Alamo Video Focus of Hearing Thursday

Alamo Video Focus of Hearing Thursday

There are 127 comments on the www.nwanews.com story from Jan 6, 2009, titled Alamo Video Focus of Hearing Thursday. In it, www.nwanews.com reports that:

ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2009

A judge has set a hearing for Thursday on the Arkansas Department of Human Service's request to have a video recording of an interview with a 16-year-old member of the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries removed from the Internet.

The recording was made at the Children's Advocacy Center in Texarkana, Texas, on Sept. 21, as part of an investigation into allegations that children in the ministry have been physically and sexually abused. In the interview, the girl, who is now in foster care, denies that she had ever been abused. Last month, the video was posted on the Google Video Web site by the operator of the Web site, FirstAmendmentRadio. com.

At the hearing, the Human Services Department will ask Miller County Circuit Judge Jim Hudson to order the girl's parents, Richard and Debra Ondrisek, to ask that the video be removed from the Internet. The department cites Arkansas Code 20-78-106, which requires that material compiled in children's advocacy centers for sexual-abuse investigations be kept confidential.

Debra Ondrisek has declined to say whether she provided the video to the Web site.

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Since: Nov 08

El Paso, TX

#101 Nov 16, 2012
Alamo knows what is being written here. His cronies read it to him over the phone. And you may say you're acting alone but everything you said stinks of a Tony Alamo influence. How would it benefit you to put private information about your children and yourself in a public forum like you did all the while stating you having nothing "bad" to say about Tony Alamo?

Don't feel sorry for me. I'm way of ahead of you when it comes to Alamo. You're the one who is obviously in some kind of denial aka "mental or spiritual prison". Not me. You need to come to grips with what happened and direct your anger in the right places. Which obviously you haven't if your exonerating Alamo while blaming people in here. Who cares what they said here. You should be concerned with who caused you to go through all that.
Debbie

Bryant, AR

#102 Nov 16, 2012
So you are actually just like the others. I don't feel obligated to answer you, anonymous one, and I detect that you are tending to get vicious as you all do sooner or later.
Truth is that you, et al, just can't accept that someone can leave the TACM and not hate Tony and the Christians there.

Since: Nov 08

El Paso, TX

#103 Nov 16, 2012
"Vicious"? I don't think one could be more vicious than yourself when you basically excused Tony Alamo right in the face of his many victims.

As far as comparing me to others who post here, maybe as far as knowing the truth about Alamo. But other than that I and they are very different from each other. And that's not a defensive statement, but simply a factual one. And one I am not ashamed of.

I'm not talking about hate. Those are your words. And they are used as a sidetracking device. Its not about "hate" but placing blame where it should be placed. Which you won't or can't or refuse to do.
Former Member

Paicines, CA

#104 Nov 17, 2012
I don't think most people intended to be vicious before during and after Tony's arrest and trial.Most were just trying to save and protect the kids who were innocent victims of violence and sexual abuse in his organization.Also,no problem accepting that some people leave Tony's organization and don't express ill will towards him or its' members.Scores of former members remain terrified to speak out even decades after leaving.The mental scars can run deeply in many cases.

Since: Nov 08

El Paso, TX

#105 Nov 17, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Very sadly, Richard was once an intelligent, friendly, likable, engaging, caring, gregarious and harmless gentle man. Now, he is a beaten and broken man.
One of the last times I spoke with Richard, we were talking about the Lord. He had just been subject to a public and extremely hurtful verbal beating by Tony Alamo. As we talked he broke down in tears. Not because of his rebuke, but because he was emotionally and spiritually attached to the Lord. His wife Debbie, who is now lashing out in this forum, was an extremely soft-spoken spiritual person and was a pleasure to listen to every time she spoke over the pulpit. I really only wish the best for them. And I hope that those good things I remember about them increasingly shine through to the world. I know how the worst can be brought out of a person under certain circumstances. And so I still somewhat sympathize with them in a way. Life goes on. And lessons will be learned sooner or later. That is what life is all about. And no one need boast over another in self-righteous pride. We are all walking through this life and learning as we go. And my heart will continue to reach out to former and current Alamo ministry members. A profound group of individuals they are. Each with their own real life story. And more than Alamo would ever admit. It was them that attracted me to Alamo Ministries and kept me there for as long as I did. More so than Tony Alamo himself. And so that says something in my mind. There was something sincere about many of them. Something real. More real than many others I have met in life. I thought in the past that they really were a special ministry of Christians. But the lines were truly drawn through the revelation of Tony Alamo's activities. And those who continued supporting him put themselves in a place where I could no longer easily express sympathy. I myself felt betrayed in so many ways. And yet its hard to talk about because compared to others I consider what I suffered to be less than nothing. But my true sympathy lies with those who were hurt by Alamo. Whether they ask for it or not. That is my choosing. And if I had to choose between Alamo sympathizers and Alamo's victims I easily choose the victims. Although Alamo supporters are victims as well whether they realize it or not.

And so people express themselves here in different ways. And anger toward Alamo is healthy in my opinion. There is a reason to be angry at him. I don't blame them for feeling that way. And so when people come on here and begin badgering supporters of the victims be prepared for some verbal retribution. Think outside yourselves if you can and put yourself in other people's shoes. And think before you speak. Debbie you sound like an extremely bitter person. I understand why but I also understand you are misdirecting your anger. You talk about viciousness? Read your words again here. Is that what Christ expects from His followers or does He state that we are to love our enemies. And that vengeance is the Lords. Seems like you don't believe that verse and you don't have the patience to wait for the Lord to act. Or maybe He isn't reacting for a reason. Did you ever think of that? Is that why you are so bitter? Are you actually bitter against God? That is what it seems like to me. That you know God isn't going to act against your enemies and that drives you to lash out here. "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" 2 Corinthians 13:5

I believe Alamo really taught against faith in God. By his actions and reactions. I hope that Alamo ministry victims understand this and go back to the faith they had and the love they had in and through the Lord, their personal God and Savior.
Former Member

Paicines, CA

#106 Nov 17, 2012
I was saved long before I ever heard of the Alamo's,they never led me to the Lord.The sincerity and realness of the Congregation is what held me there too.The Congregation is still around for the most part.I hope something profound will rise from the ashes.
Insight

Paramount, CA

#107 Nov 17, 2012
Very interesting exchange. I am not totally sure who Debbie is. Correct me if I am wrong but, she stated she still supports Tony Alamo. The pattern seems the same with the current members or Alamo supporters. They say they support Alamo but, don't usually say why. When asked about Tony's evil behavior, they will attack the people that asked. Apparently the charges against Tony Alamo were proven true in a court of law, Tony's wife Sharon testified that Tony did indeed commit the acts he was accused of. Debbie, did you read any of the court transcript? If you haven't, you should. When you read it you will understand the current members testified to Tony's detriment. I know you were told the outsiders were lying about Tony. Not the case. The insiders (current members) were the ones that helped get Tony convicted of the crimes committed. Why do you think members like yourself were not allowed in the courtroom? Read over the court transcript and post your comments.

If you scroll down after clicking on this link you can read some of the testimony. If you can't, I will be glad to cut and paste some:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fouke-ar/TR91...
Insight

Paramount, CA

#108 Nov 17, 2012
Just a quick interesting segment of the transcript:

Q Is it your testimony that Lizzy Mercado was an office staff member?
A She helped, yes, she did help in the office.
Q What kind of things did she do in the office?
A She helped with answering the phone and taking care of the day-to-day business with messages for Tony, faxes, helping on checking tracks, literature, checking footnotes. She helped, I think, take care of children and-
Q So is it your testimony that at the time Lizzy Marcado was an office worker and lived in the defendant’s house, she also had a child with the defendant?
A Yes.
Q Is that true?
A Yes
Insight

Paramount, CA

#109 Nov 17, 2012
Back to the transcript:

Q Isn’t it true, Ms. Alamo, that you were married to the defendant in 1989; is that correct?
A We got together in 1989.
Q You moved into the defendant’s residence in Fort Smith, Arkansas; isn’t that correct?
A At a later date, yes.
Q And isn’t it also true that in 1993, Lydia Willis moved into the defendant’s residence; isn’t that correct?
A She was already living there.
Q And isn’t it true that shortly thereafter she and the defendant had a child together; isn’t that also true.
A Yes.

“WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?”

Since: Mar 08

Any town

#110 Nov 22, 2012
Hmmm, No takers on those posts. Debbie, I don't recall seeing anything you wrote that had any reference to God or Jesus. However you did talk about Tony Alamo. You need to understand your priorities might not be in order. People need to understand just because they fell on their knees and worshiped Tony Alamo doesn't get them to heaven. You need to know God not Tony. The facts from the court case did prove Tony guilty. As you can see the facts came from trusted and highly regarded current foundation members. Basically the current members played a major role in sending Tony Alamo to prison. The facts are all there. I believe you need to switch your loyalties from Tony Alamo to Jesus.
smokin

United States

#111 Dec 12, 2012
I'd bet it's actually kind of nice not having Tony around....
Modesto

Paicines, CA

#112 Dec 15, 2012
I'd take that bet too!!I always hated being around either of the Alamo's but felt terribly guilty about that.I do know that,when I was there at least,loyalty to the Alamo's was considered a duty from God and thus an indispensable expression of loyalty to Jesus.Now that Tony has been shown to have violated nearly all the "commandments of God" he and Susan preached so hard about,the current members ought to realize they are now free from any obligation or loyalty to Tony,that loyalty to Jesus has nothing at all to do with their relationship to Tony.Nothing but the Blood of Jesus will save them or Tony.
Yahoo Les Wood

Orlando, FL

#113 Dec 15, 2012
Leslie Wood
I am giving you folks in the church a Message from God !
If you had been out preaching Jesus Christ and His true doctrine,,which so many of you know,,,and not trying to justify a man living for his liberties instead,,living for God alone,,,this would have never happened,That is straight from God to you tony and church,that is as direct word from God,,and the next time you see me,,you will have to justify your actions,tony is not one of the witness,,and the next time you see me,,,you will know he is not,,I want you to know this everywhere,,I want every church that you have to know this,,I call now in the Name of God,to witness between you and all that are in and out of the church,,,you have this incident on your hands !!!!

Those killed at the school were 12 girls, eight boys and six female adults. They are listed below by name, date of birth (mm/dd/yy), gender and age.

CHILDREN

Charlotte Bacon, 2/22/06, female (age 6)

Daniel Barden, 9/25/05, male (age 7)

Olivia Engel, 7/18/06, female (age 6)

Josephine Gay, 12/11/05, female (age 7)

Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 04/04/06, female (age 6)

Dylan Hockley, 03/08/06, male (age 6)

Madeleine F. Hsu, 07/10/06, female (age 6)

Catherine V. Hubbard, 06/08/06, female (age 6)

Chase Kowalski, 10/31/05, male (age 7)

Jesse Lewis, 06/30/06, male (age 6)

James Mattioli, 03/22/06, male (age 6)

Grace McDonnell, 11/04/05, female (age 7)

Emilie Parker, 05/12/06, female (age 6)

Jack Pinto, 05/06/06, male (age 6)

Noah Pozner, 11/20/06, male (age 6)

Caroline Previdi, 09/07/06, female (age 6)

Jessica Rekos, 05/10/06, female (age 6)

Avielle Richman, 10/17/06, female (age 6)

Benjamin Wheeler, 9/12/06, male (age 6)

Allison N. Wyatt, 07/03/06, female (age 6)

ADULTS

Rachel Davino, 7/17/83, female (age 29)

Dawn Hocksprung, 06/28/65, female (age 47)

Anne Marie Murphy, 07/25/60, female (age 52)

Lauren Russeau, 1982, female (age 29)

Mary Sherlach, 02/11/56, female (age 56)

Victoria Soto, 11/04/85, female (age 27)
biskitshoes

Okotoks, Canada

#114 Dec 15, 2012
Les, your egocentric and maniacal delusions have nothing to do with this unspeakable tragedy. Show some class for once ... and get help for your problem.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#115 Jan 14, 2013
Modesto wrote:
I'd take that bet too!!I always hated being around either of the Alamo's but felt terribly guilty about that.I do know that,when I was there at least,loyalty to the Alamo's was considered a duty from God and thus an indispensable expression of loyalty to Jesus.Now that Tony has been shown to have violated nearly all the "commandments of God" he and Susan preached so hard about,the current members ought to realize they are now free from any obligation or loyalty to Tony,that loyalty to Jesus has nothing at all to do with their relationship to Tony.Nothing but the Blood of Jesus will save them or Tony.
Oh where oh where is Debbie and Richard? Have they crawled back to the other side again?
brother d

Lilburn, GA

#116 Jan 14, 2013
I can't believe that Richard would have remained in that trap even after it became so very evident that the place was a ruse, and that 'Tony' was nothing but a common criminal. I thought he was a decent, upstanding guy who had more courage than what he's shown.
razzor09

Torrance, CA

#117 Jan 14, 2013
I agree but after what Debbie posted that rhetoric it kind of seems like she was going for some points/grace to get back into that place.
Insight

Los Angeles, CA

#118 Jan 14, 2013
The current members probably have a multiplicity of reasons why they still remain at the alamo place. I think one of the big ones is they have a very hard time admitting to themselves they were lied to and fell for it. Until they come to grips with that, they are still bound to the alamo group and all the lies generated by mister alamo.
Modesto

Chino, CA

#119 Jan 15, 2013
They are sort of throwing good money after bad.
brother d

Lilburn, GA

#120 Jan 15, 2013
The alamos remind me of abused women, defending their no good husbands through their black eyes and swollen lips.

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