Is state tree for 'Christmas' or 'holiday'?

[OhPlease]

smurfz wrote:

<quoted text> How am i stripping your religious freedom? I just said that legally it makes since to call it holiday tree. I didn't say you have to call it holiday tree. you can still call it whatever you want I just mean't that I can understand why the state has to change it legally. No one is forcing you to call it a christmas tree but historically the christmas tree is actually not part of christanity. It was orginally called the Yule tree which was part of the old relgion it was just a carry over tradition of people in the same area who just tranfered it to christanity. look it up.

Never heard of a Yule Tree. Heard of the Yule Log...which is Nordic in origin. It does not make "sense" to me to call it a "holiday tree". What should they rename the Chanukah Bush then? holiday bush? LOL....You're a bit too fanatical. Tradition does not need to be changed to spare your feelings...nor your political (since your speaking legally) agenda.

[ariadiscordia]

Kat wrote:

CHRISTians DO INCLUDE EVERYONE when we say Merry Christmas. I think you're being a little unrealistic if you think I'm going to ask everyone what religion they are before I wish them a Merry CHRISTmas. SSSSShheeesh. Do something productive with your life already.

This doesn't have anything to do with saying Merry Christmas. It has to do with "Christmas" trees. SSSSShheeesh. Learn how to read already.

[OhPlease]

smurfz wrote:

<quoted text> How am i stripping your religious freedom? I just said that legally it makes since to call it holiday tree. I didn't say you have to call it holiday tree. you can still call it whatever you want I just mean't that I can understand why the state has to change it legally. No one is forcing you to call it a christmas tree but historically the christmas tree is actually not part of christanity. It was orginally called the Yule tree which was part of the old relgion it was just a carry over tradition of people in the same area who just tranfered it to christanity. look it up.

You also need to state more facts in your posts....old religion?? Are you referring to Paganism? Point being in the modern world every person recognizes the "Christmas Tree"....not holiday tree. What other modern religion decorates a tree as tradition? Christmas is a federal holiday. If other religious secs would like to be recognized...then that's a legislation problem. I know other religious groups would not be happy they must adopt a "holiday tree" as their symbol of recognition...especially if they aren't Christian. Have you really thought about this??

[smurfz]

OhPlease wrote:

<quoted text>Never heard of a Yule Tree. Heard of the Yule Log...which is Nordic in origin. It does not make "sense" to me to call it a "holiday tree". What should they rename the Chanukah Bush then? holiday bush? LOL....You're a bit too fanatical. Tradition does not need to be changed to spare your feelings...nor your political (since your speaking legally) agenda.

Actually i was refering to paganism which pre-dates christanity which is a religion. old religion is just a nickname for it. How in the world you not know what "yule" means? yule log or yule time carols jeez Don't they teach about other cultures and religion anymore. or least in history class look up the yule genocide in the early 1600's. i was just sayin that no one is forcing you to call it a holiday tree that its just political stress there getting from the capital. I say call it whatever you want thats all i was trying to say it just a play of words thats all it is. I don't understand why its such a big deal about it?

[Kat]

ariadiscordia wrote:

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This doesn't have anything to do with saying Merry Christmas. It has to do with "Christmas" trees. SSSSShheeesh. Learn how to read already.

Well then you need to practice your own preaching. The post I was responding too that you posted was talking about CHRISTians leaving other religions out. So SSSSShheeesh make up your mind.

[-yernogood]

OhPlease wrote:

<quoted text>I'm starting to believe they are quite self-centered. Their motto is "If I don't believe...No one should"....That in itself is very Anti-American. He/She only appreciates an existence that is self serving....if they weren't....they would have no problem embracing fellow Americans who were different from them.
Maybe they should also protest the American calendar...It was originally the Roman Catholic Calendar. Perhaps they will fight with historians next on the Anno Domini system. They have many battles ahead of them...LOL
By the way...I know it's early, but since we're on the subject..."Have a Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year".

Thank you and you too. No matter what I always have a great christmas.

[Touched by an angel]

Christmas tree, Christmas card, Christmas decorations, Christmas lights, Christmas candy, Christmas shopping, Christmas break, Christmas sweater, Christmas jewelry and the much discussed topic of the Christmas tree continues!

[OhPlease]

smurfz wrote:

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Actually i was refering to paganism which pre-dates christanity which is a religion. old religion is just a nickname for it. How in the world you not know what "yule" means? yule log or yule time carols jeez Don't they teach about other cultures and religion anymore. or least in history class look up the yule genocide in the early 1600's. i was just sayin that no one is forcing you to call it a holiday tree that its just political stress there getting from the capital. I say call it whatever you want thats all i was trying to say it just a play of words thats all it is. I don't understand why its such a big deal about it?

No kidding... we weren't taught in history class about the "yule tree" LOL... As a parent....I would demand a tax rebate on that one. However, I believe you are referring to the culture of Celtic, Nordic and Germanic people. Which indeed practiced Paganism. And yes, they worshipped many Gods, druids, fairies and leprechauns. However, it is 2009 and we live in America....it is a Christmas Tree. It's wonderful to embrace our past....but some of us have evolved into a more civilized culture than that of Druidism. I'm of Gaul descent....I know all about past rituals and sacrifices...many were of human sacrifice. They can keep the "old religion". It has no place in modern society.

[OhPlease]

smurfz wrote:

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Actually i was refering to paganism which pre-dates christanity which is a religion. old religion is just a nickname for it. How in the world you not know what "yule" means? yule log or yule time carols jeez Don't they teach about other cultures and religion anymore. or least in history class look up the yule genocide in the early 1600's. i was just sayin that no one is forcing you to call it a holiday tree that its just political stress there getting from the capital. I say call it whatever you want thats all i was trying to say it just a play of words thats all it is. I don't understand why its such a big deal about it?

Christians should not have to sacrifice their beliefs for political correctness. Non-Christians should not have to tolerate adopting a new symbol to honor their holiday. It is a right that is protected by the first amendment...and that IS a big deal. If the state wants to change the name of the Christmas Tree....than they shouldn't put one up at all. It's not only about the Christmas Tree....Just like a Menorah should not be called a "lighted candelabra" that is their symbol of Chanukah. There are other people (not only Christians) who believe this is unjust. And it is.

[OhPlease]

It's not about Christians thinking we are religiously correct...and that we are the ones who will be "saved". It isn't about what religion you choose to practice, but how you conduct yourself as a person of decency and morals. Touched by an angel explained this in their post. In the end.....that is where our legacy lies. However, there is no room for politics in our religious beliefs.

[-yernogood]

It's all about the gifts for me. I can't wait to see what I get this year under my christmas tree!!!

[-yernogood]

christmas is helping keep the retail stores in business and injecting much needed money into a very weak economy. Even people that hate it benefit from it. But hey piss and moan and whine to get rid of it, or move to I hate the world Island.

[Logical Thought]

OhPlease wrote:

It's not about Christians thinking we are religiously correct...and that we are the ones who will be "saved". It isn't about what religion you choose to practice, but how you conduct yourself as a person of decency and morals. Touched by an angel explained this in their post. In the end.....that is where our legacy lies. However, there is no room for politics in our religious beliefs.

As there is also no room for your religious beliefs in our politics...it's a stand off between those who think all should respect them and those who believe we are free from religious persecution and shouldn't be required to call anything by it's "religious name." Especially when said object was used by a religion older than Christianity to celebrate the same time of year.

[PFG]

OhPlease wrote:

<quoted text>You also need to state more facts in your posts....old religion?? Are you referring to Paganism? Point being in the modern world every person recognizes the "Christmas Tree"....not holiday tree. What other modern religion decorates a tree as tradition? Christmas is a federal holiday. If other religious secs would like to be recognized...then that's a legislation problem. I know other religious groups would not be happy they must adopt a "holiday tree" as their symbol of recognition...especially if they aren't Christian. Have you really thought about this??

Nobody has to "adopt" anything. Is it that hard to get your head around the difference between religious practice and state sponsorship of it?

[smurfz]

paganism doesn't use human sacirfice and back then it rare even then.paganism is still practice in the thousands today. Most pagans I know are pacifist. paganism is not even as barbaric as what the church did. Military torture device's history 101 the church hired many people to come up with new torture devices. I didn't say you have to sacrifce your tradition which is a stolen one. i said call it whatever you want. i just don't understand how it is even an issue? no one is forcing you to call it a holiday tree. you can still call it whatever you want. i didn't say you have to change you can still say merry christmas. all there is changing the name on a piece of paper. a piece of paper that all it is. it is not forcing you to change you can do whatever you want. So why are you complaining? No one is even forcing you to do anything.

[StupidPeople]

Logical Thought wrote:

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As there is also no room for your religious beliefs in our politics...it's a stand off between those who think all should respect them and those who believe we are free from religious persecution and shouldn't be required to call anything by it's "religious name." Especially when said object was used by a religion older than Christianity to celebrate the same time of year.

You obviously LACK reading comprehension skills. Read from the beginning.

[StupidPeople]

smurfz wrote:

paganism doesn't use human sacirfice and back then it rare even then.paganism is still practice in the thousands today. Most pagans I know are pacifist. paganism is not even as barbaric as what the church did. Military torture device's history 101 the church hired many people to come up with new torture devices. I didn't say you have to sacrifce your tradition which is a stolen one. i said call it whatever you want. i just don't understand how it is even an issue? no one is forcing you to call it a holiday tree. you can still call it whatever you want. i didn't say you have to change you can still say merry christmas. all there is changing the name on a piece of paper. a piece of paper that all it is. it is not forcing you to change you can do whatever you want. So why are you complaining? No one is even forcing you to do anything.

You mean Neopaganism and there is a difference.

[PFG]

OhPlease wrote:

<quoted text>Christians should not have to sacrifice their beliefs for political correctness.

They don't. Problem solved.

[PFG]

StupidPeople wrote:

<quoted text>You obviously LACK reading comprehension skills. Read from the beginning.

You should be more specific about what you think he's missed. I've read the thread from the beginning, and what he's saying makes perfect sense. Maybe you just don't understand it?

[smurfz]

StupidPeople wrote:

<quoted text>You mean Neopaganism and there is a difference.

i am aware of the difference but I wasn't talking about neo-paginism. which wasn't my point is that why are people complaining? no one is forcing you to call it holiday tree. there just changing the name on peice of paper. you can call it christmas tree you can still say merry christmas. i have family in many religions and im not christian and i say merry christmas. there just changing the name on a peice of paper What is the big deal? i don't understand the fuss about it that is what i mean't. christian no one is forcing you to do anything so why are you guys complaing? that is my real confusion i have.