Warwak: Vegans on average are 17 points higher in IQ as Galicia, Another Kevin, and Dixonslick clearly demonstrate.

Einstein: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

Warwak: I will not spoon feed answers you can find yourself.

Einstein: A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.

Warwak: am too busy spreading the word amongst the youth - they get it - fast - you don't - not even over a couple thousand years.

Einstein: The devil has put a penalty on all things we enjoy in life. Either we suffer in health or we suffer in soul or we get fat.

and

Einstein: The road to perdition has ever been accompanied by lip service to an ideal.

Warwak:(Quoted in a Tribune article)

Dave Warwak, 44, of Williams Bay, Wis., asked the state board to appoint a hearing officer to review his termination. He had said he would not return to the classroom unless the school served only lunches free of animal products.

Einstein:
The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than to rule.

Warwak: I am being terminated for my response to the pro-dairy propaganda in the school cafeteria in which, I, as an Art Teacher, was educating students about the power of advertising in the Visual Arts. Specifically, how the Meat and Dairy Industry uses its influence to shape and guide the values and morals of society through indoctrination.

Einstein: As far as I'm concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue.

Finally Mr Warwak should consider his own words:
Warwak: "Argue with the man;"

Einstein: You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.

and finally, had he done his research, he would have come across this pearl of wisdom from Mr. Einstein.

Einstein: If A equals success, then the formula is _ A =_ X +_ Y +_ Z._ X is work._ Y is play._ Z is keep your mouth shut.

Pete

Chicago, IL

#9 Oct 8, 2007
This teacher was not fired for being a Vegan. He was fired for blowing off his teching duties. His appeal will go nowhere.
Warwak

Chippewa Falls, WI

#10 Oct 10, 2007
Another Kevin,
every post you make says so much about you and your cause and promotes veganism. Post some more non-sense! Yes, I am shipwrecked on an island of truth surrounded by a sea of anotherkevins - what is your point? do you understand the quote?
and again, you quote things that confirm what I told you about spoonfeeding - you are lost in space - A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.
Another Kevin

Wilmette, IL

#11 Oct 10, 2007
In regards to Mr. Warwak, it seems such a shame that he can't understand or comprehend the written word.
I understand the art path now...
I have posed questions to him that he does not answer.
Non-sense is in fact only non-sense to those who do not comprehend (17+ IQ points over the average omnivore and all).
Negation is not an argument, nor is it a competent defense.
Your words to those of the world of comprehension do speak volumes of your intellect (or the lack thereof).
It would do Mr. warwak well to ba able to answer questions put to him by those who will de determining his
future employment status - or the lack of it

A few questions - Does Mr. Warwak actually think about the things that he types?
Is he delusional?

The only space in the inanne negations of Mr. Warwak seems to be that located between hos ears.
Yvonne Chi-town

Chicago, IL

#12 Oct 10, 2007
Wow - fabulus commentaries here! Made my day to read the BS from Warwack (really honey, what are you thinking?) and the well-thought out answers (which make much more sense) of Another Kevin. BTW, I agree w/Another Kevin...keep on!
Warwak

Chippewa Falls, WI

#13 Oct 10, 2007
"It would do Mr. Warwak well to be able to answer questions put to him by those who will be determining his
future employment status"

who do you think you are?

Since: Aug 07

Chicago, IL

#14 Oct 10, 2007
Current adult vegans may (possibly) have a higher IQ, but infants fed a vegan diet since birth will have low IQ's due to being denied the animal fats necessary for proper brain development.
And how can a vegan diet stop school shootings? Do you have any sources for that?
Another Kevin

Wilmette, IL

#15 Oct 10, 2007
Who Am I?

I am a person who would like you to answer questions, not spout veganvangelism

In another post with the same story header I have asked you questions to wit:

Who hired this guy? Who mentored this guy?

I wonder about this individual - does he wear shoes? Drive a plastic car (which by the way may harm the environment more than it benefits same)? Pedal to work? Live in a grass hut?

In the current topic, post #3:
Do you wear canvas shoes?
How about clothes dyed only with berry or soy-based dyes?
Do you refuse to wear a belt made of nothing but rope or cloth?
What does your carbon footprint look like?

Furthermore:
You don't eat meat but what about your lifestyle?

Is your consumption of veggie-based products limited only to food?

If it is, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

If you use a leather or any other animal byproduct based article or object, do you expect the outside of an animal to be used but the inside discarded?

I have asked you these questions and you have not answered them.

To reply to your question again; not being one to shy away from an answer:
Do you advocate using the wrapper, but tossing away everything else in the animal?

Isn't that being a bit wasteful?
Warwak

Chippewa Falls, WI

#16 Oct 10, 2007
This is not about me, even though you would love that - it is about them not doing their job and going out of their way to fool simple minds
just asking

Wonder Lake, IL

#17 Oct 12, 2007
So Warwak, were you really escorted by police from your hometown homecoming parade after having to be told to leave other peoples children alone? If I have read correctly, you were working this time to dispel the Santa "lie" for the little kids. Scary thing is your response on another blog seems to have been "f**k Santa"
Blackberry

Camberley, UK

#19 Oct 21, 2007
Another Kevin wrote:
Warwako, what are you thinking?
Just what happens to deer that have no natural predators in the forest preserves?
They (just like humans) die of starvation when the food supply can no longer support the population.
Skip art class for the rest of your life and bone up on economics.
There is a reason that agrarian societies raise and consume domesticated animals.
The protein needed to support the human life form cannot be raised in sufficient quantities to support a given population, hence, moo, moo, moo, here's chewing on you.
The byproducts (fur, tallow, bone) gives shelter, light and utensils, to name a few uses.
Since the dawn of time when you, and your poorly concieved ideas weren't around, the path of least resistance to existence was being an omnivore, basicly stated, if you could outrun it, you could eat it and LIVE.
I posed a question to you earlier that you conviniently ignored.
Do you wear canvas shoes?
How about clothes dyed only with berry or soy-based dyes?
Do you refuse to wear a belt made of nothing but rope or cloth?
What does your carbon footprint look like?
Don't walk the walk, if you can't talk the talk, and personally speaking, you can't.
You have never used a product that was glued? Where do you think most water based advesives come from?
The only fear that exists is the fear that you harbor towards your own existence.
Acceptance of such is the first step to recovery.
Americe is based upon freedom of CHOICE, a concept apparently foreign to you. Get with the program, your veganvangelism is your belief of choice, not a right to pontificate said behavior to the rest of the world who must obey.
No one (except your megalomaniac self) made you king of the vegans.
The ability to get along (ala Rodney King) means that one respects others beliefs, not demands that a school system change its policies or philosophy to match yours.


However - you claim that everyone should have a freedom of choice but this is not fair and actually quite ignorant to the fact that buying these products collaborates to their suffering. You may not hold animals at a high regard compared to humans, but going by the evidence of pain and emotional sophistication animals feel I can't see how (with only a difference in species) having the choice to support animal suffering is any different to having the choice to abuse a toddler!

Overall it's a pretty well thought out post and as much as I care for the world we live in I admit I don't only use soy based dyes and only wear rope belts. I just do what I can and if we have the money and the health not to wear fur, eat meat and milk and so on - I don't beleive we should if there is so much suffering behind it! Though I don't preach this to everyone I see I just care for those who suffer and if what we do with them is our choice then I pity the future of mankind!!
FRG Parent

Cary, IL

#20 Oct 24, 2007
Heather, You completely missed the point. This is not about Vegan teach being good or bad. It is about a school teacher who tried to indoctrinate kids who had no choice but to listen to him in class. He was suppose to teach Art and he did not do that. Instead he decided to change the school agenda to his own and not teach art anymore. It is obvoius to me as a parent of one of the kids who had him that he broke the rules of being a good and honest teacher. How would you like your kids coming home telling you the teacher is not doing his job anymore? How would you like your kids being told not to tell your parents what they are learning in class? How would you like to hear from kids that Mr Warwak is acting very strange to the girls in the class? How would you like to hear he is having the kids play the Vegan web site games in study hall? How would you like to hear he is putting kids in a dunce hat and maikg kids sit in the corner? Go look at his pictures on Myspace of Ronald McDonald hanging on a cross and tell me what you think of him. Why does a grown man have a MySpace account in the first place???
My daughter and my son have had this man teach them. Both have told us about these situations occuring and I for one have had it with him! He is a border line pedofile and he needs to leave young children alone and teach his beliefs to adults. If you want to stick up for him go ahead but you needed to know the real truth about a man who has gone off the deep end and needs help. Have you noticed he never answers anyone questions? This is true not only online but in person too. The man never answers anyones questions and that is troubling. He could have done his job and been a vegan too. My kids never had the opportunity to say I do not want to hear anymore about Vegan lifestyle. He was their teacher and they were his ART students. The classroom door was closed and they were stuck listening to him.
Now the door is open and I for one based on what I have heard first hand do not want him near my kids ever again!
Melissa

Arlington Heights, IL

#21 Oct 24, 2007
Warwak, why don't you just open up your own private school? That way you can teach whatever you believe in, and parents, if they choose can send their children to your school, if they believe in what you believe in? That way, you're out of the public school system and the rest of us can raise our children the way we choose.

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