Government Run Healthcare

[Uncle Bud]

Do you really think the Government is going to give you FREE insurance if they pass this Universal Healthcare bill?? Well this maybe true for a handful, but for the rest of us, you will be forced to BUY insurance. EVEN IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT!

One part of the bill states that if you are not in compliance by BUYING insurance, it is punishable with up to a $250,000.00 fine and 5 years in prison. Now that is stiff punishment for not being able to get insurance.

I personally do not have health insurance. I looked into a policy, but I got turned down. I found a policy through Blue Cross that was going to run about $90.00 a month. It had a very high deductible,($5,000), but it did have reasonable co-pay for DR visits. But like I said, I was turned down.

So I should be for this government healthcare bill, but I’m not. I DO FEEL that their should be reform in our healthcare system, and mainly in our insurance system. I feel this bill is full of red tape, over spending, and will make the quality of healthcare suffer in America. There are models of the universal healthcare system being used by various countries around the world, and not working, so what gives our politicians the audacity to think they can get it right!

And those of you who have piled up medical bills, thinking that if this bill is enacted, the government will pay your outstanding medical debt, all I can say is NO WAY. There is no way they can be that retro-active, the cost would be staggering on top of an already inflated grief that this bill will give our country‘s budget.

[concerened]

I hear you. I am one of those people who has a stack of medical bills. Not for myself but a family member. We have these even with health insurance. And if we were to become unimployed could not aford any ins. due to pre-exsisting conditions. I agree we need change but am afraid that this is not enough.

What do poeple do if pre-exsisting does not credit dissability. Yes you can work. But without better health care you can never get out from under medical bills.Any ideas?

[Agreed]

It isnt enough. People were cowards and caved to special interest like they always do. There should be universal healthcare for all. Lets protect life of all ages.

[Uncle Bud]

Agreed wrote:

It isnt enough. People were cowards and caved to special interest like they always do. There should be universal healthcare for all. Lets protect life of all ages.

How can Universal Healthcare protect life of all ages?
Here is an excerpt from an LA Times article.
“Simply saying that people have health insurance is meaningless. Many countries provide universal insurance but deny critical procedures to patients who need them. Britain's Department of Health reported in 2006 that at any given time, nearly 900,000 Britons are waiting for admission to National Health Service hospitals, and shortages force the cancellation of more than 50,000 operations each year.
In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks, and the average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than a year. Many of these individuals suffer chronic pain, and judging by the numbers, some will probably die awaiting treatment.”
These are countries who have had socialized medical system in place for years. IT'S NOT WORKING THERE, SO WHY WOULD IT WORK IN THE USA?
Sorry, but Universal Healthcare WILL NOT protect life of all ages.
No, in the Universal Healthcare system, it's the survival of the fittest on the shortest waiting list!

[agreed]

im pretty medicare and medicade do a pretty good job providing care to people. seriously, you dont like government running stuff then... stop using the roads... stop going to parks... avoid the library... just because you hate government, dont make the rest of us suffer.

I agree that there are shortages in the work force in places with socialised medicine... but thats because doctors cant make outrageous saleries in those countrys. so yes, all the greedy doctors do tend to come to the united states.

If you want an example of good care, you should probably look to france.

i dont think any large healthcare plan is fiscally sound , because sick people cost money...
but by God if we can spend money to blow people up half a world away (and apparently for nothing in the case of Iraq) then we can surely to God add to the bill the health and safety of our own citizens.

[Uncle Bud]

agreed wrote:

im pretty medicare and medicade do a pretty good job providing care to people. seriously, you dont like government running stuff then... stop using the roads... stop going to parks... avoid the library... just because you hate government, dont make the rest of us suffer.
I agree that there are shortages in the work force in places with socialised medicine... but thats because doctors cant make outrageous saleries in those countrys. so yes, all the greedy doctors do tend to come to the united states.
If you want an example of good care, you should probably look to france.
i dont think any large healthcare plan is fiscally sound , because sick people cost money...
but by God if we can spend money to blow people up half a world away (and apparently for nothing in the case of Iraq) then we can surely to God add to the bill the health and safety of our own citizens.

Just because I don't agree with Universal Healthcare does not mean I hate our government. For you to say that is pure ignorance. It’s every Americans right to voice an opinion when they think the Government is out of line. There is a time and place for Federal Government intervention, but to force Universal Healthcare down our throats, I think not.

If you look at your history books I think you will find that one of the main functions of the Federal Government is to defend our country and to try and keep America safe. Maybe that’s whats going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. Trying to deter those who want to harm us. TRYING TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE.
But I don’t want to change this discussion in a Pro/Con War topic. So let’s get back to Universal Healthcare.

I do think we have too much Federal Government involvement with our lives. Universal Healthcare is just another example. Healthcare is easily in issue that can be dealt with on a state level. And as far as that goes, most issue can be dealt with on a state level. Isn’t Kentucky's K-Chip a subsidized healthcare program? It seems to work fine. All we need is a type of program like that for adults.

Our founding Fathers set up this country for each state to take care of their own. But somewhere the Fed Gov took over much of the 50 state’s sovereignty.

[Uncle Bud]

agreed wrote:

im pretty medicare and medicade do a pretty good job providing care to people. seriously, you dont like government running stuff then... stop using the roads... stop going to parks... avoid the library... just because you hate government, dont make the rest of us suffer.
I agree that there are shortages in the work force in places with socialised medicine... but thats because doctors cant make outrageous saleries in those countrys. so yes, all the greedy doctors do tend to come to the united states.
If you want an example of good care, you should probably look to france.
i dont think any large healthcare plan is fiscally sound , because sick people cost money...
but by God if we can spend money to blow people up half a world away (and apparently for nothing in the case of Iraq) then we can surely to God add to the bill the health and safety of our own citizens.

Oh by the way, I forgot one thing.

You list France as a good example of how Universal Healthcare works. Maybe you should take a look at the August 7th, 2009 edition of the Wall Street Journal. France's healthcare system in in all kids of trouble. HIGH COST to name a few.

If you don't believe me then take a look by following this link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1249580492415...

You may have to cut and paste it into your browser.

But take a look at it, then give me your opinion again about France's Healthcare.
Touché!!

[Colonel Angus]

like i said, BESIDES THE FISCAL BURDEN. maybe you should try a little reading comprehention. yeah, lets not talk about the reason that we are so far into debt in this country, that doesnt matter because the people in control of the country had an R by their names. you just showed your colours buddy. you dont REALLY care about our debt or how much things costs, youre just another political ideologue.

dont like france as an example? how about japan where the government sets fixed prices on proceedures so people cant be charged excessively? in japan its impossible to go bankrupt from medical costs.

the average nite in a hospital is 10 dollars, if you want a private room around 80-90 dollars. got a cut thats less than 6 inches that needs sowed up ? try about 4.50$.

p.s. iraq had nothing to do with keeping us safe. stop defending a war that cost of billions of dollars and resulted in nothing but removing a bad man from power(who we had put there to begin with).

[Uncle Bud]

Colonel Angus wrote:

like i said, BESIDES THE FISCAL BURDEN. maybe you should try a little reading comprehention. yeah, lets not talk about the reason that we are so far into debt in this country, that doesnt matter because the people in control of the country had an R by their names. you just showed your colours buddy. you dont REALLY care about our debt or how much things costs, youre just another political ideologue.
dont like france as an example? how about japan where the government sets fixed prices on proceedures so people cant be charged excessively? in japan its impossible to go bankrupt from medical costs.
the average nite in a hospital is 10 dollars, if you want a private room around 80-90 dollars. got a cut thats less than 6 inches that needs sowed up ? try about 4.50$.
p.s. iraq had nothing to do with keeping us safe. stop defending a war that cost of billions of dollars and resulted in nothing but removing a bad man from power(who we had put there to begin with).

First off, I don’t consider myself an R or a D, I have always voted for the person.
And I’m not against some kind of Healthcare reform. Like I have said in an earlier posting, I HAVE NO INSURANCE. I got turned down! I would like to have the piece of mind that it can bring, knowing if I had an emergency, I might not have to go into debt up to my butt.

You give Japan’s healthcare system as an example. Yes, they do have low cost healthcare. But it is not without its drawbacks either. Did you know that many health-care economists say Japan's low-cost system is probably not sustainable without significant change? Without reform, costs are projected to double, reaching current U.S. levels in a decade, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

To keep costs down, Japan has made tradeoffs in other areas -- sometimes to the detriment of patients. Some are merely irritating, such as routine hour-long waits before doctor appointments. But others involve worrisome questions about quality control and gaps in treatment for urgent care.

These are points made in a Washington Post article published Sept. 7th, 2008.
Don’t believe me, check it out. And there is more info there too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Sorry to squash your argument, but looks like Japan is not perfect either!
Bonsai!!!

[Sue C]

I like it!! People need help ask a few in brooksville

[Old Soldier]

If George Bush had not sent trillions of dollars to Iraq, where the money was not accounted for & no one knew where it went ( most of it came back to certain people in his administration), our country would not be in the situation we now find ourselves in. Health care would not be an issue & our country would be solvent. Notice what a low profile Georgie is keeping? Could it possibly be guilt?????