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IN Property Tax Cap Amendment, Public Question 1

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Dale

Charlotte, NC

#149 Oct 25, 2010
What about the 47% of Americans that don't pay taxes? They receive the same benefits as I but pay no income taxes.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#150 Oct 25, 2010
Dale wrote:
What about the 47% of Americans that don't pay taxes? They receive the same benefits as I but pay no income taxes.
I bet the receive MORE!
Didie

Celina, OH

#151 Oct 26, 2010
I need more info on this before I vote.

Anyone who is planning to vote next Tues. should 'know' before they vote on any candidate or issue. Stop listening to the bias of the mainstream news and the bashing ads and research what these candidates stand for.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#152 Oct 26, 2010
Didie wrote:
I need more info on this before I vote.
Anyone who is planning to vote next Tues. should 'know' before they vote on any candidate or issue. Stop listening to the bias of the mainstream news and the bashing ads and research what these candidates stand for.
What's to know?

If the cap is defeated they can raise the tax rate no more than 1% and they can raise your assessed valuation to whtaever they want.

If the cap is passed, they can continue to increase assessed valuation to whatever they want BUT your tax rate can't go up more than 1%.

With the cap YOU the homeowner has control over half the problem.

Without the cap, you have no control at all (other than the possibility of appealling your assessment).

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#153 Oct 26, 2010
Oops, "If the cap is defeated they can raise the tax rate to whatever they want"...
Chairman

Dayton, OH

#154 Oct 26, 2010
Dale wrote:
What about the 47% of Americans that don't pay taxes? They receive the same benefits as I but pay no income taxes.
Where did you pull that figure from, your dark anal recesses.
Gas, sales, property, boat, RV's, inventory, dinning, oh hell they must have died right, oh no death taxes too!!
BOOGER

Connersville, IN

#157 Oct 26, 2010
Chairman wrote:
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Where did you pull that figure from, your dark anal recesses.
Gas, sales, property, boat, RV's, inventory, dinning, oh hell they must have died right, oh no death taxes too!!
(CBS) On April 15, don't be surprised if the line at your local post office is a bit shorter than usual. That's because your neighbors may not be paying any income taxes this year.
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million
"You've got a larger and larger share of people paying less and less for the services provided by the federal government," says Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "The concern is that the majority can say,'Let's have more benefits, spend more,' if they're not paying for it. It's 'free.' That's not a good thing to have
"There's no difference at all in terms of the effects on the federal deficit," says Williams of the Tax Policy Center. "It's perfectly equivalent. It's just easier to say,'I cut your taxes' as opposed to 'I created a new federal program to send money to people.'"
I'm talking here about federal income taxes, not other taxes like Social Security, Medicare, state income taxes, sales taxes, or car registration taxes, some of which are extracted through payroll deductions. The owe-no-money crowd tends to get hit by at least some of those.
The perils of today's situation should be obvious. The United States is close to a tipping point - where most people can skip the post office run on April 15 to mail a check because they're expecting one from the government instead.
"It is somewhat odd that you have a decreasing number of folks paying into the federal income tax system, a decreasing number of folks who have a stake in what the government pays for," says Matt Moon of the non-partisan Tax Foundation in Washington, D.C.
It then becomes tempting to vote for politicians promising more and more handouts, paid for by money forcibly extracted from an ever-shrinking number of their neighbors. In addition to being immoral, it's poor public policy: people who pay no taxes but nevertheless get benefits are less likely to be careful overseers of their elected representatives.
"At some point people become less and less invested in making sure their government is accountable and frugal," says Peter Sepp, vice president for policy and communications at the National Taxpayers Union, a lower-tax advocacy group. "If you pay very little for getting all kinds of government benefits, you might view those programs as a bargain, even though they may waste tens of billions of dollars a year."
As a candidate, President Obama promised still more tax credits, including ones aimed at child care, "clean cars," and savings accounts. As the Wall Street Journal explained at the time: "You can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer - a federal check - from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this 'welfare,' or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a 'Demogrant.'"
A recession, the stimulus, and innumerable bailouts have placed Mr. Obama's plans on hold. But the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at midnight on December 31, 2010 will renew interest in a tax law rewrite.
That will be an opportunity to gut the current system and replace it with something simpler and fairer. After all, if government is important enough to force most of us to work until April 13 to pay its bills, why shouldn't everyone share the pain?
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BOOGER

Connersville, IN

#158 Oct 26, 2010
Chairman wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you pull that figure from, your dark anal recesses.
Gas, sales, property, boat, RV's, inventory, dinning, oh hell they must have died right, oh no death taxes too!!
(CBS) On April 15, don't be surprised if the line at your local post office is a bit shorter than usual. That's because your neighbors may not be paying any income taxes this year.

An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.

Those numbers come from an analysis published yesterday by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution. Neither is a low-tax or conservative advocacy group; the Urban Institute was created under the Johnson administration during the Great Society era, and it receives most of its funding from the federal government.

But then politicians began another round of tinkering with the tax code, adding reams of new pages to an already incomprehensible set of rules that even the guy overseeing the IRS can't seem to figure out

As a candidate, President Obama promised still more tax credits, including ones aimed at child care, "clean cars," and savings accounts. As the Wall Street Journal explained at the time: "You can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer - a federal check - from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this 'welfare,' or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a 'Demogrant.'"

A recession, the stimulus, and innumerable bailouts have placed Mr. Obama's plans on hold. But the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at midnight on December 31, 2010 will renew interest in a tax law rewrite.

That will be an opportunity to gut the current system and replace it with something simpler and fairer. After all, if government is important enough to force most of us to work until April 13 to pay its bills, why shouldn't everyone share the pain?

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yes

Connersville, IN

#159 Oct 26, 2010
i dont agree with it!
Didie

Celina, OH

#160 Oct 26, 2010
Uh Clem wrote:
<quoted text>
What's to know?
If the cap is defeated they can raise the tax rate no more than 1% and they can raise your assessed valuation to whtaever they want.
If the cap is passed, they can continue to increase assessed valuation to whatever they want BUT your tax rate can't go up more than 1%.
With the cap YOU the homeowner has control over half the problem.
Without the cap, you have no control at all (other than the possibility of appealling your assessment).
Thanks foe clarifying this.
Didie

Celina, OH

#161 Oct 26, 2010
Chairman wrote:
http://farm.ewg.org/top_recips .php?fips=18135&progcode=t otal&regionname=RandolphCo unty,Indiana
Sick of the rich, well here is how the rich farmers get tax payer welfare and nobody ever complains about this handout.
Millions to the top 20 farmers in Randolph Co. for what?
Whats really sad about this is that the Govt. must first take the money from someone else to give it to the recipient. ANd how many beaurocrats hands does it pass through, and what percentage is left. WELFARE had become the new paycheck....
Just Asking

United States

#163 Oct 27, 2010
Uh Clem wrote:
<quoted text>
What's to know?
If the cap is defeated they can raise the tax rate no more than 1% and they can raise your assessed valuation to whtaever they want.
If the cap is passed, they can continue to increase assessed valuation to whatever they want BUT your tax rate can't go up more than 1%.
With the cap YOU the homeowner has control over half the problem.
Without the cap, you have no control at all (other than the possibility of appealling your assessment).
The assessor cannot raise your assessment to anything they want. Assessments are figured each year by a method called trending. They compare sales in the area of the subject property. To determine what the assessment will be on every property in the county. They go back a couple of years to get the comparable sales. That is why the assessments have went down in the last year or so. Yes it's true when the assessments go up so does your property taxes. But,they can only charge you the maximum 1% of the assessed value. There were homeowners in town paying $5,000-$6,000 a year on houses valued in the $200,000 range. Landlords and businesses were paying a ridiculous amount of taxes on their properties. I don't have a big fancy house. However, I'd rather pay 1% of the assessed value of my home yearly. Than take the chance of my property taxes going through the roof.
Just Asking

United States

#164 Oct 27, 2010
Chairman wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you pull that figure from, your dark anal recesses.
Gas, sales, property, boat, RV's, inventory, dinning, oh hell they must have died right, oh no death taxes too!!
The figure may be a little high but it's all over the news every year. Lots of people pay no income taxes. It's left to the rest of us to take care of! Get your facts straight before you comment and call names!
Logical Larry

Sun Prairie, WI

#165 Oct 27, 2010
I 'spose it's ok to mend a cap, but ain't it improper to wear a hat durin' such proceedin's?

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#166 Oct 28, 2010
Just Asking wrote:
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The assessor cannot raise your assessment to anything they want. Assessments are figured each year by a method called trending. They compare sales in the area of the subject property. To determine what the assessment will be on every property in the county. They go back a couple of years to get the comparable sales. That is why the assessments have went down in the last year or so. Yes it's true when the assessments go up so does your property taxes. But,they can only charge you the maximum 1% of the assessed value. There were homeowners in town paying $5,000-$6,000 a year on houses valued in the $200,000 range. Landlords and businesses were paying a ridiculous amount of taxes on their properties. I don't have a big fancy house. However, I'd rather pay 1% of the assessed value of my home yearly. Than take the chance of my property taxes going through the roof.
Ah, yes,'trending.' That magical excercise where somebody simply guesses your assessed value like a weight-guesser at the carnival, using data gathered by other somebodies making still more guesses how much your property value went up.

It's actually several 'whatever we want' scenarios in one.
ohhhh

Franksville, WI

#167 Oct 28, 2010
Just Asking wrote:
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The assessor cannot raise your assessment to anything they want. Assessments are figured each year by a method called trending.
According to the Vigo county assessor for my area for the 2009 year houses values trended up 7%(at least in my area). In reality, markets indicated an average decrease in values in Indiana between 2.5% and 4% each year over the last 4 years. This would indicate that yes they can increase your assessed value by whatever they want.

They call it a technical assessment, I call it a money grab. BTW my taxes went up about $400 with the tax cap in place simply due to increased assessment. The cap will not do anything when the assessors, who work for the county, can raise the values at will.
Proptaxesunfair

Connersville, IN

#168 Oct 28, 2010
trump wrote:
<quoted text>
Very good point! Eliminate property taxes all together, go to a higher sales tax, then all the deadbeats and illegals can pay their fair share. If we can get everybody in the game then those that just "take" might not have their hand out so much and waste might not be as big of an issue. It's easy to spend other peoples money friviously.
Agreed!
D in Terre Haute

Rolling Meadows, IL

#169 Oct 28, 2010
This is absurd.
Giving the voters the apparent chance to vote themselves circuses.

The dismal level of funding for schools, libraries, and public safety is a deterrent to REAL economic growth.
The companies Indiana should be attracting (high tech/high salary) want and need a well educated workforce, good law enforcement, and tax funding that is equitable and realistic.
Everyone seems to forget the sales tax increase that Daniels and the state had to implement to offset the decrease in property tax income. This will continue.
The only group that gained in this debacle was the Governor's office, NOT the taxpayers!
States with the highest sales tax are: California (8.75%), Indiana (7%), Mississippi (7%), New Jersey (7%), Rhode Island (7%), Tennessee (7%), Minnesota (6.875%), Nevada (6.85%), Washington (6.5%), Texas and Illinois (6.25%).
You haven't seen anything yet if this gets into the constitution.

Voters and taxpayers, wake up.

What we needed in Indiana was a professional group of assessors, not the local clowns who couldn't find their butts with both hands.
zDawg

Chicago, IL

#172 Oct 28, 2010
Watch this You Tube video on Congressperson Andre Carson supporting the murderer of a 13-year old girl and a 17-year old boy.

You Tube:
travis

United States

#173 Oct 29, 2010
D in Terre Haute wrote:
This is absurd.
Giving the voters the apparent chance to vote themselves circuses.
The dismal level of funding for schools, libraries, and public safety is a deterrent to REAL economic growth.
The companies Indiana should be attracting (high tech/high salary) want and need a well educated workforce, good law enforcement, and tax funding that is equitable and realistic.
Everyone seems to forget the sales tax increase that Daniels and the state had to implement to offset the decrease in property tax income. This will continue.
The only group that gained in this debacle was the Governor's office, NOT the taxpayers!
States with the highest sales tax are: California (8.75%), Indiana (7%), Mississippi (7%), New Jersey (7%), Rhode Island (7%), Tennessee (7%), Minnesota (6.875%), Nevada (6.85%), Washington (6.5%), Texas and Illinois (6.25%).
You haven't seen anything yet if this gets into the constitution.
Voters and taxpayers, wake up.
What we needed in Indiana was a professional group of assessors, not the local clowns who couldn't find their butts with both hands.
and if ya look a little deeper, 4 of those 7 states you named have NO state income tax to go along with the sales tax. Hoosiers are getting SCREWED by our state government. I say vote in the canadate that most likely push for government acountablity. as far as the the cap, how many on here are aware that there is ALREADY a 2% "circuit breaker program" on property tax in indiana?
A circuit breaker program is aimed at helping residents by ensuring they don't pay more than 2% of their property value in taxes. The goal is to provide predictability in tax bills and equity among Hoosier taxpayers. It became mandatory statewide for residential property in 2007 and expanded to include all property types in 2009

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