Vegan teacher to skip school

Vegan teacher to skip school

There are 200 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Sep 10, 2007, titled Vegan teacher to skip school. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

An art teacher removed from the classroom for encouraging pupils not to eat meat vowed Monday not to return to Fox River Grove Middle School until it eliminates milk and all other animal products from the lunch ...

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Nicole

Teaneck, NJ

#182 Sep 12, 2007
Gigi,

Of course I don't mean to suggest that everyone who is not vegetarian has food rotting in their colon. However, the typical American diet (meat-rich and vegetable-deficient) can cause intestinal clogging and increased food transit time through the digestive tract (constipation.). An increase in the fiber-rich plant foods we eat can help us avoid this problem, vegetarian or not.

As I mentioned in a following post, these were not my "factoids" in the first place- I was merely attempting to clarify what someone else had said. My goal is not to convert anybody to veganism, only to make people see that not all vegans are like Mr. Warwak, and that it is in fact a sustainable and healthy diet. Of course, there are unhealthy vegans just as there are unhealthy nonvegans- some people simply don't care for their health!

Regards,
Nicole
Maleficent

Milwaukee, WI

#183 Sep 12, 2007
Warwak,

I must say that if you are truly the real Mr. Warwak who was written about in this article, I had respect for you, for standing up for what you believe in, although I do not agree with your ideology nor your method of spreading the word about being a Vegan. Your posts are a series of rants that are truly frightening. Not because of the use of words in the wrong context, but because of the hysterical tone that they take. I respect Vegetarians and Vegans, although I am neither. You can choose to live any lifestyle you wish, however, you are a minority in your militant Vegan lifestyle. It is not for you to choose what I purchase in the grocery store or what I put on my table. You have only recently become a Vegan - previously you made different choices. Should you have been persecuted for those choices? I don't think so, just as I don't think you should persecute me for my choices. You spent over 40 years damaging the feeling beings and your own body. Please don't judge the rest of us.

Nicole, Thank you for your enlightening posts. Although a Vegan lifestyle is not likely in my future, it is nice to know that the lifestyle can be explained with intelligence and grace.
Disgusted FRG Mom

Cary, IL

#184 Sep 12, 2007
Everyone - The person posting as Warwak from Hebron, Il is actually copying those replies directly from Warwak's warped website (probably why they seem out of context). http://inslide.com/respect/index.php
I hate giving him any more publicity but at least the mystery poster here is letting you see the real zealot that we are dealing with here in FRG. And his website has ramblings that go on & on - sounding like a manifesto in places.

Nicole, you are an excellent advocate for veganism and I'm sorry that you have to deal with this because of Warwak's hijacking of your cause. In FRG we don't have a problem with his veganism or discussing it with those who ask about it.

To those of us that live in Fox River Grove, this has NOTHING to do with veganism or the food we serve our children - it has to do with Warwak using his captive audience at the school of 5th through 8th graders to preach his very opinionated views to an impressionable group of children. These children are 10 to 14 years old!

I will be at the next School Board meeting demanding that we honor his job abandonment because I'll be darned if we will also supplement his unemployment by firing him.
Leo

United States

#185 Sep 13, 2007
Ron wrote:
This guy's actions prove #4 on the list below. B12 comes only from animal sorces (even suppliments are made from animals)
It is important to recognize the 5 warning signs of B12 deficiency.
1. Stomach pain or digestive issues
2. Fatigue and weakness
3. Loss of sensation or tingling in lower extremities
4. Impaired cognitive function or dementia
5. Depression, irritability or moodiness
There is a high incidence of B12 deficiency in a few select groups. First, vegetarians or vegans who completely avoid animal based foods are at risk. Children who follow strict vegetarian diets absent of dairy products are particularly susceptible to low levels of the vitamin. Also, it is estimated that a high percentage of the elderly have some level of B12 deficiency. This is because as we age, our ability to extract and absorb B12 from food-based protein sources diminishes. Also, seniors are more likely to have digestive problems, a degraded stomach lining, or have gone through some form of gastro-intestinal surgery. This contributes to the possibility of deficiency among this population. Finally, large amounts of alcohol and caffeine have been shown to decrease the ability of the body to absorb the vitamin.
Good point, and informative, too.
I knew a teacher who was on the floor literally writhing in abdominal pains because of her diet.
With the best intentions, I hope that this guy slips on a carrot and falls face down on a hot dog.
Leo

United States

#186 Sep 13, 2007
Nicole wrote:
Gigi,
Of course I don't mean to suggest that everyone who is not vegetarian has food rotting in their colon. However, the typical American diet (meat-rich and vegetable-deficient) can cause intestinal clogging and increased food transit time through the digestive tract (constipation.). An increase in the fiber-rich plant foods we eat can help us avoid this problem, vegetarian or not.
As I mentioned in a following post, these were not my "factoids" in the first place- I was merely attempting to clarify what someone else had said. My goal is not to convert anybody to veganism, only to make people see that not all vegans are like Mr. Warwak, and that it is in fact a sustainable and healthy diet. Of course, there are unhealthy vegans just as there are unhealthy nonvegans- some people simply don't care for their health!
Regards,
Nicole
Stick to your guns, Nicole (figuratively speaking).

I try to be an angel, but when I fail I remember that God made me a omnivore. If I have food rotting in may colon, then it is just a gentle reminder that one day I in my entirety will be a worm feast.
The only thing I ask of God (humbly) is that next time He creates a universe he leaves out the mosquitos.
Nicole

Teaneck, NJ

#187 Sep 13, 2007
Leo,

I'd like to point out again (as I don't think I have on this page) that vegans can easily get Vitamin B12 from nutritional yeast (used in many vegan recipes), bacteria, and fortified foods with B12 from non-animal sources such as soymilk, ricemilk, and cereals. My boyfriend, sister and I have been vegan and supplement/vitamin free for many years with no ill effect.

Best Wishes,
Nicole
blah

Spartanburg, SC

#188 Sep 13, 2007
what a douchebag
Melanie

AOL

#189 Sep 14, 2007
I applaud this gentleman. Standing up for what is right and just is courageous. Let everyone read 'The China Study' by Colin T. Campbell and try arguing with the scientific data presented in this book that animals protein is extremely detrimental to our health. Why are our children not learning the truth?
Chandra Moon

Sacramento, CA

#190 Sep 14, 2007
When one first learns of the atrocities, well hidden from the public eye, involved in the production of animal foods, it is like an awakening. First one is sickened to the core, then saddened, then outraged. And energized to tell the rest of the unconscious public what one knows. I can well understand Warwak's motives for what he is doing. Unfortunaltey, the average person can't and sees the behavior as aberrant. Warwak is courageous but inexperienced as an activist. 5 years from now, he will find more effective ways of communicating, though he may also lose some of his outrage which is currently providing him with superhuman energy and courage.

In general, I completely agree that animal products are inhumane and unhealthy and that the truth is being withheld in favor of profit.
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#191 Sep 15, 2007
I hate hippies wrote:
This guy is a loser. Moron, fool, ass, are all good descriptions of this "teacher". He should be drug out into the street, forced to eat KFC with a glass of milk, then trampled by a herd of sheep. One less moron to worry about.


Okay that's a bit harsh.. I'd hate to see your ideas of punishment for child abusers!
:S
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#192 Sep 16, 2007
When I used to be a vegetarian in school, my teacher criticised my beleifs with a load of unnecessary arguments... basically as Nekoneko would quote, pushing her beliefs down my throat. I told people, of course but was their an uproar? Was she banished from the school? Did she have the mind of a suicide bomber? Fair enough if he started getting all grossness about the meat industry, but its just the same as if he was a meat eater picking on veggies or vegans!
Chroma wrangler

Lawrence, KS

#193 Sep 19, 2007
Fire the art teacher and hire another one who is committed to teaching art. It is evident that he is more passionate about food preferences than art.
David Robertson

Port Royal, SC

#194 Sep 19, 2007
Warwak wrote:
It should be a requirement for posters to first due a little research before spouting off such things. It only identifies you as unlearned. Do a search or 2 and READ (caps because ignorant people don't like to read) about "Factory Farming" and look up "Vegan" and then yes, I know how we hate to read, go to Wikipedia or where ever and type in "Humane Education" - then please, please, please, please do post
It's not your beliefs that most people take issue with, but the gross immaturity and self-righteousness you project as you abuse our public school system as a forum for your personal agenda. I don't care that you're a vegan. I don't care one bit about your opinion of the meat and dairy industries, whether you're factually correct or not. I don't care what benefits you might believe the vegan diet has over a normal diet. It's all entirely irrelevant.

What bothers me is that you openly abuse your teaching position as a forum to indoctrinate children into your belief system. You are an ART TEACHER.

Say it with me - "ART TEACHER".

I attended Pratt Institute in New York for Graphic Design & Art Ed, and my girlfriend is an Elementary Education major, therefore, I feel qualified to say that you, as an ART TEACHER, have neither the education nor professional qualifications to discuss diet and nutrition in the classroom, and you have no business WHATSOEVER assigning reading texts on ANY subject outside of your curriculum.

You, in your infinite elitist wisdom, have decided that what is good for you (in YOUR opinion) is good for all, and it is therefore your DUTY to force your beliefs on everyone else. How DARE you!! And you seek to abuse the criminal justice system to further your agenda, another outrage that is sure to drive all but the most radical fringe of society away from you, and is likely to cast a black cloud over vegans everywhere.

I sincerely hope that your teaching license is revoked for this little charade of yours, so that you may never infect young minds with taxpayer money again.

Excuse me while I go heat up some roast chicken and gravy for lunch. Then I'm going to eat some string cheese.
Dist 3 Mom

Chicago, IL

#195 Sep 19, 2007
Warwak wrote:
All alone in meat and dairy land, shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods, I tell you this. Hereditary ignorance is in simpler terms, brainwashing. Is it a simple case of closed-mindedness, coupled with a massive disconnect with the real world. One so powerful that it rules your conscience into believing that killing others, even your own children, is not a bad exchange for the dining on, of “lesser” beings – THE SCIENCE IS OUT – THE PARTY IS OVER. Oh yeah, blow-hards do not like to read. Sometimes we have to write in caps. I have proof on my web. All these ignorant blow-hards are just immature little minds that have no sense of priorities, hate real work, especially involving change. If you never change, it will remain broken, until someone yells loud enough how to fix it. I have several questions for you. What is it about Humane Education that you so fear? Why would you work so hard to resist such a beautiful thing? Furthermore, if you are against Humane Education, which side of Humanity does that place you? The more you bark and whine, the sillier you look, and it just illuminates the true nature of your being, that you are not a very nice person. Come join the Human race for the children. Oh,… that is right, you are the same blow-hards that have a clear solution to school shootings and war, to whine and complain and smear anyone who suggests a different way, instead of finding real world solutions for positive change. Who is the big baby now? Stop sucking on the Dairy Industries rhetoric and murderous legacy! WAKE UP! Doesn’t it bother anyone, the State of Illinois wants Humane Education, but they will never get it, because Public Education fears change even if it means doing their job?
Dave Warwak had taught my daughter "art" for 7 years in Dist 3. I was pleased to find that my younger 2 children would not have him and would actually have an art teacher that knew art. His paintings (even the ones you have to get permission to view on his website, yes that's right) are abstract just like his mind. He pressured his students to make their art look how he wanted it, they were not able to use their own creative mind. Does Controlling come to mind?? There isn't a parent I know in the district that likes the man and there were many other things we were concerned about. I hope to never have to speak with him or his inflated ego and that the Middle School does the right thing and gets rid of him once and for all. Could it be he's worried about being the first one sought after by a gun wielding student????
Chroma wrangler

Lawrence, KS

#196 Sep 20, 2007
It seems to me, the more I read from Mr. Warwak, he is more interested in being in the news and making a name for himself through activism instead of the art education of his students. His arrogance is appalling to me and apparently others as well. Give him his walking papers and hire a real art teacher that has the aesthetic education of the students at heart and will teach them the skills they need to communicate their own ideas to the surface. Art is something that naturally flows out of the soul of man and should not be forced to emmulate some one elses "style" or aesthetic values. Mr. Warwak may feel more comfortable teaching Home Economics in some commune rather than art in a public school.
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#197 Sep 20, 2007
Dist 3 Mom wrote:
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Dave Warwak had taught my daughter "art" for 7 years in Dist 3. I was pleased to find that my younger 2 children would not have him and would actually have an art teacher that knew art. His paintings (even the ones you have to get permission to view on his website, yes that's right) are abstract just like his mind. He pressured his students to make their art look how he wanted it, they were not able to use their own creative mind. Does Controlling come to mind?? There isn't a parent I know in the district that likes the man and there were many other things we were concerned about. I hope to never have to speak with him or his inflated ego and that the Middle School does the right thing and gets rid of him once and for all. Could it be he's worried about being the first one sought after by a gun wielding student????


The way in which he teaches his art class (if we exclude the vegan beleifs) has nothing to do with this issue. My English teacher would rather I focussed on my essay than use my creative mind to write poetry or stories. That doesn't make her a control freak which wss clearly the message your trying to put across.

However, I'll agree that trying to sue the school for selling milk is going to far and so is preaching when you should be teaching art. He could get permission to raise awareness of the dangers of meat-eating and encourage kids to atleast take steps to becoming a vegetarian without it being in the classroom.
Dist 3 Mom

Chicago, IL

#198 Sep 24, 2007
Heather wrote:
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The way in which he teaches his art class (if we exclude the vegan beleifs) has nothing to do with this issue. My English teacher would rather I focussed on my essay than use my creative mind to write poetry or stories. That doesn't make her a control freak which wss clearly the message your trying to put across.
However, I'll agree that trying to sue the school for selling milk is going to far and so is preaching when you should be teaching art. He could get permission to raise awareness of the dangers of meat-eating and encourage kids to atleast take steps to becoming a vegetarian without it being in the classroom.
The message I was trying to get across is that Mr. Warwak has issues and should have been ousted a long time ago. The unfortunate thing was that he was very good friends with our Middle School principle so no matter the complaints nothing ever seemed to happen. Luckily this was the icing on the cake and it would seem the "fishing buddies" are no longer. He had no right what so ever to start this in the school knowing what was going on with some of the girls that he was teaching last year. He should be ashamed of himself and until someone that has dealt with him for as long as I have can come on here and give me one good reason why he shouldn't ever teach again I would love to hear what they have to say.
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#199 Sep 24, 2007
Yeah I agree he does have some issues. There is no reasons why he can't influence people's decisions without doing it in the school.
By the way though..
Dist 3 Mom wrote:
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He had no right what so ever to start this in the school knowing what was going on with some of the girls that he was teaching last year.


I can't find this anywhere, did it actually happen, or is it a rumour? I'm not saying your a lier ^_^
Dist 3 Mom

Chicago, IL

#200 Sep 25, 2007
Heather wrote:
Yeah I agree he does have some issues. There is no reasons why he can't influence people's decisions without doing it in the school.
By the way though..
<quoted text>
I can't find this anywhere, did it actually happen, or is it a rumour? I'm not saying your a lier ^_^
I'm not sure what you mean but if you are asking about my comment in quotes, yes, there was already a problem with eating disorders and he was well aware of that.
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#201 Sep 25, 2007
Oh sorry I see what you mean. School children, particularly I understand are most likely to have these issues about what they eat we don't need it someone to give these children another reason to resent their food there are batter ways of promoting veganism without being so direct.

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